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Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
2013 Number 4
REQUESTS:
WEH / HOFMEIER REUNION
A reunion to mark 130 years of the Weh / Hofmeier family settling in Woolgoolga is to be held on Saturday 31st August 2013 at Woolgoolga Bowling Club.
For all descendants of – Anna Maria Weh, her youngest daughter Anna Martha married John Adam Hofmeier.
Other siblings were John Weh, Louisa Weh. August Weh married Elizabeth Carlyon and resided in Warialda district.
For All enquiries Contact Darrell & Pat Davis 0402 022 008 or email jaycoranger@hotmail.com
Part of the Weh family settled on the north coast of NSW. But John and Louisa we know very little about other then they resided in Australia according to their mothers obituary and were still alive at time of their mothers death in 1886 according to her death certificate. We thought it was a possibility there could be somebody who might be checking your web site and have info or know of the family.
MARCH FAMILY REUNION
On the 18 May 2013 descendants of Thomas & Charlotte MARCH will 'march' to Gundaroo to celebrate the 175th Anniversary of their arrival in Australia on the Orontes 18 May 1838.
Thomas James MARCH & Charlotte Thomason nee PLUMMER settled in Gundaroo area in the mid 1840's after living in Newtown since arrival.
Please contact Julie Watt marchfamilyreunion2012@gmail.com for further information
Descendants names from Gundaroo, Yass, Bungendore, Queanbeyan, Goulburn areas include the following surnames - March, Kershaw, Hildred, Taylor, Cronk, Erenshaw/Earnshaw, Denyer, Burgess, Byfield, Millyn, Allen, Marshall, Cooper, Mitchell, Noyes, Locke, Gurnett, Buckmaster, Greig, Flack, Friend
From the New England Region of Glen Innes, Tenterfield, Wallangarra, Stanthorpe & Warwick surnames include - March, Turner, Dawson, Long, Wood, Hickey, Philpott, Kelly, Hodgson, Downes, Butler, Neal, Brown
DESCENDANTS OF SAMUEL TIVEY
From:
research@joinedup
Sent: Thursday, 28
March 2013 8:07 PM
To: Ian Harvey
Subject: RE: MEDIA
ENQUIRY: "Who's Been Sleeping in My House?" (ABC TV) RE: Descendants of Samuel
Tivey
Who's Been Sleeping in My House?" is a television program broadcast nationally on ABC TV at 8pm on Friday night (ABC1) : http://www.abc.net.au/tv/whosbeensleeping/
We are currently researching a home in Inglewood, Victoria which was built by Joseph Tivey in 1881. We wish to find out as much as I can about Joseph Tivey, his life, his family, descendants and his home. If possible, we would also love to find a living descendant that might be able to shed some light on the home and their lives, either through personal letters, stories, photos or even myth/legend!
If you know of anyone or any material that might help fill in the blanks, we would greatly appreciate hearing from you.
Please contact:
Adam Collins
Researcher
Joined Up Films
PH: (02) 8333 3305 (my ABC office in Sydney)
Email: research@joinedup.com.au
MARY GRACE HIGGS
From:
dot
Sent: 2013-03-03 16:01
Subject: family researxh
Hi al . I am hoping someone maybe able to point me in the right direction.
For some time now I have been trying very hard to locate the birth detail on a child born in 1940. This child was born to an Arthur paul & Dulcie Gladys pearl higgs . who lived in the bright district in the north east victoria.
her birth name was mary grace/ higgs . she lived for two years dying 13 Jul 1942 in bright victoria aus . so hoping some one can help me.
Thank you kindly Dorothy Collins
OSMOND/STURT
From:
Beverley Hicks
Sent: 2013-04-26 23:23
Subject: for the news letter
Hello David I am in Canada and will be coming to Australia in June of this year. I am very, very interested in tracking down some of my relatives and ancestors. My Grandfather was Frederick Osmond who went to New Zealand as a young man about 1897 and his youngest daughter was my mother. His parents were James Osmond and Emily Sturt of Tumut. The children of James and Emily include George Osmond who married first Fanny Venables then Tamar Caunt; Frances who married Donald McCrae; John who married Margaret McGrath; Herbert who married Sarah Tebay; Alfred who married Isabelle McGregor; Fred my grandfather who went to NZ; Walter who married Mary Ann Tebay; Eustace who married Elizabeth Reid.
James Osmond (My grandfather’s father) his parents were John Osmond and Fanny Wickenden I had always thought that James Osmond, my great grandfather, was a lone adventurer but I have recently discovered, through your wonderful site, he was in fact part of a family who came to Australia from Kent, England in 1838 aboard the William Metcalfe. Once established another seven children were added to the family; Robert, who married an Oddy: Philadelphia, Eliza, Thomas, William, Albert, and John.
I know very little about these although I have been in touch via email with one or two descendents. But I would love to hear more from anyone of these “cousins”. The common ancestor would be my great, great grandparents John and Fanny Osmond. While I am in Australia in mid June I would love to meet as many as possible of these relatives.
I do give permission to put my name and address in the paper and thank you again for the wonderful opportunity you provide.
Thank you so much
Beverley Hicks 7 White Ash Drive, Brandon, Manitoba, R7A 7T1, Canada. Phone 204 726 5978
Current correspondence:
CAMPBELL
From: Kimly Maria (Prestwidge) Bruce
Sent: Thursday, 9 May 2013 8:10 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Campbell, Ruby Sarah (I138837)
Proposed Change: Campbell, Ruby Sarah (I138837)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I138837&tree=MP
Description: Children of Ruby Sarah Campbell and Alfred George Prestwidge
Danny Prestwidge
Lorraine Prestwidge
Jeanette Lynch
Sandra Parker
Patricia Bourke
Gail Prestwidge
Kimly Bruce
Tammy Thomas (Dec)
Dear Ian,
I dont know if you can help me. We are trying to find out if there is a possibility of an aboriginal ancestor in our family tree. My mother was Ruby Sarah Campbell her mother Phoebe Anne Miners. The reason is purely personal, all my childhood I was told my mother was of mediteranian descendants because all her brothers and sister were quite dark, dark brown eyes etc.
Some of my brothers and sisters are taned and their children and their children. We laugh about mums stories now as we know this isnt true but we are curious.
Kimly Maria (Prestwidge) Bruce
Hi Kimly,
Thanks for the information. I personally don't have any information that can help you but your email will appear in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers can help you. Can you tell me the details of your mother's siblings please?
Regards, Ian
PARKES
From:
Robyn Hopson
Sent: Tuesday, 7 May 2013 2:11 PM
Subject: Error in Rootsweb?
Hi,
In my research of my wife's ancestors I came across your Rootsweb site. I
believe there is an error in your information.
My wife's grandmother Alice Parkes was born 24 Oct 1866 in Cooma (daughter of
John Parkes and Alice Caldwell). She married Albert Mercer in 1907. Your site
quotes BDM 25391/1969 as her death certificate. I believe this incorrect. My
wife knows that her grandmother died before she was born in 1950. The correct
death certificate for Alice Mercer (nee Parkes) is, I believe,
11569/1946. I hope you find this information helpful.
Greg Hopson
Hi Greg,
Thank you for letting us know. I suggest you use the database search on our website www.monaropioneers.com as the information contained therein will always be up to date.
Regards, Ian
HOLMES
From: Maureen Upton
Sent: Monday, 6 May 2013 10:02 AM
Subject: Samuel Holmes database
Dear Ian Just looking at Samuel Holmes entry 54 Frederick John Holmes. You have him marrying a Ruby Estelle Legge. I have him marrying Ruby Ellen Legge born 11 May 1915 Nethercote Nsw to David Skelton Legge and Alma Maude Smith death 2 March 1992 76 yrs late of Merrylands[living in Merrylands 1980].
Regards Maureen Upton
Hi Maureen,
Thanks for letting us know.
Regards, Ian
MYERS
From: Noelene Jill O'Keefe (know as Jill)
Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013 5:07 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Myers, David (I62032)
Proposed Change: Myers, David (I62032)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I62032&tree=MP
Description: I am the daughter of mary wilhelmina myers the date she passed away was 1st March 2003. Mary was the daughter of Anne and William there was also five more children John Joseph B.1916 Bega D.1st Dec.1974
Thelma Courtney B.1918 Bega D. 22nd Dec.2005
Aubrey Hoy B.1920 D.?)
