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Monaro Pioneers Newsletter


2013 Number 1


January 10, 2013


Hi Folks,


The database passed 300,000 names today as I continue to trawl the NSW BDM index for births in the Eden/Monaro in 1912.









The descendants of Charles Richard Bourke  (1867-1949)and Alice Maude Bourke (nee West) (1885- 956) who settled in Canberra in about 1913 have been getting together over the past 20 years.


The next reunion is on  March 2nd 2013  from 11am-8pm, Corroboree Park in Ainslie, Canberra (byo food/drink)


We would also like to invite any other relatives from the West, Ochs or Power families to join us on the day to meet other descendants and find out about the history of our families in this region.


Please contact Dianne 0427 618 831 czeh@netspeed.com.au

or Christine: 0438 246 849 clangley@bigpond.net.au for further details.


Alice Maude West was the youngest daughter of William Henry West (1847-1929) and Annie Catherine West (nee Ochs/Oaks) (1850-1937) of Adaminaby. Annie was of German ancestry and her parents were Louis Ochs and Walberga Ochs who arrived in 1855 and ended up near Dairyman's Plains near Cooma.


William Henry West owned the Commercial Hotel in Old Adaminaby.


He was the eldest son of Henry West (circa 1812-1902) and Jane West (nee Power) (1828-1913) who had the "Gabramatta" selection in the late 1890's near the Gulf Plain (downstream from Tantangera Dam). Henry was a convict from Middlesex, while Jane was the daughter of Thomas (1813-1870) and Isabella Power (nee Hastie/Heasty) who lived for a time at Little Tinderry, and later in life at Bolairo. After Thomas died, Isabella married Christopher Eccles in 1875.


Charles Richard Bourke was the son of Peter Bourke (1844-1896) and Jane Dormond who lived in Coburg Victoria. Peter Bourke arrived from Tipperary in 1864 while Jane was born in Dundee Scotland.



A reunion to mark 130 years of the Weh / Hofmeier family settling in Woolgoolga is to be held on Saturday 31st August 2013 at Woolgoolga Bowling Club.

For all descendants of – Anna Maria Weh, her youngest daughter Anna Martha married John Adam Hofmeier.

Other siblings were John Weh, Louisa Weh. August Weh married Elizabeth Carlyon and resided in Warialda district.

For All enquiries Contact Darrell & Pat Davis 0402 022 008 or email jaycoranger@hotmail.com


Part of the Weh family settled on the north coast of NSW. But John and Louisa we know very little about other then they resided in Australia according to their mothers obituary and were still alive at time of their mothers death in 1886 according to her death certificate. We thought it was a possibility there could be somebody who might be checking your web site and have info or know of the family.



On the 18 May 2013 descendants of Thomas & Charlotte MARCH will 'march' to Gundaroo to celebrate the 175th Anniversary of their arrival in Australia on the Orontes 18 May 1838.


Thomas James MARCH & Charlotte Thomason nee PLUMMER settled in Gundaroo area in the mid 1840's after living in Newtown since arrival.


Please contact Julie Watt marchfamilyreunion2012@gmail.com for further information


Descendants names from Gundaroo, Yass, Bungendore, Queanbeyan, Goulburn areas include the following surnames - March, Kershaw, Hildred, Taylor, Cronk, Erenshaw/Earnshaw, Denyer, Burgess, Byfield, Millyn, Allen, Marshall, Cooper, Mitchell, Noyes, Locke, Gurnett, Buckmaster, Greig, Flack, Friend


From the New England Region of Glen Innes, Tenterfield, Wallangarra, Stanthorpe & Warwick surnames include - March, Turner, Dawson, Long, Wood, Hickey, Philpott, Kelly, Hodgson, Downes, Butler, Neal, Brown


Current correspondence:


From: brett dawson

Sent: Saturday, 2 February 2013 5:00 AM

Subject: Corrections to your site

I have only just registered to use this site.

I have already found a number of errors concerning my grandparents and great grandparents.

What do I have to do to get them corrected?

Sincerely,  Brett Dawson

Hi Brett,

Please send any additional or correctional information to me and I will update our database accordingly.

Regards,  Ian

Dear Ian,


OK, here we go. This is just a start. I haven't had time to comb through everything yet. Just so you can situate me, I should tell you that I am a descendant of the original Vallance family (Hugh & Margaret) who arrived in Sydney on the barque Trinidad in 1841. My grandmother was Irene McLeay Vallance (who married Albury Randolph Dawson), and here are a few facts gleaned from the documents I possess:


(1) She was born at Drumclog Station (later renamed Hillview) near Murrumbateman on 15th November 1892 (and not in 1896 as the site says); the BDM Index number is correct;


(2) She was married on 27th December 1915 (and not 1916);


(3) Her husband, my paternal grandfather Albury Randolph Dawson, was born in Millthorpe, not Blayney; I can provide the names and DOB of their five children (including my father) if you wish, but they probably won't interest you as the family went to live in Dunedoo after my grandparents were married, and in 1939 they all moved to Hurstville;


(4) Her mother (= my great grandmother), Frances Sophia Hilder (that is the order of first names on her birth certificate) was born on 20th February 1870, not on 11th, witness her birth certificate;


(5) My great grandfather Hugh Vallance (1862-1934) sired nine children, not ten; from among the ten children listed on your site, you should delete "Roland", as his full name was George Roland, and he is the same person as the third son, who died at the age of 14 in 1914 from a tetanus infection;


(6) Finally, on the Dawson side, my great grandmother's name was Sophy Ann Bowd (not "Sophia").


We'll leave it there for the moment, I think. I shall doubtless have more on the Vallances when I have delved a bit more, and also on the Franklins (I share a common ancestor with Miles Franklin, but then, who doesn't?) Keep up the good work, your site has been invaluable to me and correcting a few things is for me a way to thank you; there is no criticism implied.


