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Monaro Pioneers Newsletter

2013 Number 6

 REQUESTS:

SNOWY MOUNTAINS MUSEUM

From: Barry and Margaret

Sent: Sunday, 2 June 2013 4:09 PM

Subject: The Snowy Mountains Museum .rtf

Hi Ian

Would you please place this on the Monaro Pioneers home page for us please

Thanks Tracey & Margaret

The Snowy Mountains Museum at Adaminaby has been purpose built to show the history of the planning & subsequent building of the Snowy Mountains Scheme. The museum covers the period from 1947 to current times.

However it has been recognised that the period prior to this is in danger of being forgotten with the concentration these days being focussed on the Scheme.

With this in mind a section has been allocated to show the history prior to 1947.

At present the display is quite small, what is required are old photos of the Snowy Mountains districts, i.e. Berridale Adaminaby Jindabyne & surrounding districts.  Ideally looking for old buildings, old farming techniques, family records or diary’s anything that that would give an insight into what life was like.

If you have anything of that nature that you think may be of interest please contact Tracey ( asst. Curator)

Phone: 02 64541601   Email: gleneden147@bigpond.com

Ps the museum is also very short on volunteers if you can spare an hour or two occasionally please contact Tracey.

WEH / HOFMEIER REUNION

A reunion to mark 130 years of the Weh / Hofmeier family settling in Woolgoolga is to be held on Saturday 31^st August 2013 at Woolgoolga Bowling Club.

For all descendants of – Anna Maria Weh, her youngest daughter Anna Martha married John Adam Hofmeier.

Other siblings were John Weh, Louisa Weh. August Weh married Elizabeth Carlyon and resided in Warialda district.

For All enquiries Contact Darrell & Pat Davis 0402 022 008 or email jaycoranger@hotmail.com

Part of the Weh family settled on the north coast of NSW. But John and Louisa we know very little about other then they resided in Australia according to their mothers obituary and were still alive at time of their mothers death in 1886 according to her death certificate. We thought it was a possibility there could be somebody who might be checking your web site and have info or know of the family.

ROBINSON FAMILY REUNION

Current correspondence:

From: Elaine Schofield
Sent: 2013-07-04 2:27 PM
Subject: Change in Details re Monaro Books and Music

Dear David,
I've just found out that Monaro Books and Music have closed unexpectedly so have arranged for the book "in those days" to be sold from another book store in Cooma.

Would you please put the new details on monaropioneers if possible. I understand this may be too late for the July newsletter.
 
Sam Hutchinson at Pages of Life, 130 Sharp St Cooma NSW 2630
ph 02 64524283
email PAGESOFLIFE@GMAIL.COM
Website  PAGESOFLIFE.COM.AU
 
Many thanks.
Regards
Elaine Schofield.
 

WEATHERHEAD

From: Kellie

Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013 9:36 AM

Subject: Alexander WEATHERHEAD I78589

Hi Ian,

I was running though this and found something a bit iffy..

Marriage for Alexander to Margaret BICKERTON 3 June 1833 Saint Nicholas,Newcastle Upon Tyne,Northumberland,England

but then 2 baptisms

  a.. NameWm. Weatherhead

  b.. GenderMale

  c.. Christening Date22 Mar 1834

  d.. Christening PlaceSt. Helen, Auckland, Durham, England

  e.. Father: Alexander Weatherhead

  f.. Mother: Margt. Bickerton

  a.. NameIsabella Weatherhead

  b.. GenderFemale

  c.. Christening Date22 Mar 1834

  d.. Christening PlaceSt. Helen, Auckland, Durham, England

  e.. Father: Alexander Weatherhead

  f.. Mother: Margt. Bickerton

  g..

Either these 2 died and they had another William and Isabella in Australia or it is the wrong Margaret as mother.

  a..

Kellie

Hi Kelly,

I believe I have found the immigration details for Alexander and Margaret, they arrived on the "David Scott" October 30, 1834 in Sydney but no mention of any children.  These two children could have been christened twice in different denominations.

Regards,  Ian

On second thoughts I think the most likely scenario is these two children died before the parents left England.   I found the records you refer to on the Familysearch website and there are later birth dates for the subsequent children with the same name.