Dulcie Joyce B1922 D ?) both have passed away
William Campbell B.1923 D.1935 Hope this gives you a little more information for your records
Noelene Jill O\'Keefe (know as Jill).
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
WEPPLER
From: Sue Talbot
Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013 3:26 PM
Subject: Re Charles Frederick Weppler Person ID 198296
Hi Ian,
I wish to advise further information to the above named Charles Frederick Weppler, Born 21.6.1879 at Kameruka. Eden Monaro Pioneers Person ID 198296.
I have been researching my husband's grandfather, John Talbot for nearly 30 years and have now been able to positively link him with the name of Charles Frederick Weppler. See information below.
The names John Talbot and Charles Frederick Weppler share the same birth Certificate number - 9776/1879.
On discussing this with the NSW Births, Deaths and Marriages (who conceded that the birth certificates were identical) they advised me that there was a probable change of name (not listed in their department) but to check with the Land & Property Information Department to check if they held the record there.
It was there and I was able to obtain a copy of the Deed enrolled in the office of the Registrar General regarding the change of name from Charles Weppler to John Talbot officially registered on 8.5.1952. B669892. Signed by Charles Weppler as the name he was given at birth to John Talbot as the name he chose to be known as. I hold the original receipt (30.4.1952) paid to the Solicitor, Sydney B. Glass being for 'Change of some papers' - £5.0.0.
While this only took place a couple of months before John Talbot died, he had been using the name of John Talbot from at least 1903 when he was registered on the Electoral Roll at Cambooya, Qld and then in 1905 when he married.
On his Marriage certificate, his named fictitious parents which was another reason which led me to believe that Talbot had changed his name. The parents he named existed on no records for John Talbot's birth or for their own marriage or death.
He told his family very little of his past - just that he had left home at approximately 13 years after a family dispute and that he had come from down south but never mentioned that he had changed his name.
So his details of birth are - 21.6.1879 as Charles Frederick Weppler - parents, Charles weppler and Jane Moon. Born at Kameruka.
Marriage - on 20.9.1905 to Eva Simpson at Toowoomba. They had two children, Eva Talbot born and died 8.10.1905 (buried at Drayton/Toowoomba Cemetery) and John Robert Luton Talbot born 21.4.1911. Died on 8.12.1971.
John Talbot died on 14.7.1952 at Walcha Road, NSW. His wife, Eva Talbot died on 12.5.1943 at Armidale, NSW.
If you require copies of any of the above certificates I am happy to provide. I assume that you will update the information on the Eden Monaro data base.
With kind regards, Sue Talbot.
Hi Sue,
Thank you for the information, I will amend our records.
Regards, Ian
LOCK
From:
Julie Vonwiller
Sent: Thursday, 2 May 2013 3:47 PM
Subject: Some corrections to Lock family details
Dear Ian,
Below are some possible corrections to the MPI information – if you agreeJ.
1. In the notes on John Lock (1832-1914) the Delegate Argus journalist states that “......He had a wonderful memory, and it was a pleasure to sit and hear him relate details of some of the stirring times this district witnessed years ago. Deceased was born at Burbateman Creek, six miles from Yass, 82 years ago. At the age of nine he migrated from there with his parents, going to Jinenberry. Two years later they came to Craigie....”
I used the children’s baptism records to track where the Lock family were over time prior to arriving in Craigie, and think that maybe the journalist made a few mistakes in the above summary.
a. The nearest Town or Creek about 6 miles from Yass, with a name like “Burbateman” is “Murrumbateman” about 16km (9-10miles) and there is a creek of that name which is closer to Yass. The Lock family were certainly there, as 2 of the boys, Thomas & George Lock, and Mary Ann Lock were baptised there in 1838. So probably John Lock was born in Murrumbateman??
a. In 1841, John (9 years old) & William Lock were baptised in Palmerville in Queanbeyan Parish, near the present suburbs of Evatt and Giralang in Canberra; <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginninderra> George Palmers established Palmerville Estate in 1826 in Ginninginderry with a homestead located on the banks of Ginninderra Creek adjacent to the present day suburb of Giralang. The estate is now Palmerville Heritage Park. Earliest written reference to the area use the spelling Ginninginderry though by mid 19th century the Ginninderra variation was in general use.
Note that using “J’ or “G” to represent the “J” sound as heard in “Jane” is not unusual. This information fits in, date-wise, John was 9 when he was baptised there, so probably “Jinenberry” is actually Ginninginderry / Ginninderra???
2. In the Jackson Family tree, Sheila Reynolds – wife of Cecil Jackson # 57 in the descendant list - is still alive
Regards, Julie
Thank you Julie,
You are most probably correct that the journalist made mistakes but who am I to rewrite his text?
Regards, Ian
Hello Ian,
I agree that the original text should stand – it is what the journalist wrote. Perhaps the information could go somewhere else? Maybe in brackets at the end of the article? Having the correct info there may help someone else, but I leave it up to you J
Regards, Julie
WATSON
From: brenro
Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013 2:54 PM
Subject: Frederina Heston L.Watson
ID: I112119
Name: Frederina Heston L. WATSON
Given Name: Frederina Heston L.
Surname: Watson
Sex: F
Birth: 1897 in Bellingen, NSW 1
Death: 1956 in Auburn, NSW 2 3
A friend has asked me to see if I could discover how her Grandmother came to be named Frederina Heston (see above) and I discovered your wonderful Monaro Pioneer site and hope you can provide further information as to the origin of how she was named and any other information please.
It always had my friend's father intrigued and he has now passed away but asked his daughter to discover how his Mother was named. Your help would be greatly appreciated,
Best wishes, Brenda McNamara
Hi Brenda,
Unfortunately we have no information that might help you.
Regards, Ian
POVEY
From: Ben Mitchell
Sent: Tuesday, 30 April 2013 4:29 AM
Subject: Comments (Photos)
Comments (Photos): Hi I need some help finding some pictures of my great grandfather Victor Albert Povey. Do you know who might have some.
Ben Mitchell
Hi Ben,
If we had any they would be displayed on our website. This email will appear in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers may be able to help you.
Regards, Ian
NICHOLS
From: Naomi Robinson
Sent: Monday, 29 April 2013 8:43 PM
Subject: William John Nichols
Hi there,
My name is Naomi Robinson and I am currently investigating my family tree.
My Great-Grandfather is William John Nichols, born in Cooma in 1884. Our oral history suggests that William was an Indigenous Australian but I am having difficulty working out where this relative is in our family tree. A suggestion has been made that William was either adopted into the family or was the result of an affair. I have a photo of him but am unable to find any other photos of his immediate or extended family. The question I have for you is... Do you know of anywhere that I might be able to acquire some pictures of the Nichols family?
Thank you so much
Mrs Naomi Robinson
Hi Naomi,
Firstly, William John Nichols is listed in our database as the legitimate son of Edward Nichols and Elizabeth Leonard born 1884, birth registered in Cooma (Reg number 24755/1884). We have no information to suggest he was
indigenous. We have no photos as yet but certainly would appreciate copies of any you could contribute to our project. There is no other site other than the Monaro Pioneers and perhaps ancestry.com that might have photos that I know of and I have checked Ancestry and there are none shown unfortunately. The local historical societies might have something in their records. However, this email will appear in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers will be able to help you.
Regards, Ian
BLAKE
From: Cathrine Constable
Sent: Monday, 29 April 2013 4:41 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Blake, Sybil Mary (I37552)
Proposed Change: Blake, Sybil Mary (I37552)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I37552&tree=MP
Description: HICCUP
Somehow Sybil Mary BLAKE has inherited Jane TURBET'S old ID No:I37552 which has placed her as 9th child to Robert Clark Fraser & Mary Turbet, and Jane has been bumped up to 1st child when she is the 8th child.
Sybil is married to Thomas Waterson & Jane Turbet's grandson, Jack Carroll Robinson.
Hope that makes sense.
Cathrine Constable
Hi Catherine,
Hopefully it is correct now. The problem occurred when merging duplicate individuals in my software program on my computer. When I upload the partial changes to the MP site, sometimes anomalies occur like you have highlighted because all the nuances of such a change are not easily understood by the MP site software. To restore equilibrium I have do a complete reload of the entire database on a regular basis to make sure the MP site is exactly the same as the master DB on my computer. A bit of a pain in the rear but one I am happy to endure because it only happens after I have received valuable changes like yours to enhance the database.