Sincerely,  Brett DAWSON

Hi Brett,

Or should I say Bonjour?

Merci for the information, the database will be updated later today.  The database is what it is because folks like you have taken the time to contribute and/or correct the information we have.

Regards,  Ian



From: robyn annette brown

Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 11:53 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Family: Grady, Martin/McNamara, Catherine Ann (F34239)


Proposed Change: Family: Grady, Martin/McNamara, Catherine Ann (F34239)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F34239&tree=MP


Description: there are 3 more children from this union,

one of which was my father  KEVIN MARTIN GRADY 11/7/1914-6/1/2011   

thanks for this great site       

robyn brown [ nee grady]]

Hi Robyn,

Thank you for letting us know, if you would care to supply the other 2 missing children's details I would be happy to add them to our records.

Regards,  Ian



From: Mark Roberts

Sent: Monday, 28 January 2013 9:13 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Britten, Georgina (I37666)


Proposed Change: Britten, Georgina (I37666)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I37666&tree=MP


Description: Georgina Britten had a child out of wedlock in 1888 her name was Vera Rose Britten, she was born in Woolahra, Sydney, Nsw Australia.

Georgina was sent to Sydney to have the babay and then returned home to finally marry and have children with Alfred Jones. Vera is my Great Grandmother. I can supply certificate evidence for inclusion to your site if you require and I would appreciate the inclusion as it has taken me lots of research time to discover this fact. I am also decended from the Mylan Whitlock Rose Barnes Sutton Lee and Agnew families on your site.


Regards,  Mark

Thank you Mark,

Regards,  Ian


From: Gary Lucas
Sent: 2013-01-24 13:18
Cooma War Trophy

Dear sir,


The City of Liverpool sub-Branch of The RSL is seeking information on the WW1 German Field Gun that is in the possession of Liverpool city Council. The War Trophy in question is number 13379 was issued to the Cooma people in May 1921 for the displaying of it in recognition of Cooma’s contribution to WW1. This war trophy has been in the possession of Liverpool City Council circa 1965. Why Liverpool has it is unknown therefore I seek your help in establishing as to why, how and when it came into the possession of Liverpool. Maybe this information can be obtained from yourself and the local Historical organisation to assist the  City of Liverpool sub-Branch of The RSL.


Should you require further details on this matter please feel free to contact the City of Liverpool sub-Branch of The RSL 171 George St Liverpool 2170. My contact details are (m) 0417451813 or email gjlucas@bigpond.net.au


Yours Sincerely

Gary Lucas

Hon. Secretary

City of Liverpool

Sub-Branch of The RSL



From: Fiona Robinson
Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2013 6:52 AM
Subject: RE:

Hi Ian


Have been going great guns with the family history stuff..


Do you recall putting up Annie Oaks? Under Henry west line.


Well our conclusive research shows it is Ochs (we saw so many versions but this is what it was - it may have been anglicised later to Oaks). James as listed was not her father, but brother. Her father was Ludwig (Louis) Ochs and Mother Walburga Ochs (they died at Dairyman's plains).


We have Ludwig's death cert and a intestate file and the original shipping records from when they came from Germany.


Also since you have changed the files I noticed when you click on some names it defaults top of page instead of going to the name... not sure what the error is there.


Regards,  Fiona

Thank you Fiona,

Can you please tell me the dates of Ludwig and Walburga's death?   Can you also tell me which page you encountered the problems you describe and which names?

Regards,  Ian

Hi Ian

I clicked on a number  like Isabella West is one I recall for sure.


We cant find Walburga's death.. anywhere or anything about her.


On Ludwig the info is


Louis Ochs

27th July 1875 death at Cooma. 

Father was Anton Ochs

Mother was Catherine Keiffer


So we have his death cert and his intestate papers. We have found some info like the following.


We know there were 12 children. 9 of who died infancy. Annie Mary (born Anna Maria), James and a Joseph were the 3 who lived.


So I guess the little known Ochs family can be listed now too and hopefully it will build from there if anything.


I have also attached Annie Mary's Obit (her grave and she is listed as Annie Catherine West - we are yet to figure that out). Its definitely the same woman as the intestate papers prove that.


Emigrants from Neckarsulm in the WEI 

Emigrants from Neckarsulm


Ochs, Georg Anton Neckarsulm May 1835 Russian Poland 838479. Ochs, Joseph 21 Dec 1854 Neckarsulm Oct 1855 Australia 838480. OchsLudwig & F ...


Ochs, Anna 26 Jun 1850 Neckarsulm Oct 1855 Australia 838480 
Ochs, Georg Anton Neckarsulm May 1835 Russian Poland 838479 
Ochs, Joseph 21 Dec 1854 Neckarsulm Oct 1855 Australia 838480 

Ochs, Ludwig & F Neckarsulm Oct 1855 Australia 838480 

Ochs, Walburga (wife) Neckarsulm Oct 1855 Australia 838480 


there is another page which states his info is in the Stuttgart State archive


Ochs, Ludwig

Neckarsulm, Stadt, HN



Hauptstaatsarchiv Stuttgart (HStAS)


i noticed on NSWBDM Ludwig is also called Louis and Lewis  which could make searching tricky


Walberga is also Wallburge 


Ochs has so many variants!!