Besides, I get more emails from nice folks like you and what a joy that is.
Regards, Ian
TURBET
From: Cathrine Constable
Sent: Monday, 29 April 2013 12:55 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Turbet, Jane (I10533)
Proposed Change: Turbet, Jane (I10533)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I10533&tree=MP
Description: CHANGE OF SURNAME FROM QUSBET TO TURBET.
I10533 - Jane QUSBET - &
I37552 - Jane TURBET - ARE THE SAME PERSON
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Friday 9 May 1941
DEATHS
WATERSON - May 7, 1941, at St. Vincent's private hospital, Jane, dearly loved wife of Thomas Waterson of 55 O'Brien St., Bondi, and loving mother of Elsie, William, Charles, Ivy and Louie, aged 75 years.
NSW Death Index - Sydney 6464/1941
Cathrine Constable
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
WALEMAN
From: Cathrine Constable
Sent: Monday, 29 April 2013 12:39 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Waleman, Thomas (I37569)
Proposed Change: Waleman, Thomas (I37569)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I37569&tree=MP
Description: CORRECTION OF SURNAME FROM WALEMAN TO WATERSON.
I37569 - Thomas WALEMAN - &
I10532 - Thomas WATERSON - ARE THE SAME PERSON
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) Saturday 15 February 1936
GOLDEN WEDDINGS.
WATERSON -TURBET. -February 15, 1886, at St. Peter's Church of England, Candelo, by the late Canon Leigh, Thomas, youngest son of the late William and Elizabeth Waterson, to Jane, fourth daughter of the late Robert and Mary Turbet, of Wyndham, South Coast. Present address, 55 OBrien-street, Bondi, Sydney.
Cathrine Constable
Thank you Catherine, that was quite a bit of detective work on your part.
Regards, Ian
GRANT
From: Cathrine Constable
Sent: Monday, 29 April 2013 11:31 AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Grant, Henry (I3891)
Proposed Change: Grant, Henry (I3891)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I3891&tree=MP
Description: The Bega Gazette and Eden District or Southern Coast Advertiser (NSW : 1865 - 1899)- Thursday 21 August 1873
MARRIAGES
GRANT. TURBET. - On August 12th, at Wyndham, by Rev. W. Baker, Mr. Henry Grant, to Miss Margaret Ann Turbet, both of Panbula.
Cathrine Constable
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
OSMOND/STURT
From:
Beverley Hicks
Sent: 2013-04-26 23:23
Subject: for the news letter
Hello David I am in Canada and will be coming to Australia in June of this year. I am very, very interested in tracking down some of my relatives and ancestors. My Grandfather was Frederick Osmond who went to New Zealand as a young man about 1897 and his youngest daughter was my mother. His parents were James Osmond and Emily Sturt of Tumut. The children of James and Emily include George Osmond who married first Fanny Venables then Tamar Caunt; Frances who married Donald McCrae; John who married Margaret McGrath; Herbert who married Sarah Tebay; Alfred who married Isabelle McGregor; Fred my grandfather who went to NZ; Walter who married Mary Ann Tebay; Eustace who married Elizabeth Reid.
James Osmond (My grandfather’s father) his parents were John Osmond and Fanny Wickenden I had always thought that James Osmond, my great grandfather, was a lone adventurer but I have recently discovered, through your wonderful site, he was in fact part of a family who came to Australia from Kent, England in 1838 aboard the William Metcalfe. Once established another seven children were added to the family; Robert, who married an Oddy: Philadelphia, Eliza, Thomas, William, Albert, and John.
I know very little about these although I have been in touch via email with one or two descendents. But I would love to hear more from anyone of these “cousins”. The common ancestor would be my great, great grandparents John and Fanny Osmond. While I am in Australia in mid June I would love to meet as many as possible of these relatives.
I do give permission to put my name and address in the paper and thank you again for the wonderful opportunity you provide.
Thank you so much
Beverley Hicks 7 White Ash Drive, Brandon, Manitoba, R7A 7T1, Canada. Phone 204 726 5978
THOMAS
From:
harry thomas
Sent: Friday, 26 April 2013 9:39 AM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers - Thomas
Ian,
About a decade ago I submitted a considerable amount of information for the database under the name Thomas Thomas. During that time I gave you my work email address and am pleased to say that I have now retired and may well have time to continue my research. The data base has me listed with the email thomash@aciworldwide.com could you update that to this address please.
I am going through the information I have and will forward updates to you soon.
Regards, Harry Thomas
Hi Harry,
I have checked the Pioneers Index page for Thomas Thomas and we do show your private email address. I look forward to your further updates.
Regards, Ian
CURTIS
From:
Paul Fergus
Sent: Friday, 26 April 2013 9:23 AM
Subject: Error in Curtis Data
I am a third great-grandson of Ann Moran and John Curtis (see entry at: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=DESC&db=monaropioneers&id=I88143). You will note that this entry indicates they had four children. This is not correct as they had five children. The missing child is the eldest "Elisabeth" who was born in about 1804 at Parramatta or Toongabbie. The other children were James who was born in about 1805 at Toongabbie and who died in Hunter Street Sydney on 2 October 1882; John who was born in about 1809, probably at Toongabbie; Peter who was born on 3 July 1811 at Toongabbie and died in Cooma on 23 July 1887, and Catherine who was born at Toongabbie on 4 June 1814 and died in Cooma on 30 September 1882. Catherine is my second great-grandmother by her husband. George Eccleston.
For many years, it seemed that the third child of Ann Moran and John Curtis had disappeared from the record and some people speculated that he might have been executed cattle duffing in 1828. However, I have recently come into possession of papers assembled by an earlier researcher, Ken Eccleston, which seem to establish that he moved to Victoria at about the same time as his brother, Peter, and sister, Catherine, moved to the Monaro in the early 1840s. Additionally, these records show that he had only a single given name, John. This would be consistent with the practice of his father, the older John Curtis, who baptised all but one of his 11 English born children with a single given name (I hold all baptismal records obtained from the Bristol Public Record Office) and he seems to have followed the practice with his Australian-born children to Ann Moran. The only exception was one English born son who was given the same name as an older sibling who had predeceased him in infancy. No doubt this exception was to distinguish the two children in the minds of the family.
Last year I noted an entry in Ancestry.com (which appears to be replicated in your entry at: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=monaropioneers&id=I197395) to the effect that the third Australian-born child was named "John Joseph Curtis" and that he had died in Brisbane on 24 August 1890. This led me to obtain his Queensland death certificate (1890/B23331, copy attached). This death certificate shows that the John Joseph Curtis was born in South Wales, not New South Wales, in about 1809. This information seems to be reliable as it was provided to the Registrar by his wife. Moreover, John Curtis, the husband of Ann Moran, could not be the father of this child as he had arrived in the colony of New South Wales on 2 June 1797 having been convicted of coining at the Gloucester Assizes on 16 March 1795 and transported from Portsmouth on the "Hercules" in 1796.
Thank you for your invaluable work assembling information about the Monaro pioneers and the contribution they have made to this country. My purpose in writing is simply to correct the record in so far as I can assist you to do so. I suspect other errors might flow from the mistake of thinking that John Joseph Curtis was the son of Ann Moran and John Curtis but I have not been able to follow these possibilities.
Warm regards, Paul Fergus
Hi Paul,
Thank you for letting us know, I will amend our database. Incidentally, I would recommend you use the database search facility on the Monaro Pioneers website (www.monaropioneers.com) which is always up todate whereas the Rootsweb version can be anything up to a month out of date.
Regards, Ian
Dear Ian
Thank you for your prompt reply and your advice about using the Monaro Pioneers website rather than Rootsweb.
My wife and I are leaving for Europe on 13 May to see our son and his family in London and to attend a heritage conference in Trim in Ireland. The Heritage Society in Co Meath has organised a conference in the middle of June for those with Meath connections. My connection is through Ann Moran who was convicted at the Summer Assizes for Meath in 1797 and sentenced to be transported for life. She arrived here on 26 June 1802 and was assigned to John Curtis as a milkmaid after he had been emancipated and appointed supervisor of the Government herd at Toongabbie. By 1814 they had five children who were the progenitors of many of the Australian Curtises and associated family names. No one seems to have been able to find out very much about her before she arrived in Sydney so it will be interesting to see whether the people at the Heritage Society are able to assist me to locate records in Ireland.
Again, thank you for your very good work on the Monaro Pioneers website and your quick response to my email. If I learn anything relevant during my visit to Ireland, I shall let you know as soon as possible after I return to Australia in early July.
Warm regards, Paul Fergus
LOVE
From:
June Love
Sent: Wednesday, 24 April 2013 1:40 PM
Subject: Death
Hi Ian
Sylvia Evelyn Love (nee Moss), wife of Clifford John Love (dec'd) died 12/04/2013 aged 91 years.
Daughter, Sister, Wife, Mother of 5, Grandmother of 12, Great Grandmother of 1, Aunt, Great Aunt, Great Great Aunt.
Sylvia was a member of the Australian Army during WW2, and remembered by her extensive family, and honoured by RSL at her funeral in Toowoomba on 19/04/2013.
Thank you, Ian and David, for your fine work.
Kind regards, June Love
Thank you June,
Regards, Ian
LOCK
From:
David Knox
Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2013 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: some more information for LOCK
Hi Julie,
Many thanks for the updates.
Ian is the person you should send the updates to, I just manage the Newsletter.
Ian will advise you on the preferred format.
Once again thank you for your support.
Regards
David Knox
On 22/04/2013, at 9:14 PM, Julie Vonwiller wrote:
Hi David
I am now working on tying up some loose ends to find out how the Lock family got to meet the Jackson family. I have a few corrections to some other information on the MPI site for you that I will send, but first, I thought I would check with you how you would like to handle this. As I plan to continue to wrap up the history, I imagine that I will find other pieces of information that will be of interest. Would you rather that I kept all the information and send it to you in one block or would you rather I sent it as I find it?
I hope the information that I sent earlier was not too much of an effort for you to deal with
Regards, Julie
Hi Julie,
Please provide your additional information in whatever form is suitable to you. If you can send it as you find it then at least the MP database will include such details sooner rather than later.
Regards, Ian
MURPHY
From: Maxine (Murphy) Johnson
Sent: Monday, 22 April 2013 2:02 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Murphy, Augustine J. (I2725)
Proposed Change: Murphy, Augustine J. (I2725)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I2725&tree=MP
Description: Birth details obtained from NSW Registrar's birth certificate -
Augustine John Murphy b. 1 August 1878 at Marrinumbla, birth registered 6 August 1878 at Cooma.
He is the son of Andrew Murphy, labourer, aged 38 years, the latter was born at Monaro & Mary Ann Abbis, 38 yrs, born in England. Andrew & Mary Ann married in married 1862 at ? Cooma.
I also have his marriage certificate, those of his children and down the line to myself. Interested?
Regards, Maxine Johnson
Hi Maxine,
Thank you for the offer, yes we are very interested in additional information and images.
Regards, Ian
GARDNER
From:
Anne Pollitt
Sent: Monday, 22 April 2013 12:44 PM
Subject: Stephen Gardner family
Dear Website Co-ordinator,
I've just chanced upon your Monaro Pioneers website, with the entry for Stephen Gardner. I'm descended from one of Stephen and Lucy's daughters.
The name is spelt in different places as Gardner, Gardener, and Gardiner.
According to Lucy's death certificate she gave birth to 18 children, but we don't have names for 6 of them. Only 8 survived to adulthood, and of those, one did not marry.
Their first 6 children were born in Sussex. The first child died and the other 5 came with them to NSW, namely Harriet, Sarah, Rachael, Eliza, and James.
They arrived in December 1838 on the 'James Pattison', sponsored by a Jno. Marshall. I think Mr Marshall must have lived in the Monaro district, but is not in your pioneer list. [Source: Immigration record].
They were not alone in migrating to NSW. Lucy's cousin James Buttenshaw was on the same voyage, and her brother Thomas Weaver had arrived a month earlier on the 'Maitland'.
Stephen was a farm labourer so would have come to the Monaro to work for Mr Marshall in that capacity. In 1845 the family moved to Mt Hunter, Camden, leasing land from the Macarthurs. In 1862 they moved to Burrawang (Wingecaribee Swamp), purchasing land under the Robertson land Act. Three of the girls married in the Camden district so did not go to Burrawang.
Returning to the children born in NSW:- The only children recorded in the NSW BDM index are the births of Edward Gardener 1840, Alfred Gardiner 1842, Stephen Gardener 1849, and John in 1854 recorded twice, once as Gardiner and once as Gardner. There were no deaths recorded in the BDM index for those who died in infancy. Charles was born and died in 1849, and John died in 1854, and those details must have been retrieved from church records in the Camden area as they are not in the BDM index. Some of the 6 unnamed children could have been born between Alfred in 1842 in the Monaro and Thomas in 1847 in Camden.
An address for the Gardiners in the Monaro appears on Alfred's birth certificate as "Middling Bank, Maneroo". I don't have the cert for Edward born 1840, but it might also have an address.
Stephen was a keen Wesleyan lay preacher. He was literate (though some of his children were not), and he was on the local committee for the Mt Hunter/Westbrook School.
Is it possible to make contact through you with the person who has already supplied you with some information on this family?
Kind regards, Anne Pollitt
Hi Anne,
We have no contact information for that family unfortunately but I notice there are numerous family trees on Ancestry.com with very detailed information.
Regards, Ian
LUBY
From: Kellie
Sent: Monday, 22 April 2013 11:29 AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Luby, Michael (I136747)
Proposed Change: Luby, Michael (I136747)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I136747&tree=MP
Description: This Michael LUBY and the Michael LUBEY both with wives Jane (one Jane PATON and one Jane UNKNOWN appear to be the same man and same families just with spelling variations) births
V18442280 62/1844 LOOBY CATHERINE MICHAEL JANE
V1849753 67/1849 LUBY MICHAEL MICHAEL JANE
V1846831 63/1846 LOOBY EDMOND MICHAEL JANE
V18481297 65/1848 LOOBEY HANORA MICHAEL JANE
Possible death
V18521443 118/1852 LOOBY MICHAEL AGE 54
Kellie
Thanks Kellie, you are very good at this genealogy stuff and I really appreciate the help.
Regards, Ian
LEACH
From: Kellie
Sent: Monday, 22 April 2013 10:59 AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Leach, Alice May (I44553)
Proposed Change: Leach, Alice May (I44553)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I44553&tree=MP
Description: Death of a son
3076/1921 SIMS JOHN J WILLIAM M ALICE M COOMA
although cemetery records have him as John C SIMS died 26th Jan 1921 aged 3 weeks.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BROGAN
From: Kellie
Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2013 4:40 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Brogan, James (I260214)
Proposed Change: Brogan, James (I260214)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I260214&tree=MP
Description: James died 11 Sept 1897 aged 61years
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BROGAN
From: Kellie
Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2013 4:30 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Brogan, James (I133486)
Proposed Change: Brogan, James (I133486)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I133486&tree=MP
Description: Buried in Spring Valley with Thomas BROGAN and James BROGAN is Mary PAYNE died 28 Dec 1907,,,she appears to be Thomas's sister,,,daughter of James and Ellen.
13670/1907 PAYNE MARY JAMES ELLEN GOULBURN
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WARE
From: Kellie
Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2013 3:43 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Ware, Henry Joseph (I8044)
Proposed Change: Ware, Henry Joseph (I8044)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I8044&tree=MP
Description: So far I have not found the headstone for Henry in Michelago Cemetery....the headstone for his wife was mistaken for his in other records as his name is listed on the headstone,,,but only the dates for Jane are mentioned and the headstone reads.."Jane" then under "loving wife of" then under again it has Henry Jospeh WARE" then under again the dates.
I checked all the online records including those from Barry Stephenson and they all have this listed as Henry's grave but it isn't...it is definately the grave of his wife.
Kellie
Thanks Kellie,
Regards, Ian
HEYWOOD
From: Kellie
Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2013 3:39 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Heywood, Jane (I5565)
Proposed Change: Heywood, Jane (I5565)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I5565&tree=MP
Description: Jane is buried in Michelago Cemetery...I took photo's of it this morning...large headstone erected by her husband Henry.