I found the birth of CAROLINA in 1859 daughter of LUDWIG and WALLBURGE at CAMDEN,  I found her death the following year 1860 same spellings,  so you know there was Annie 1850, Joseph b 1854, Carolina b 1859 d 1860, James b 1861.    Couldn’t find Wallberga's death

Thanks Fiona,

Regards,  Ian



From: ann murray burke

Sent: Wednesday, 23 January 2013 12:03 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Henderson, Thomas (I14916)


Proposed Change: Henderson, Thomas (I14916)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I14916&tree=MP


Description: Thomas Henderson was born 01.03.1858 Roscor Co tyrone his fathers name was Andrew Henderson not James  Andrew died from 14.02.1867 from typhoid Thomas's mothers name was Catherine Booth (the same as his

wife's) Thomas's parents had married 11.10.1853 in the Parish of Derryvullan Co Tyrone


ann murray burke

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: brett frost

Sent: Tuesday, 22 January 2013 7:19 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Thomas, Elizabeth (I164865)


Proposed Change: Thomas, Elizabeth (I164865)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I164865&tree=MP


Description: Elizabeth [BETSY] Thomas,was born in 1850 at Brownlow hill,camden,nsw.she moved to Lobbs Hole,near Kiandra in 1859-60,with her family, father James Thomas 1792-1861 ,mother Mary Daley 1814-1886.Elizabeth raised her family in Lobbs Hole.her son John Thomas Fraser,married Mary Jane Dunn,all three families lived in Lobbs Hole[DUNNS, THOMAS'S AND FRASER'S]and were wagon/bullock driver's.Elizabeth moved to Tumut in her later years. 


brett frost

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Steve & JO
Sent: Monday, 21 January 2013 5:26 PM
Subject: Carolyn Joan Richards nee Povey.

Dear Ian, 

Just letting you know, if you wish to update the records. Carolyn Joan Richards nee Povey passed away last Wednesday 16th, Jan. 2013. Carolyn was the daughter of William Percival Povey. who incidentally is still alive, but very frail and has Alzimhers. Poor man, he has buried all three of his children. Carolyn had an older sister, whose name I can't remember. However she was 10 months old when she died, and Carolyn was born 10 months after her death. There was also a younger brother named Warren. He died 9th April 1998. Carolyn has three living adult children, two boys and one girl. I had a long phone conversation this morning with Michael Povey.

[ contributor of the headstone photos ] Michael, Carolyn and I would never have met one another if it wasn't for the Monaro Pioneers web site. In June last year we met up on the Gold Coast. Had a ball at the theme parks by day and wined and dined at night while talking Povey none stop for a week. Carolyn knew her days were numbered then so we made every second count. We three have you to thank for it all. If it wasn't for your dedication to the site, it would not be the success that it is.

Thank You so much. I'm sure this story is not an osolated one and many many other families have been able to unite in the same way.

Once Again. Thank You.  Johanna

Thank you Johanna, we are delighted to have been of help.

Regards,  Ian



From: catherine margaret martin
Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2013 4:16 PM
Subject: Archibald MacDonald family tree - Monaro district


Hi Ian – I am not sure if I am doing this right, but here goes  - some  time ago I was able to  click onto my family ancestors family tree – clicking on “M” for Macdonald and having the whole ancestors of Archibald Macdonald, a Monaro pioneer, set out before me.   Obviously there has been some change in the site with instruction to contact you with any enquiries.  


Can you help me to get back onto the information that I need – I am doing my family history thru Ancestry and want to research further into   Hugh Lyndsay Sinclair from Temora and his marriage and siblings  to  Mary MacDonald.


Their son Duncan married his cousin Catherine Macdonald and they are my maternal grandparents


Thank you and hoping for your assistance – Margaret Martin 

Hi Catherine,

The information is still available but in a different form now.  Instead of the old static descendant reports you used to see now you can access the MP Database directly and see up to date descendant listings at any time.  You will need to register for a user id though.  This is a simple process and once registered you can continue with your research in the full knowledge that all the information you see will be the very latest we have available.

Regards,  Ian



From: Nellie Hewat

Sent: Sunday, 20 January 2013 3:37 PM

Subject: re Henry Hewatt ID 12709

Dear Sir


Just been looking at your website and found Henry Hewatt   He is the brother of my great Grandfather


His correct name is Henry Hewat  born at Forge Creek  on 4/1/1862 and died in the Warrugal Hospital 14/7/1922 he is buried at Warragul


He went to NSW  at a young age and was at Tumbarumba for some years  He did marry Mary Jane Clancy [ previous married name Raynor]  They had 6 children


Henry left NSW with Ellen Dissell  nee Wright  and moved to Melbourne They had 4 children She died in the Royal Melbourne Hospital  in 1922 and about that time Henry took ill and the 4 children were placed in orphanages


Henry seemed to spell his surname with either 1 or 2 T's  and most of this line of our family use the 2 t's because that is how they were registered at the orphanages


I have a lot of information on the family so if you know of any one researching the family  Please pass my email address onto them


Nellie Hewat

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Cassandra Oxenburgh
Sent: 2013-01-19 17:58
Subject: RE: Mc Donald Family


Hi David,

Thankyou for your response. Could you perhaps include the following instead:


Seeking information on the Mc Donald family and any proposed family reunions.


Please contact Sandy Oxenburgh (nee McDonald) on cassie07@bigpond.com  





From: Maree Myhill
Sent: Saturday, 19 January 2013 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: Re. MP Link

Hi Ian & David,


Happy New Year. Hope 2013 is a great year for all the Monaro Pioneers & descendants.


I used to be able to go in to the new MP site but since I bought a new computer & tried, it is not working.


Will I have to register as a new user?


Regards,  Maree

Hi Maree,

Thanks and the same in return.

To access the database now you need a userid.  The registration process is quite straight forward so you should not have any difficulty.

Regards,  Ian



From: Jade

Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 5:08 PM

Subject: Comments (Girvan, Robert b. 1830 Old Cumnock, Ayrshire, Scotland d. 1911 Bombala, NSW)


Comments (Girvan, Robert b. 1830 Old Cumnock, Ayrshire, Scotland d. 1911 Bombala, NSW): Hi, I was just wondering, in regards to Robert Girvan, b.1830 Old Cumnock, Ayrshire... Where the name of his Mother and Father came from?

I just haven't been able to find any records or anything.

Thanks :)



Hi Jade,

That information is as was supplied to us and I am unable to confirm or deny its authenticity.

Regards,  Ian



From: Michelle

Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 10:09 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Freebody, James S. (I264194)


Proposed Change: Freebody, James S. (I264194)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I264194&tree=MP


Description: Hi Ian,

from a Police Gazette report of 1911, the father of James was no doubt a lad called John Leslie Quinlan who was wanted on a charge of child desertion with the complainant being Alvina May Freebody of Vale Street, Cooma(although her name is noted as Albina May Freebody in the Gazette).


Cheers,  Michelle

Thanks Michelle,

Regards,  Ian



From: Peter Young
Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2013 9:52 PM



It has been a while since I have spoken with you.  I am still chasing information on my Grandfather, John Henry Williams and his association with families in the Moruya area.


In particular, I would like to get more information on one of the Eden-Monaro pioneers, Thomas Turner, Moruya, 17.10.12. 


John Henry Williams was originally fostered out to a family in Ulladulla (Uriah Coller/Sarah Campbell) in 1900 at age 17 years.  In 1905, both Uriah and Sarah passed away. John then made his way to Moruya, where he met his future wife, Marion Fraser Caldwell, the daughter of a local Policeman.


John and Marion married in Sydney in 1910.  John unfortunately passed away in 1920 and a copy of his death notice is attached. The notice makes reference to the family name “Turner” which I suspect is a family from Moruya, where he apparently lived for a short time.


Are you able to provide any information to me for Thomas Turner?  The database is currently asking me for a username, which I don’t have at the moment. What is the best way to progress this request


Peter Young

Hi Peter,

I suggest you go through the login application process to obtain a username and with that you will have access to the Turner information in our database.  This does include some information on John Henry Williams.

Regards,  Ian



From: Hill
Sent: Tuesday, 15 January 2013 7:11 PM
: update on Olga Hansen 

Hi Ian,

thanks for not deleting us, I thought you may have because my mother was illegitimate.


there are allot of other decendants still living that are on our George Binstadt side and I wasn’t quick enough to print it, We would really like to be back on the main list.


We have finally found our family and been accepted, even though  they were quite shocked, so it was really nice to be included, so if you could make us visible again that would be great.


I have photos of Olga etc to include in the collection as well and i have some family birth and marriage certs including Hans Hansen.

Hans married Annie Binstadt in Bega  on the 20th November 1883 at the Vicarage of the Anglican Church. His occupation is listed as Fisherman at Taltra and she was a housemaid at Bega. he was born in Kolding Denmark 1854. they both lived together in Bega River he drowned at sea so I’m told and was never found and that is why she remarried. 

Linda Hill

Hi Linda,

I have attached a report of the Binstadt clan for your use and you're definitely part of that family.  What you see on the Website remains the same as our privacy policy prohibits the display of any details of living persons.

Regards,  Ian

Thank you sooooooo much, the report is wonderful, I’m very thrilled and I know everyone will love it.




From: David Musgrave

Sent: Thursday, 10 January 2013 6:38 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Devereux, James (I38239)


Proposed Change: Devereux, James (I38239)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I38239&tree=MP


Description: Dear Ian

I'm the great-great-grandson of Edward (not Edmond) Devereux). My great-grandmother, his daughter Mary, is not listed on your website. Would you like me to send the information pertaining to our family? I also have more up-to-date information on the Devereux family.

Regards, David Musgrave

Hi David,

Thank you for the offer, we would greatly appreciate any additional information you can provide.

Regards,  Ian



From: Bruce Stubbs

Sent: Wednesday, 9 January 2013 8:05 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Brownlie, Thomas Waters (I7143)


Proposed Change: Brownlie, Thomas Waters (I7143)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I7143&tree=MP


Description: Hi David and Ian,


Please note Google Map is showing the location of Ashton Private Cemetery being North of Bombala township.


This is appearing in all people who are buired at Ashton Private Cemetery.


The actual location, if no-one knows, is about 12kms on the Delegate-Bombala Road, heading out of Bombala towards Delegate.


It is on the left side of the road, just before reaching Aston Creek itself (which is the 3rd creek on the road between Bombala and Delegate).


Bruce Stubbs

Thank Bruce,

I shall try to change the map location so it will be more accurate.

Regards,  Ian



From: Kerry Donaghy

Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2013 3:10 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Watson, Isaac (I105417)


Proposed Change: Watson, Isaac (I105417)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I105417&tree=MP


Description: Isaac Watson was from Settle, Yorkshire, England and his DOB varies from 1780s (convict records) to early 1790s (census/marriage). He was convicted at the Lancaster Quarter Sessions on 15 January 1821 and was transported on "Mary (2)" which arrived in Sydney on 23 January 1822. On 28 January he was assigned to Messrs. Hassall at Parramatta. On 14 August 1824 he was charged with being absent from his Masters premises all night and being an incorrigible character. His sentence was to receive 100 lashes and be returned to his Masters service.  His Certificate of Freedom was issued at Parramatta on 24 January 1828.  On the 1828 Census he is listed as being a stockman for James Hassall at O'Connell's Plain (near Bathurst). He married Catherine Williams on 22 September 1831, C of E Bathurst.

Catherine was born c.1810 in Cork, Ireland. She was tried at the Old Bailey, London on 15 January 1829 for theft of a man's clothing and was transported on "Sovereign" which arrived in Sydney on 3 August 1829. In April 1831 she was given permission to marry Thomas Connell (at Bathurst) but, for some reason, that does not appear to have eventuated. Isaac Watson was a constable in 1831 so maybe she went for the man in uniform/earning wages, even though he was quite a few years older than her.