Kellie
Thanks Kellie,
Regards, Ian
DENAHY
From: Kellie
Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2013 3:34 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Mary (I139920)
Proposed Change: Mary (I139920)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I139920&tree=MP
Description: Mary SHEEHAN born 1854 Cork Ireland died 16 April 1940 buried Wornora Cemetery. (Info from Michelago Cemetery headstones)
NSW BDM Death
9607/1940 DENAHY MARY (SHEEHAN) WAVERLEY
Woronora Cemetery Records
DENAHY FLORENCE G Burial ROMAN CATHOLIC MONUMENTAL -
SECTION 3 - 0218 28/09/1931
DENAHY MARY Burial ROMAN CATHOLIC MONUMENTAL - SECTION 3 -
0219 16/04/1940
Kellie
Thanks Kellie,
Regards, Ian
DENAHY
From: Kellie
Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2013 3:30 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Denahy, Daniel (I139917)
Proposed Change: Denahy, Daniel (I139917)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I139917&tree=MP
Description: Daniel DENAHY b.1834 Cork Ireland died 19 May 1922 buried Michelago Cemetery
Kellie
Thanks Kellie,
Regards, Ian
FORD
From: CAROL MACKIN
Sent: Sunday, 21 April 2013 1:35 PM
Subject: Comments
Comments: hi, iam am starting a family tree of my family.MY GRANDPARENTS LIVED IN THE COOMA AREA.MY GREAT GRANDFATHERS NAME WAS JOHN EDWARD FORD I HAVE JUST DISCOVERED HE WAS A POLICEMAN.HE WAS MARRIED TO MARY ANNE HAYES.THIS IS ABAOUT 1890S.ALSO THE LEONARD FAMILY ,PATRICK WAS MY GRAND FATHER MARRIED TO BRIDGET FORD OF COOMA AREA, BRIDGET BEING JOHN'S DAUGHTER...I WOULD BE GREATFUL OF ANY HELP IN THIS AREA.
REGARDS CAROL SYDNEY
PS PATRICK WAS A DROVER-
Hi Carol,
All the information we have is already contained with our database.
Can you tell me who Patrick's parents were?
Regards, Ian
Hi Ian, All I know at this stage is Father also Patrick Leonard Labourer, and Margaret O'Neill Mother.
As I say this is all new to me .I am going to seek help at my local library.But I remember mum Marjorie Daphne Kitt telling me her mum and dad came from there.He was a shearer that Patrick Leonard and her Mum was from there Bridget Ford.Thats all I have for now.Your website is good, I found a couple of thing like my great grandparents got Married at StPatricks church cooma on the 20th January 1896 Thanking you regards carol
Hi Carol,
Thanks for the information, I believe I have now identified Patrick's parents in our database as a result. Did your grandfather Patrick die in 1941? If so, you could acquire his death certificate which should contain details of his age and parents and where born.
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Regards, Ian
From:
Lesley Auditore
Sent: Friday, 19 April 2013 6:03 PM
Subject: new email
Hi Ian
I just recently registered with you for the monaro pioneers but we have had to change our email so I am sending you my new email.
Do i need to reregister
Thanks, Lesley
Hi Lesley,
No there is no need to re-register and I have changed your email address. For future reference, once you have logged in you can edit your own profile and make changes such as new email addresses or passwords etc.
Regards, Ian
THOMAS
From:
Marg Denley
Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013 2:14 PM
Subject: John THOMAS
Hi Ian
Just an update/change to the THOMAS Family.
Family of James THOMAS & Mary DALY
John THOMAS who married Mary Jane BELCHER [BDM2799/1878]
Mary and John THOMAS were divorced on 30 June 1903 No 4803 RG Dept No 3295/04 with John the petitioner,
Mary remarried in 1905 to James MACKEY at Braidwood NSW [BDM 6147/1905]
Daughter: Eileen J MACKEY Born 1905 Braidwood NSW [BDM21218/1905]
Died 1919 Marrickville NSW [BDM 9726/1919]
Mary Jane MACKEY (THOMAS) (nee BELCHER)
Died 1928 Hurstville NSW [BDM 20620/1928]
Cheers, Marg Denley
Hi Marg,
Thanks for the information. I think you have the wrong marriage date for James Mackey and Mary Jane Belcher, I believe it was 1904.
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If you check the MP database there are more children born to this couple prior to Mary Jane's divorce.
Regards, Ian
JACKSON
From:
Dudley
Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013 2:27 PM
Subject: RE Jackson family
Hi Ian
I am trying to trace the Jackson family whom I think resided in the Eden area during the 1800’s. The only information I have at present I have listed below. Thomas Henry Jackson is my grandfather.
1) His parents Charles Jackson and Mary Elizabeth Brotherton ( I think this is her maiden name – it is very hard to read the writing on the marriage certificate) married and had two children that I know of but may have had more.
2) The children's names were Thomas Henry Jackson born in approx 1888 reportedly in Eden but may have been Cooma. (his marriage certificate shows Eden NSW however his death certificate shows Cooma NSW ) He had an older sister called Edith.
Thomas Henry Jackson departed Australia and went to New Zealand at about the age of 18 years and never returned or contacted his family in Australia ever again. He never even spoke about his family and he died in New Zealand in 1957.
I would really appreciate if you were able to shed any light on this family so that I can begin to find some of the information required to start the piecing together of my Family Tree.
Thank you, Dudley Squire
Hi Dudley,
We have no information in our database regarding Thomas Henry Jackson or his parents and I can find no BDM Index entries that might provide any clues unfortunately.
Regards, Ian
Thank you for your efforts.
DAY
From: Greg
Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013 12:38 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Day, James (I72226)
Proposed Change: Day, James (I72226)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I72226&tree=MP
Description: James came to Australia on the Westmoorland in July 1835 as a convict . In the 1837 muster he was assigned to B Clayton. This is mentioned in his detailed obituary in 1909. In 1843 he was granted a ticket leave by the Tumut Bench.
The link between the Westmoorland and the James day who died in 1909 can be found in the 1837 muster where Dr B clayton's name is mentioned.
Greg
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
From:
John McMahon
Sent: 2013-04-15 22:26
Subject: Looking for answers
Hi
My name is John McMahon. This is the name that I grew up with,however, my birth name is John Kingston. My parents worked for a short time at Kybeyan station after immigrating from England in 1949.
I have spent many years trying to find information about my parents. My father was an Irishman and sometime in 1950 he shot himself at Kybeyan after my mother had formed a relationship with one of the other farm workers at the property.
She then disappeared and I have never been able to find any information on her whereabouts.
I don't know if she returned to England or stayed in Australia.
After the death of my father,my sister and I were put into an orphanage at Ashfield in Sydney.
For a short period I was fostered out to the McMahon's and I have used that name ever since.
I have the newspaper clippings from Cooma that spoke about my fathers death. It took me many years to find out that my father is buried in the old Cooma cemetery.
I have very few memories about my early days in the Cooma area. One of the vivid memories that I have is standing at a graveside on the side of a hill overlooking a railway yard.
I only found out about where he is buried a few years ago and due to time and business constraints I have not been able to get to Cooma.
I have not been there for many years but I hope to rectify that shortly. I wonder if anyone could tell me if the old Cooma cemetery overlooks a railyard. The memory that I have is that we were standing high on a hill. I was three years old at the time and I am now in my sixties so the vision that I have may be somewhat distorted.
The other memory that I have is from the farm at Kybeyan. I believe that we lived in a weatherboard house with several others nearby. I also think that near the old houses was a small church.
I have never been able to get any pictures of the living quarters for the workers at Kybeyan or a photo of the old Cooma cemetery to confirm my childhood memory's.
I wonder if you could supply me with any information in regard to the above matters. Any information that you could supply me would be greatly appreciated. I know that it is asking a lot but it is hard not knowing anything from an early childhood.
Kindest regards, John.
Hi David,
There is no email address for John so could you please forward this on to him.
There is a Joseph Kingston buried in the Mittagang Road Cemetery, Cooma (Catholic Section) who died July 3, 1950 aged 35. The Mittagang Road Cemetery is reasonably close to the railway line. I suggest he use Google earth to get a perspective of the area or search for Mittagang Cemetery in the places option in the MP Database which will show a Bing map he can zoom to give some details like the proximity of the railway line. Perhaps one of the newsletter readers can be more helpful.
Regards, Ian
From: Sandra May
Sent: Monday, 15 April 2013 10:13 AM
Subject: Comments (Register for New User Account)
Comments (Register for New User Account): I have made many attempts to log in using my current username and password but with no success. Tried chaning my password but no success either. I tried to open a new account but no success there either. Can you help please? Thanks, Sandra May
Hi Sandra,
Password is case sensitive, if you continue to have problems I can delete your existing signon and you can re-register.