On 16 October 1832 Isaac was promoted to Chief Constable at Bathurst, which position he maintained until 15 November 1834. He had also been appointed Bailiff of the Court of Requests on 26 November 1832.

Mary Ann Watson was born at Bathurst in 1833 (NSW BDM V1833683 17).

On 7 February 1835 Isaac was appointed as a Constable at Goulburn.

Most likely death regn. for him is in 1855 Goulburn (NSW BDM V18551077 43A).


Kerry Donaghy

Hi Kerry,

Thank you for the information.

Regards,  Ian



From: maree parker

Sent: 2013-01-08 13:03

Subject: Descandant of Robert Havens


I am a direct descendant of Dr Robert havens of Braidwood.  His daughter Esther was my grandmother (Maria Scarff) mother.  My grandmother married John Duard Piercy Parker and you list for of their children, But not my father Harold Parker.


I have placed many details on Ancestory.com if you care to follow through with this line of the family also.


Regards Maree Parker (Brisbane)

Thank you Maree,

Regards,  Ian



From: Valma Hick

Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2013 10:07 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Collins, Ida Maude (I121990)


Proposed Change: Collins, Ida Maude (I121990)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I121990&tree=MP


Description: Ian, I  have just been advised by one of her grandchildren that she is one of the daughters of Mary Jane Commons & Graham Collins (son of Mary Jane Crain & John Collins.

Regards, Valma


Valma Hick

Hi Valma,

Thank you for letting us know.

Regards,  Ian



From: Bruce Stubbs

Sent: Monday, 7 January 2013 9:32 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Brownlie, William Hill (I52547)


Proposed Change: Brownlie, William Hill (I52547)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I52547&tree=MP


Description: With the assistance of the Orbost General Cemetery, paid for and arranged for a headstone to be placed onto plot 323 in the Presbyterian Section for William Hill Brownlie. (Previous William was in an unmarked plot).


A copy of the headstone is attached to ID I52547.


Additional information:


William was buried n the 15th April 1957.


William died on the 13th April 1957 at Chandlers Creek near Cann River VIC.


William is buried down from where his sister Jessie McCole nee Brownlie is buried (she is in plot 317).


Bruce Stubbs

Thank you Bruce,

Regards,  Ian



From: Thomas and Jean Konradi
Sent: Tuesday, 8 January 2013 12:10 AM
Subject: 1 Missing child of Benjamin Walter Thomson.

Hi Database Team,

                                  My wife asked me to look up her Grand Fathers WW1 records and to see if we could find out what medals he had after the war as the originals were stolen many years ago and a coin dealer said he could replace them for us (copies RSL approved). We had no problem finding him and while reading his children we couldn’t find Jeans dad.

Jean’s dad was born Aubry  Maxwell  in 1928 in Yarraman, Q’ld Twin Brother to Lester Raymond.  I have attached a scanned copy of a Family Reunion brochure with more Information about the Children of  Benjamin Walter (Mac) Thomson and Elsie Isabella Heale.

Regards Thomas and Jean Konradi.

Hi Folks,

Thank you for the information, that was very helpful.  Aubry Maxwell Thomson is included in our database but as we have no death information for him we assume he is still living and as such no details will be displayed.

Regards,  Ian



From: Tony Annand
Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 4:58 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers, Tozer and Summerell families



Thank you for the excellent website. I am currently having a “first go” at my family tree, and the work you folk at MP have done has saved me untold time. I would like to make a small number of adjustments/additions to the info relating to my maternal grandparents (MP ID’s: I914 & I915), Clement Joseph & Lillian Tozer (middle name on MP is Irene, should read Eileen). The MP site lists them as having one child, my uncle, who died in infancy, but has no details of my mother. I have attached a spreadsheet & a GEDCOM, so use whichever is easiest for you. For simplicity, I have only included the details that are necessary for the changes…ie, my parents, myself and siblings….all are deceased except me & my brother. Any relevant BDM references etc are in the notes section of the GEDCOM.


Sincere thanks and regards,  Tony Annand.

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Neil Garvie

Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 5:25 PM

Subject: Comments (Login)


Comments (Login): I'm reserching the family of Lisle Terrance Jamieson and his wife Helen Edna Jamieson {nee Foster)and I have run into a wall with imformation about Helen after the death of her husband Lisle in 1950.I would appreciate any information about Helen, Helen immediate family and her sibings up to her death in 2000 and if any siblings of hers are still alive today.


Kind Regards,   Neil

Hi Neil,

All the information we have is already displayed on our web site.

Regards,  Ian



From: Cheryl Miller

Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 1:33 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Goodwin, Henry Harold (I61619)


Proposed Change: Goodwin, Henry Harold (I61619)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I61619&tree=MP


Description: HAROLD EDWARD Goodwin not HENRY HAROLD


birth registered 24844/1884 GOODWIN     HAROLD EDWARD    WILLIAM



death registered 18034/1954          GOODWIN     HAROLD EDWARD    WILLIAM



Sydney Morning Herald, Monday 12-7-1954, page 16:

GOODWIN, Harold Edward - July 11, 1954, of 7 Campbell Street, Punchbowl, husband of the late Lily Goodwin, loved father of Lillian (Mrs. Noonan) and Jean (Mrs. Wilson), father in law of Ron and Allen and grandfather of Michael.


GOODWIN, Harold Edward - July 11, 1954, beloved son of Mrs. Catherine Goodwin, brother of Mary (Mrs. Jardine), Bede, Eileen (Mrs. Mahoney) and Jim.


Harold married Eliza Thompson 1916 Katoomba. She was born 1889 St Leonards and died 1934 Chatswood parents James A P Thompson and Martha Young


Sydney Morning Herald, Saturday 13-10-1934, page 13:

GOODWIN - October 12, 1934, at North Sydney, Eliza beloved wife of H.E.

Goodwin of 44 Claude Street, Chatswood, late of Naremburn, aged 44 years.