Regards, Ian
Thanks Ian - I got in. Incidentally, under Thomas Locker there is a photo of John Locker's family taken at Hazelwood. The photo immediately under that is not Alice Locker but Daisy Locker as is the photo beside it. The standing photo of Daisy Locker shown at Generation 2, No. 22 is not Alice Locker but Daisy Locker. Alice and Daisy were my grandmother's sisters and I knew them well. Thanks for your help. Regards Sandra
Hi Sandra,
Thanks for letting us know.
Regards, Ian
From:
Barry and Margaret
Sent: Friday, 22 March 2013 3:14 PM
Subject: Snowy mountains
For several years now I have been trying to find a placement for a map I had of the Snowy Mountains leases & Permissive Occupancies.
I found the map amongst my parents effects & as it contained the names of all those who had a lease or Permissive Occupancy around 1955 I had it restored & framed.(My grandfather Amos Williams had a Permissive Occupancy lease) I guess this how it came to be in the family. I checked with my family but as it is quiet large nobody had the space to hang it, hence my decision to loan it to a museum.
In January I was referred to the Snowy Scheme Museum in Adaminaby, at that time I felt it was not applicable to that museum but took a photo of the map with me .Upon talking to the assistant curator I found we were on the same wave length that the history of the district was being forgotten .She is most enthusiastic about creating a section prior to the Scheme so I returned last week with the map & I was also able to provide her with a selection of small black & white photos of the men in the mountains with the sheep, grandfather only had sheep so no photos of cattle She is arranging to have copies made to add to what is a very small display at this stage.
With this in mind I wondered if you had a space on your website that we could advise people that there is a section being created to show the history prior to the 1947 when the Scheme started. What Tracey is looking for is old photos of the Snowy Mountains districts i.e. Berridale, Adaminaby, Jindabyne & surrounds. They can be farming, old building anything that would give an insight into what life was like.
They are also very short on volunteers so if anyone has a spare hour or two their time would be greatly appreciated.
For further detail Tracey can be contacted on:
Phone: 02 64541601
Mobile: 0423478174
Email:gleneden147@bigpond.com
Kind Regards, Margaret Parker.
Hi Margaret,
We can add your email to our next newsletter and that might help your cause. I can also put a notice on our home page if Tracey wants to send me the wording.
Regards, Ian
hi ian this is tracey from adaminaby could i have a copy of the news letter so i can see what your format is like and
yes we would like to put something in the newsletter
tracey
Hi Tracey,
There is no specific format, just an email distribution. You can send us text and or an image whatever suits you.
You can view the past newsletters via this link …..
http://www.monaropioneers.com/Newsletter/Newsletter.htm
Regards, Ian
HOSKIN/CALDWELL
From: Christine Harvey
Sent: Sunday, 14 April 2013 4:01 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Family: Hoskin, Frederick John/Caldwell, Olive Elizabeth Maria (F1049)
Proposed Change: Family: Hoskin, Frederick John/Caldwell, Olive Elizabeth Maria (F1049)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F1049&tree=MP
Description: Not all children are listed.
Missing are: Lorna May Hoskin
Edna Jane Hoskin
Mary Hoskin
Edna was my mother who passed away on 4/4/2012. She was twin to Jack Hoskin born on 18/11/1925.
Mary Hoskin was born 15th may 1927. She passed away 18/11/2011.
Christine Harvey
Thank you Christine,
Regards, Ian
MEAKER/HILL
From:
bronwyn hill
Sent: 2013-04-13 09:52
Subject: Joseph Meaker & Rachel Hill
Hi my name is Bronwyn from Australia,
I am trying to obtain any info on the family above. My gg grandfather was Rachel’s brother William . They had siblings, maryann hill, joseph Emphriam hill, mary Ellen hill. All from England. No ‘Fry’ in any name that I am sure of unless a nickname. I have no photo’s of Rachel, her siblings or parents which she would have had coming to usa to live. My line on ancestry.com is ‘the William hill descendants family tree’ or contact me on here … please I would like as much info on my family line.
William Hill & Rosanna Davis
Mary ann. hill 1828
William hill- my line- Australia 1830
Mary hill 1833
Joseph Emphriam hill – 1837 -usa
Rachel Hill 1840- m joseph Meaker – usa
Elizabeth/Isabella 1843- ?
Mary Ellen 1862 – niece to ? – usa
Please can anyone help
Cheers, Bronwyn hill
Australia
Hi Bronwyn,
All the information we have is already available on our website.
Regards, Ian
DUNSTONE
From:
Howard
Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013 5:33 PM
Subject: Dunstone Genealogy
Hello,
Please excuse my unsolicited email however I came across your interest in the Dunstone family whilst doing my own research. I am Howard J Dunstone and a decendant of an ancestor that came to Australia, who was Robert Dunstone with his wife and children in 1840.
I have attached a pdf showing my ascending tree for your perusal.
I am hoping to make contact with others doing similar research with the ultimate desire to make a connection with someone in England who has an interest in the Dunstone genealogy and may be descendant of one of the siblings of Robert Dunstone.
Most of them came from the Portloe, Veryan areas in Cornwall although there are connections with other Dunstones in other areas of Cornwall also.
I am very genuine about this research however I would understand your concerns about sharing information at this early stage. I look forward to hearing from you even if this line of research is not a direction you are currently following.
Regards, Howard
All the information we have is already available on our website.
Regards, Ian
FEENEY/BOATE
From:
Waine Summerfield
Sent: Thursday, 11 April 2013 1:25 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers
Hi Ian, My name is Waine Summerfield, I am interested in the Monaro Pioneers as I am married to Betty Feeney who’s ancesters are from Jerangle, Betty’s mother’s maiden name was Boate also from Jerangle.
I have just submitted my application for account and log in.
Kind Regards, Waine Summerfield
Thank you Waine,
Any additional information you can provide will be most appreciated.
Regards, Ian
HASLINGDENS
From: Anders Kllstrm
Sent: Wednesday, 10 April 2013 4:28 PM
Subject: Haslingdens again
Hello from Sweden Ian,
I have just created a user account on Morano Pioneers. The new database looks great!
The reason is that I wanted to check if you had any sources on James Haslingden - Mary Phillips but they never went to Australia so There was not much in your database.
During my "research" on Hannah Haslingden's genealogy I found another family tree on Ancestry where James Haslingden , b 1774, and Mary Phillips were included. So I contacted the owner, a nice lady by the name Lesley Russell, and she was willing to share any information she had on James and Mary. Unfortunately it was not what I had hoped.
My problem is that I have no verified link between James and Mary and my Hannah.
I think they are the grandparents of Hannah but cannot find any hard evidence...
In fact I have no real evidence that James haslingden (b 1808) and Mary Ann Maguire are the parents of Hannah other than circumstantial.
Anyway, if I can establish the relationship between James/Mary and Hannah there is a host of information about earlier generations of Haslingden provided by Lesley. This might interest you as well so I include it
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Here is Lesley's second letter:
Subject: RE: James Haslingden - Mary Phillips
What a wonderful story to add to the family history. Now, what can I
add to it? My information relates to earlier generations.
James and John Haslingden were born on May 20 1774 and baptized on June
4 at the Cross Street Presbyterian Chapel in Manchester. James married
Mary Phillips on December 24 1805 at St Nicholas, Liverpool. His
brother John was a witness.
The twins were the sons of John Haslingden (b. 1740) who married Ann
Dutton at Manchester Cathedral on April 17 1760. They had at least 11
children, 3 boys and 8 girls. Their first child was Sarah (b 1761) and
then there is a long gap to 1767 when Fanny was born. It's very
probable there were children born in those missing years who died at
birth but we will never know. After that the children follow thus -
Hannah 1769, Harriott 1770, Anne 1772 - 1831, the twins 1774, Lucy 1775
(who we can presume died before 1782), Betsy 1777, William 1779 and
Lucy Arabella 1782. The children were all baptized at Cross Street
Presbyterian Chapel. Their father, John was a bookbinder and
bookseller.
The only child of this marriage I have any information about is Anne
and I know nothing of further generations of Haslingdens.
Anne Haslingden married Richard Russell - another bookbinder and a
NonConformist - in London in 1806 at the Church of St Anne and St Agnes
in the Parish of St John Zachary at the Barbican. (Prior to 1837 all
Christian marriages in England, including Catholics and Nonconformists
but excepting only Quakers, had to take place in a Church of England if
they were to be legal.) It was Richard Russell's second marriage.