Cheryl Miller


Regards,  Ian



From: Cheryl Miller

Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 1:05 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Family: Goodwin, William/Reilly, Catherine (F17436)


Proposed Change: Family: Goodwin, William/Reilly, Catherine (F17436)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F17436&tree=MP


Description: Catherine's death is on NSW BDM Index as Goodwin CATHARINE 1958 Chatswood father James (no mother listed)


Her death and funeral notices also spell her name as CATHARINE


Sydney Morning Herald, Thursday, 19-6-1958, page 20:

GOODWIN, Catharine - June 18, 1958, at hospital, late of Crow's Nest, beloved mother of Caroline (deceased), Charles (deceased), Edward (deceased), Arthur (deceased), Jim, Mary, Eileen, Bede and Sid. In her 99th year.


Sydney Morning Herald, Thursday, 19-6-1958, page 20:

GOODWIN - The Relatives and Friends of the late Mrs. CATHARINE GOODWIN, late of Crow's Nest, are invited to attend her Funeral; to leave St. Cuthbert's Church of England, Willoughby Road, Naremburn, This Thursday, after service commencing at 1.15 p.m. for the Church of England Cemetery, Northern Suburbs.


Cheryl Miller

Thank you Cheryl,

Regards,  Ian



From: Di Murray
Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 9:40 AM
Subject: Dr William large

Hi there


I've just been looking on the website for the pioneers project which is terrific.   I am undertaking a PhD at Swinburne University at present on the life of Marion Leathem (Large) - daughter of Dr William Large. Marion was my great great grandmother so i also have the benefit of the family information as well as a multitude of birth certificate and research from a number of sources.


I have noticed a few mistakes on the family tree for the family - I think a lot of this information originated from Betty Elworthy as the errors are consistent with some of her research, which was amazing but there are a couple of little errors which persist. I have Betty's book, Devon to Down under and met up with her a few years ago early in my research.


Marion and Henry Vale  Leathem only had six children. The first child listed,  Grace Leathem was actually the infant daughter of Henry's brother John Ebbs  and his wife Marion Margaret McDonald - she was born 24 June 1867 at what looks like Hockney Place in Sydney.


Henry's mother was Ann Leathem nee Vale - not Vaele. She was 42 when she died from Cancer in Sydney.


I'll go through all the other details when I have time, but I would be interested if there is any information on the large family which is available as I would love to know more, especially Dr Large or Mary Ann and her schools.


There also appears to be another family called Large in the area - i'm wondering if they were connected to Dr Large and if that is hate reason they came to Tumut. Any ideas on this family?   I think they owned the hotel there - there was another hotel/brewing  family called Large in Tasmania - they came from England and I cannot find a connection there but thought I'd mention it.


Once I have finished my research I'm happy to pass on any information i have on the family ( Large - Leathem) to the project


kind regards,   Di Murray

Hi Di,

Thank you for the information.

Everything we have is already available on our website.

Any further information and help you  can provide would be much appreciated.

Regards,  Ian



From: Reddy, Darnell
Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013 9:34 PM
Subject: re family photos

Hi Ian

My relatives are the Thornton's (Morgan Thornton).

I am doing the family tree and don't have many photos at all. On the Monaro site there is a page-

'Thornton's 'with a few photos but no names. Are you able to help out or do you know who may have some Thornton/ Murphy/ Ayling photos?

Thanks,   Darnell Reddy

Hi Darnell,

Everything we have is already available on our website.  Any contributor details we have would also be shown on the Thornton page.

Regards,  Ian



From: Verlie Wilson

Sent: Friday, 4 January 2013 2:47 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ebzery, William (I73384)


Proposed Change: Ebzery, William (I73384)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I73384&tree=MP


Description: Ernest Alfred Ebzery (B 22/02/1925 and D 30/10/1993) is not listed as one of the Children of William and Gladys. He Married Ilma Joyce O'Donnell in 1954 (NSW BDM Index 6711/1954).

The siblings of Ernest Alfred Ebzery were listed to me through a verbal discussion with my Grand Mother Elma Ebzery (nee O'Donnell) They were listed as follows - Cecil, Ray, Lorrie, Ronnie, Joan, and Melva. The similarities can not be ignored and whilst the NSW BDM Index does not lists any births past 1909 many death index for the siblings note William and Gladys as parents. I am confident that these siblings of Cecil, Raymond, Lawrence, Ronald,Joan and Melva are in fact the brothers and sisters of my Grandfather Ernest Alfred.

I am still obtaining certificates but through out the O'Donnell and Ebzery Family, they sort of dis-associated themselves from Ernest as he was not a man of good character and there were some horrific stories regarding is conduct floating around.

This may have something to do with his Military Career after his deployment and once again i will be obtaining his records to look at what sort of deployment he was involved in.

Just thought I would mention the connection.

If i am incorrect please let me know.

If you need anything further please feel free to contact me via my email address.


Thank you Verlie,

Regards,  Ian


From: Phillip Wheatley
Sent: Friday, 4 January 2013 10:07 AM
Subject: RE: Adding Images to the MP database

Good Morning Ian,

                              Sorry for the delay in my reply but I have just spent a quiet New Year period in hospital of all places, but back home now catching up on all the emails etc. A Happy 2013 to You and the Monaro Pioneers team.


               Thanks for the advice re the entering of images into the MP database and I must apologise for these errors. I will endeavour to follow these guidelines in the future. I have been finding my way without any real knowledge of the database so any suggestions you have are most welcome and I will try to understand the ‘help’ sections a bit better.


               I will see if I can edit these mistakes as any data is only as good as what is input.


     Does the last point relate to the file names of the images?


               I find the new system very good and thank you for setting up the MP database on this system.


Regards,   Phillip

Hi Phillip,

Happy new year and I hope all is well with you health wise.


I have already edited the images you have added so don't bother trying to do the same.


Yes the last point refers to the file name you give your images and as more and more people add their files the chances of naming conflicts will increase.


Thanks for your support, your images are a great help.

Regards,  Ian


From: Ian Harvey
Sent: Monday, 31 December 2012 12:48 PM
Subject: Adding Images to the MP database

Hi Phillip,

Thank you for adding your images to the Monaro Pioneers database.    There are a couple of things I would like you to do when adding your images, firstly in the "Title" field could you please use the convention of Surname, given names.  If the photo includes a spouse then the title should be Male surname, given names and female given names nee maiden name.  If the photo also includes others then after the "and"  either given names or given names and surname.

Having the Surname first in the title makes it easier when searching.

Secondly, can you please reduce the file size of your images to no more than 80k to conserve storage space as we do have some constraints.

The more you can make your file names unique, the less chance of a naming conflict.

Regards,  Ian Harvey

Monaro Pioneers Project



From: Gwen Hubert

Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2013 4:52 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Woodhouse, Thomas Henry Sylvester (I46525)


Proposed Change: Woodhouse, Thomas Henry Sylvester (I46525)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I46525&tree=MP


Description: T.H.S. Woodhouse also had a daughter-Alison who became a Doctor and Eye Specialist practising in London. I don't know the birth and death dates, Alison never married and died in England.


Gwen Hubert

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Denise Miller
Sent: Thursday, 3 January 2013 11:05 AM
Subject: Gidleigh Station or Gidley Station

Hi Ian,

I have to start by saying how much I value and look forward to reading the Monaro Pioneers newsletter as it comes out each month. It has been a great source of information about my local area. While my historical connections to the region were short lived (approx. 1841-I854) I am keen to learn more and as I now live in Canberra, I want to take advantage of local resources.


My ancestors, William and Mary Clifford (nee Scully) received their Tickets of Leave in August 1840 in Campbelltown. By December 1842 they were both working at Gidleigh Station at Bungendore as this was where their daughter Mary Ann Clifford (1842) was born. Previously a son, John had been born in Campbelltown in 1841. My great great grandfather, William George Clifford was born in Queanbeyan in 1844. Baptism certificates describes William Clifford,  father as a house servant at Gidleigh. Records show that William Clifford died in April 1846  and is buried at the Oaks Burial Ground in Queanbeyan.


Mary Scully was a resilient woman and before the end of that year she had married Thomas Connors or O’Connor. They had four children between 1847 and 1854. At some point after the birth of the youngest child Emily, they left the area, and turned up in Toowoomba, Queensland. The first indication of the family’s relocation was the marriage of Mary Ann Clifford to Jonathan Ives in Toowoomba in January, 1860. It does not appear that any of the family returned to the area, but generally made their home on the Darling Downs. Mary Scully died at Stanthorpe, QLD in 1896, while Thomas had predeceased her in 1881.


I am seeking information about Gidleigh station at that time (the 1840s and 1850s)  

Many thanks,  Denise Miller (nee Clifford)

Hi Denise,

Perhaps one of our readers can help you?

Regards,  Ian

Thanks Ian,

I have been to the NLA and reviewed station records on microfilm, but would be interested in any other documentation that anyone might know about.


The Clifford's and O'Connor's are now in the MP Database, you may want to "Flesh out" the details.

Regards,  Ian


From: Judy Grace
Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2013 3:03 PM
Subject: Photos

Hello Ian 

I have found some photos on the site that relate to people in my family tree. Could you please let me know the guidelines for the use of photos on Monaro Pioneers. Is it possible for me to use them on my tree provided that I give credit to Monaro Pioneers? I use ancestry.com.au for my tree as I figure that if my computer crashes I will still be able to access my tree. I look forward to hearing from you. Thankyou. 

Regards,  Judy Grace

Hi Judy,

Yes you can use our photos as long as you add the credits.

Regards,  Ian



From: Don Lloyd
Sent: Monday, 31 December 2012 12:33 PM
Monaro Pioneers - Jesse Friend 1817



My name is Don Lloyd. Thank you for giving me access to the Monaro Pioneers database.


I am descended from Emma Friend 1819, the sister of Jesse Friend 1817. Both are on the Monaro Pioneers database.


I believe that the Jesse Friend 1817 on the Monaro Pioneers database is in fact a composite of 2 Jesse Friends. The Jesse Friend who died at Cooma in 1896 is not the Jesse Friend who arrived in Australia on the Neptune in 1839.


Jesse Friend 1817 according to the family story disappeared and was probably murdered  by aborigines in the St Clair region near Singleton, and his death was not registered. The date has not been passed down, but it would be between 1854 and 1869. So apparently he was not a Monaro pioneer at all.


A different Jesse Friend married Ellen Green in 1855, married Jessie Summers in 1877, was held in Goulburn Gaol during 1882-3 and died in 1896. The best fit for him is the Jesse Friend who was baptised at Bitton, Gloucestershire on 22 Aug 1821 with parents John and Elizabeth, and arrived in Australia on the Mary Bannatyne in 1849.


If you would like to resolve this issue, I would be happy to provide more details.

Kind regards,  Don Lloyd

Hi Don,

Thanks for letting us know, that error should be fixed now.

Regards,  Ian



From: Cheryl Moore

Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012 12:42 PM


Hi Ian,


Hope you and your team have had a Happy Christmas. Your hard work is much appreciated. Could you please connect Mary Collins wife of Charles O'Loughlin to her correct parents John Collins and Winifred Hassett. She is correctly Mary Margaret Collins born 1835 in Clare, Ireland and sister to John Collins who married Mary Jane Maloney and Bridget Collins who married Michael Naughton. Charles O'Loughlin's father also a Charles was born about

1814 Clare, Ireland and died Sep 1878 Sydney, NSW buried

6 Sep 1878 in the Catholic Cemetery, Rookwood. His parents are Dennis O'Loughlin and Mary Foote (could be Forte) I've taken this from the shipping records. Charles and his wife Maria Burke came to Australia  on the 'Ayrshire' 25 Oct 1841. Maria Burke born about 1816 died 29 Sep 1856 in Kent Street, Sydney. Her parents were John Burke and Ellen.  Charles O'Loughlin married again in  1859 in Sydney to Ellen Murphy.