Witnesses were Sarah and Frances Russell and J and Kitty Haslingden.
Anne and Richard had 3 children - Edward Haslingden Russell, Henry and
Harriott. Edward stayed in England and went on to father four children,
the eldest Edward Richard becoming Lord Russell of Liverpool. Henry (my
husband gggrandfather) went to Jamaica as a missionary teacher and died
there. Harriott seems never to have married. Henry's sons, Henry and
George Alfred emigrated to Australia
- George coming first in 1859 - he was my husband's ggrandfather.
Obviously I have lots of information about these generations but of the
Haslingdens I know nothing more and I would be very interested in
anything you can tell me.
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Hope this can be useful. You may be able to find the people who came to Australia.
Weather up here finally turning a bit warmer. We have had a very cold spring so far, night temperatures down to -10C most of the time. Still a lot of snow around. But the forecast for the coming weekend is very promising.
Cheers, Anders K
Hi Anders,
Nice to hear from you again, thanks for the information but obviously we are really only interested in the branch of the family connected with the Bega region. I hope you have a pleasant spring and summer, our summer is still lingering on and hopefully it will continue for a few more weeks yet.
Regards, Ian
WITTS
From: ann-aussie (J A Tivey)
Sent: Tuesday, 9 April 2013 10:58 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Witts, Louis D. (I107222)
Proposed Change: Witts, Louis D. (I107222)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I107222&tree=MP
Description: Louis Dyts Witts born 1st July 1875 at Bombala, NSW Married
1911 Sydney to Dr Constance Clarice Binney (b 24 aug 1883 Sydney)
These are the notes I have for him:
1875 Australia Birth Index: Louis D Witts, Father Alfred E Witts, Mother Sarah A, Reg No: 8219/1875, Place: Bombala, New South Wales, Australia:
1901 The Sydney Morning Herald, Tuesday 27 August 1901, Page 6: Article - NARRABI, Monday - Mr L D Witts, who for the last six years was an accountant in the local branch of the Bank Of Australasia, has been transferred to Wagga. He was entertained on Saturday night at a complimentary ball by the leading residents, and was seen off by train on Sunday by a large and representative gathering:
1911 Australia Marriage Index: Louis D Witts, Spouse Constance C Binney, Reg
No: 8153/1911, Reg Place: Sydney, New South Wales:
1921 Sands Dirctory of Sydney & New South Wales: Witts, L D Mgr Bank of A'asia, Moree:
1923 Sydney Morning Herald, Tuesday 13 February 1923, Page 10: Country News
- Article - Mr L D Witts, who for about 14 years has managed the local branch of the Bank of Australasia, has received notice of transfer to Sale, Victoria. During his term in Moree, Mr Witts was a member of the Moree District Hospital committee and has taken as enthusiastic interest in the welfare of the institution.
1924 Australia Electoral Roll: Raymond Street, Sale, Gippsland, Victoria:
Louis Dyts Witts, Bank Manager: Constance Clarice Witts, Home Duties:
1931 Australia Electoral Roll: Raymond Street, Sale, Gippsland, Victoria:
Louis Dyts Witts, Bank Manager: Constance Clarice Witts, Home Duties:
1935 The Argus, Melbourne, Victoria, Saturday 15 June 1935, Page 18: News from the Cities: SALE - Mr L D Witts, manager of the Bank of Australasia at Sale, will retire from the service of the bank in early July:
1935 The Argus, Melbourne, Victoria, Monday 1 July 1935, Page 16: News from the Cities: SALE - A large gathering of clients of the Bank of Australia bade farewell to Mr L D Witts, retiring manager of the Sale branch and presented him with a wallet of notes and a gold watch. Mr J Thornton on behalf of the staff presented him with a bedroom clock.
1936 Australia Electoral Roll: 12 Gray Street, Brighton, Henty, Victoria:
Louis Dyts Witts, Ex-banker: Constance Clarice Witts, Home Duties: D'arcy Binney Witts, Clerk:
1937 Australia Electoral Roll: 1 Bagley Street, Brighton, Balaclava,
Victoria: Louis Dyts Witts, Ex-banker: Constance Clarice Witts, Home Duties:
John Binney Witts, Clerk:
1942 Australia Electoral Roll: 1 Bagley Street, Brighton, Balaclava,
Victoria: Louis Dyts Witts, Ex-banker: Constance Clarice Witts, Home Duties:
1949 Australia Electoral Roll: 1 Bagley Street, Brighton, Balaclava,
Victoria: Louis Dyts Witts, Ex-banker: Constance Clarice Witts, Home Duties:
Louis Binney Witts, Physician:
1954 Australia Electoral Roll: 1 Bagley Street, Brighton, Balaclava,
Victoria: Louis Dyts Witts, Ex-banker: Constance Clarice Witts, Home Duties:
Louis Binney Witts, Physician:
1962 Australia Death Index: Louis Dyts Witts, Aged 86, Father Edw Alfred,
Mother: Sarah Ann Tivey, Reg No: 2001/1962, Place: Melbourne, Victoria:
Children of Louis & Constance:
1) John Binney Witts born 5 Apr 1913 Glebe, nsw died 18 May 1994 NSW
2) Darcy Binney Witts (AKA Peter) born 1915 died 23 Jun 1941 Tobruk, Libya:
NOTES: Commonwealth Grave's Commission: - Name: WITTS, D'ARCY BINNEY
Initials: D B Nationality: Australian Rank: Private Regiment/Service:
Australian Infantry Unit Text: A.I.F. 2/13 Bn. Age: 26 Date of Death:
23/06/1941 Service No: NX23558 Additional information: Son of Louis Dyts Witts and Dr. Constance Clarice Witts, of Brighton Beach, Victoria, Australia. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: 4.
D. 8. Cemetery: TOBRUK WAR CEMETERY
The Argus, Melbourne, Victoria Tuesday 15 July 1941: Family Notice: WITTS - On June 23, killed in action in Libya, D'Arcy Binney (Peter) Witts, loved son of Constance and Louis, brother of John and Louis (Paul) of 1 Bagley Street, Brighton Beach, Victoria:
3)Lewis Binney Witts (Dr) AKA Paul born 1915 Moree
Hope this is of use!
ann-aussie (J A Tivey)
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
From:
Richard Lamb
Sent: 2013-04-09 14:53
To: nleditor@monaropioneers.com
Subject: Newsletter Contribution
Dear David
I have just seen the Monaro Pioneers website and its a very good one. A couple of Brooks family members who use your site ( some descended from Richard Brooks Gegedzerick 1827) and presumably members of your group have suggested I ask you to put an entry in your Monaro Pioneers Newsletter to announce the publication of a book I have written on Richard Brooks and his family, father of the Gegedzerick Richard Brooks .
The book deals only with the Brooks English family background of Brooks and his wife Christiana nee Passmore as there has been confusion over this for many years as indicated on your website - this book clears up most of that confusion. The Australian Dictionary of Biography has been asked to change the wording in the Richard Brooks entry
Can I send you please a few lines on the book for inclusion in your newsletter? ...up to say 8 lines? .....
There are a just a few copies available but I am quite happy to give the Monaro Pioneers a copy for your reference library should you have one. Please note I am not a member of the Brooks family nor undertaking any commercial research for them. The book is in the National Library catalogue with copies held by them as well as the State Library NSW. However some Brooks family members may want their own copy
Regards and look forward to hearing from you
Richard Lamb
Richard Brooks A new book has just been published called “Eighteenth Century Mariners and Merchants – The English Family Background of Richard Brooks and Christiana Passmore – Devon Dorset London Newfoundland” which should be of great interest to Brooks family historians. It was prepared as background for a biographical project on Richard Brooks in Australia including his son Richard who settled on the Monaro but it developed a life of its own. The book deals only with their English family background and the Australian Dictionary of Biography requires significant amendment with a wealth of new source material, most of which is illustrated in this publication. For example Richard Brooks was not the son of an impoverished clergyman nor was he in the East India Co or the Royal Navy. In addition, the Passmores are much more interesting than suspected and the Pensons left their mark on Australian marine exploration. Copies are in the National Library of Australia and the State Library of NSW but those interested can obtain a copy direct from the author Richard Lamb at brookpass@outlook.com for $20 which includes postage within Australia; it is 70 pages A4 paperback .
From:
Richard Lamb
Sent: 2013-04-29 16:29
Subject: Re: Newsletter Contribution - Richard Brooks
Hi David
An update on my contribution for your next MP newsletter -----the Australian Dictionary of Biography has now amended the Richard Brooks entry as a result of my book and subsequent interventions-----am rather chuffed as it doesn’t happen that often -----am sure your newsletter subscribers would wish to be informed about that new development ---please see the ADB’s email below.....
regards Richard Lamb
Dear Richard,
Karen Fox passed your query regarding Richard Brooks over to me.
Thank-you for all the time and effort you have put into addressing the errors in this entry. Thank-you also for sending us a copy of your book. Would you like me to send it back to you, or can we keep it on file for future reference?
The ADB has a strict policy of only correcting matters of factual error; unfortunately we do not add new information to old entries. Therefore I have only been able to make some of the changes you suggested.
The new text of paragraph one will read:
Richard Brooks (1765?-1833), mariner, merchant and settler was born at Withycombe Raleigh (later Exmouth), Devon, England, second surviving son of Henry Brooks, mariner, and his wife Honoria, both English-born. Richard sailed on his father’s ship, Henry and Honoria (later Honoria), from an early age, and others, rising to become captain. During the first French revolutionary war he traded to Oporto, the Mediterranean, and the Baltic. He began his association with New South Wales in 1801-02 when he captained …
It is not our usual policy to name a subject's father-in-law, therefore paragraph 3, line 4/5 will now read:
Allowed to go, he arrived in March 1814 with his wife Christiana, nee Passmore, and children in the Spring.
All your other suggestions have been noted and will be taken into account when the entry is eventually rewritten. In the meantime, your correspondence will be placed on file for the benefit of future researchers.
Kind regards,
Rani
Dr Rani Kerin
Research Fellow, National Centre of Biography
Research Editor, Australian Dictionary of Biography
GOODWIN
From:
Roslyn Mullen
Sent: Monday, 8 April 2013 12:09 PM
Subject: Family of William Goodwin (1828-1909).
Hi Ian,
Thank you for all your work and David’s work on the site upgrades and newsletter.
I am a great- great grandchild of William Goodwin late of “Tumbledown” and I am offering a suggestion for Jan Kociumbas’s e-mail enquire in the last newsletter about burials on her property.
I am not aware of any burials on that property, but ask if they are adult or infant size graves?
William’s adult daughter did live on the property around 1896, from family notes of her son (James Clifton Porter), as I believe he was born there.
Her name was Alice Christina Porter nee Goodwin and she died in Cooma in 1903.
Alice gave birth in 1894 to Eric V Goodwin, he died in 1894 in Cooma.
Alice gave birth to Beryl Porter in 1903 and she who died in Cooma in 1904 (some ancestry sites suggest she died in Bathurst, NSW).
Have these deaths been suggested to Jan? (I have not searched for their places of rest.)
If not please forward my details and e-mail.
Also, I have recently purchased a copy of the reprinted book on Numeralla “In those Days...” and would like to thank the original committee and the committee who reprinted the book, as I found it of great interest.
Regards Roslyn Mullen.
Hi Roslyn,
I have copied Jan on this email.
Regards, Ian
GIRVAN
From:
Jan and Neil Reid
Sent: Sunday, 7 April 2013 5:48 PM
Subject:
Hi Ian
Thanks I was able to access the Girvan site. Some months ago someone wrote re proof of Robert's parents.
I believe they are not on the shipping record but are on the immigration report which is not in very good condition, but just readable. I have always believed that his parents were William & Jane, and if you follow the nornal Scottish custom you will see that there 1st girl was named Margaret after the maternal grandmother. The next child, a son, was named William after the paternal grandfather. The next girl child is usually named after the maternal grandmother and sure enough is named Jane. I have believed this to be correct for some time, and I suggest that the person concerned checks the immigration record or applies for a Scottish birth certificate as Robert has been listed as being born in Old Cummock, Ayrshire Scotland. His death certificate in Australia is worth a look but parents names are not always listed.
Could you please let me know if anything was resolved re this enquiry, or put me in touch with the person concerned
Many thanks, Regards
Jan Reid Sydney
Hi Jan,
Your email will appear in the next newsletter and that may bring forth a contact for you.
Regards, Ian
DAWKING/FRANCIS
From: Robyn Shaw
Sent: Sunday, 7 April 2013 8:25 AM
Subject: The Monara site
Hello Ian, I saw your site in my search for family treeing and my lot is Dawking and Francis. For some reason I cannot click to join.
OK...William Dawking married Martha Francis at Cooma. They had 3 kids and she somehow left Dawking and went to Qld and took up with a fellow named Thompson. In 1930 when her son William Leslie married here, calling himself Leslie William, he stated that his father was a Robert William Thompson and his mother was Martha Theresa Francis, her maiden name not her married name...why? We don't know.
Dawking died in 1926 and Martha died in 1946, here in Qld, but not before she took up with a James Gray (my line) in 1931 and married him at Rockhampton saying she was 41...she WAS actually 57...again why, have no idea...her funeral notice says Patricia Gray not Martha, but she was known as Tereacher....again have no idea why.
MAYBE....MAYBE someone on your site has a rellie from the kids....Martha had heaps of siblings all around Cooma so some of them must be living now. Can you please join me to the site. I have spent hours tracing this lady, with false names and dates, and finally I think I have most of it sorted.
I would like tyo give you my email, it is shawforsure@gmail.com
Can you please join me as my computer does not let me click that line to join myself. If you join me maybe then I can log in and put my family there just to see if any members are still in the district.
Thank you. Robyn Shaw. Toowoomba.
Hi Robyn,
The Monaro website was undergoing maintenance this morning but is back on line now. You can now register for a sign on using the link on database search page. This email will appear in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers can help you.
Regards, Ian
JAMIESON
From:
Carolyn Brereton
Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 10:00 PM
Subject: Jamiesons
Hello Ian,
I note that Neil Jamieson is researching an Alexander Jamieson From County Monaghan. My great, great grandmother was Rebecca Jamieson. She married John Irvin whose mother’s maiden name was Rebecca Jamieson. They arrived (from County Tyrone) in the Wollongong area in 1853. Rebecca’s mother’s maiden name was Ellen Hurst.
When researching the family I found another Rebecca Jamieson arrived in 1850 with five children. Her husband Edward did not accompany her. He may have died in Ireland. On immigration documents Rebecca stated she had a nephew in Wollongong. His name was George Graham. His mother was Ann Jamieson. This Rebecca’s mother’s maiden name was Rebecca Hurst.
I feel many of the Jamiesons that came here were related and I wonder if Neil has any information that would help in establishing this connection. Would you include this email in the next Newsletter please.
Many thanks, Carolyn Brereton
Hi Carolyn,
Yes we will include your email in the next newsletter.
Regards, Ian
From:
Max Rowe
Sent: Saturday, 6 April 2013 10:57 PM
Subject: History of Snowy Mountains
Hello
I was very interested in Margaret Parkers email requesting photos etc. about the above.
Perhaps you could ask her to email me. My father, Eddie Rowe also had a "Snow Lease" at Snowy Plain and I can clearly remember the red coloured snow lease maps.
Ask her to look at the photographs in the pioneers index under E ROWE
Max Rowe
Hi Max,
I have copied Margaret on this email for you.
Regards, Ian
SWASBRICK
From: Patrice Morrow
Sent: Friday, 5 April 2013 9:46 PM
Subject: Swasbrick
Hi Ian,
First I would like to congratulate & thank you for a great site. I have a question re the unknown Swasbrick in the Pioneer records. This is my gr
grandfather x3. His name was John William born in Ampleforth Yorkshire in 1809. Is he included only because his wife Mary Regan went on to marry Ham Freebody, the Freebodys being pioneers of the area. I ask because we can't find any record of John in Nsw. His marriage to Mary Regan was in Melb. In 1842 but his death certificate says he spent 10 yrs in Nsw then 25 in Vic, so that has him arriving in the Colony c1831. I am related to the McIntyres in the index who pioneered c 1836 at Tuggeranong and am wondering if John maybe came to this area too as Mcintyres daughter ended up at Mitta Mitta and the families intermarried. It's a long shot but I am getting desperate!
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Patrice Morrow
Hi Patrice,
All the information we have is displayed on our site, not much help to you unfortunately.
Regards, Ian
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