Thank you once again.

Regards,  Cheryl Davidson

Thank you Cheryl,

May you have a safe and prosperous new year.

Regards,  Ian


From: Judy
Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012 11:39 AM
Subject: Certificates

Dear Ian


I have hundreds of certificates that I am happy to donate to the website.  I can put them all on a USB and send them.  Can you please provide a mailing address.


May 2013 be filled with good health, peace and happiness.


Thank you Ian and David for your sterling efforts over the years.  You are truly appreciated.


Warmest regards,  Judy McCutcheon

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian


From: m a
Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012 12:47 PM
Subject: Best wishes for 2013

Hi Ian and David,
just a short note to wish you and your families a very happy and exciting 2013.  I am so glad you hard working fellows had the foresight to establish this wonderful site to allow us all to find out about "who we are". Thank you for that.
It has certainly opened up the avenue I needed in regards to being able to kick start my family research a few years back.
I enjoy the research I do, making it possible to pass on extra and updated information, for, not only my own family lines , but also all the other Pioneer families listed on this  gem of a site.
May I also take this opportunity to wish all of the avid researchers, readers and contributors alike who are part of the expanding Monaro Pioneers family, a Happy , healthy and safe New Year. 
Kind regards,  Michelle
P.S. My husband is glad he will be able to drag me away from the computer for a few days leave . See you in the New Year!
Hi Michelle,

Thank you for the kind words and your support.

We hope you also have safe and prosperous new year.

May 2013 be a year full new discoveries and lots of new connections.

Regards,  Ian


> From: iansharvey@bigpond.com
> Subject: RE: Proposed Change: Chalker, Albert Arthur (I1344)
> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 18:33:11 +1100
> Thanks,
> Regards,
> Ian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michelle
> Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2012 5:43 PM
> Subject: Proposed Change: Chalker, Albert Arthur (I1344)
> Proposed Change: Chalker, Albert Arthur (I1344)
> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
> Link:
> Description: Hi Ian
> Albert died November 15, 1948 and was buried in Bargo Catholic Cemetery 17 Nov 1948.
> [SMH death & funeral notice]
> There was also another daughter by the name of Ivy mentioned in the death notice.
> Cheers,    Michelle


From: Cheryl Miller

Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2012 10:39 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Harris, Edyth May (I48136)


Proposed Change: Harris, Edyth May (I48136)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I48136&tree=MP


Description: EDITH M HARRIS born 1887 Balmain parents William H Harris and Elizabeth F Carrick


Sydney Morning Herald, Monday 14-10-1940, page 10:

GOODWIN - October 13, 1940, at St Leonards, Edith May, beloved wife of William Charles, and loving mother of Iris and Geoffrey, and beloved only daughter of Mrs. E.F. Brown, late of Cooma, aged 53 years.


Sydney Morning Herald, Monday 14-10-1940, page 9:

GOODWIN - The Relatives and Friends of Mr. WILLIAM CHARLES GOODWIN and FAMILY and Mrs. E.F. BROWN are invited to attend the Funeral of his beloved WIFE, their MOTHER and her DAUGHTER, Edith May, to leave her late residence

34 Rhodes Avenue, Naremburn, THIS DAY, at 2 p.m. for the Church of England Cemetery, Northern Suburbs.


Cheryl Miller

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Cheryl Miller

Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2012 10:19 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Goodwin, William Charles (I48135)


Proposed Change: Goodwin, William Charles (I48135)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I48135&tree=MP


Description: Sydney Morning Herald, Friday, 28-5-1948, page 14; GOODWIN, William Charles - May 27, 1948 (late of Cooma), beloved husband of Edith May and loved father of Iris and Geoffrey, beloved son in law of Mrs. Elizabeth Brown, aged 68 years.


Sydney Morning Herald, Friday, 28-5-1948, page 14; GOODWIN - The Relatives and Friends of the late WILLIAM CHARLES GOODWIN are invited to attend his

Funeral: to leave the residence 34 Rhodes Avenue, Naemburn, This Day, after service commencing at 10:45 am for the Church of England Cemetery, Northern Suburbs.


Cheryl Miller

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Cheryl Miller

Sent: Thursday, 27 December 2012 9:59 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Family: Goodwin, Charles Albert/Kaufline, Elizabeth Phillipine (F14980)


Proposed Change: Family: Goodwin, Charles Albert/Kaufline, Elizabeth Phillipine (F14980)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F14980&tree=MP


Description: Sydney Morning Herald, Thursday, 12-10-1933, page 10:

GOODWIN - October 11, 1933 Elizabeth Philapine Goodwin, beloved mother of Charles, Leonard, Stanley, Maud (Mrs. Williams), Elsie (Mrs. J. Bentley), Evelyn (Mrs J. Cullen), Eric, Aileen (Mrs. W. Bentley), aged 74 years.


Sydney Morning Herald, Thursday, 12-10-1933, page 10:

GOODWIN -  The Relatives and Friends of the FAMILY of the late ELIZABETH PHILAPINE GOODWIN are kindly invited to attend her Funeral; to leave the residence of her son in law Mr. W. Bentley, Roseneath, Calliope-street, Guildford, THIS (Thursday) AFTERNOON, at 1:45 o'clock, for Church of England Cemetery, Rookwood.


Cheryl Miller

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian


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