Regards,  Ian

WARBURTON

From: Cathrine Constable

Sent: Wednesday, 3 July 2013 1:41 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Warburton, Esther (I8981)

Proposed Change: Warburton, Esther (I8981)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I8981&tree=MP

Description: Evening News (Sydney, NSW : 1869 - 1931), Wednesday 27 July

1898

BOMBALA,- Wednesday - A girl, 14 years of age, daughter of a solector named John Warburton, was frightfully burned on Monday night at Crankie's Plains.  She was sitting on the hob of the fireplace, when her dress caught fire. A younger sister ran a mile to a neighbor's house for assistance, but when help arrived, her clothing was entirely burnt off. The unfortunate girl died yesterday In great agony.

Cathrine Constable

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

BREEN

From: Michael / Maureen Jennings
Sent: Tuesday, 2 July 2013 9:01 PM
Subject: Michael Joseph BREEN

G'day

1.    In your Monaro Pioneers database you have the following death entry

Michael Joseph BREEN  ID I442

Died 1924 Newcastle

2.    This death date is possibly incorrect and is more likely to be 15 September 1930 Randwick (South Kensington). I base this on the following death notice extracted from the Sydney Morning Herald newspaper of 16 September 1930 in the Archives (TROVE) of the National Library of Australia.

Death notice in SMH 16 September 1930: BREEN -September 15 1930, at his residence, 42 Lorrodalo Road. South Kensington, Michael, beloved husband of Emma, and loving father of Dan, Jim. Hilda, Mick, Ted, Eileen, Bert and Leo, after a long illness At rest.

3.    In other words, in the death notice, the family name of Breen and given names (of husband, wife and the 6 children albeit with nick/pet names) all match the family data under your Michael Joseph Breen ID I442 database entry.

4.    I suspect that this Michael Joseph Breen (died 1930) is in fact the son of Daniel Breen and Mary Byrnes, born 1 August 1861 in Moruya (registered Broulee) with the possibility of a tie to my Joseph McKee - Mary Ann Breen (Kiss) ancestors/family of Nimmitabel.  I base this on the first of the following two entries in the NSW BDM historical index for 1930

5.    Because of the use of same given names within families and across generations, there may be a number of Michael J/Joseph Breen/s from the Monaro district.  I will apply to the NSWBDM for the 1930 death record and also the 1890 marriage record to Emma (Jess).  I will let you know further about my speculations when I receive these records.

6.    In the meantime, I would appreciate you advising me whether the BREEN family information in your database is based solely on lookups of the NSWBDM Historical Index or whether there has been some input from outside contributors to the database. In this connection, and if my speculations prove out, I would like to test my findings with those contributors.

Cheers,  Michael Jennings

Hi Michael,

I believe you are correct in your assumptions and I will amend our records accordingly.  There is no contact information for that family so I am unable comment on how the original information was obtained.  I can add a copy of the certificates you have ordered to our database if you wish to send them to me.

Do you have any further information on Daniel Breen and Mary Byrnes?

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM 

From: Patricia McGufficke
Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 2:53 PM
Subject: Outline Descendant Report (Family Tree Maker)

Outline Descendant Report created by Family Tree Maker.

Hope this is okay.

Kind regards, Pat

PS  I’m still trying to sort out our differences with James Charles Ingram. 

Hi Patricia,

Does your Family Tree software produce any other descendant report formats?  The reason I ask is the Outline Descendant report whilst good, does not detail the parents for spouses which is particularly helpful in connecting the dots in our database.

Regards,  Ian

Okay, let me work on it.  Meanwhile, I think I’ve sorted out James Charles Ingram.  The James Charles who served in WW2 was definitely born 22 Oct 1911 to Charles Ingram and Ada Isabella Scott.  His enlistment papers have been digitised and can be seen online and it notes his father as NOK living in Bunyip, Bonang.  It also shows his NOK is changed to his wife Olive Joyce, and that they married 22 Oct 1943 in Victoria.  There is a photo in the records for anyone wanting one.

Yahoo.  My apologies, as I had him with incorrect parents.  You have him with incorrect wife. I am now very sure his wife is Olive Joyce Peisley.

Pat

MALLYON 

From: Mary Nicholls
Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 10:36 AM
Subject: Mallyon Family Yass, Pioneers Newsletter 2013 Number 5

Re: Pioneers Newsletter 2013 Number 5

(Item Copied below)

MALLYON

From: Sandra Berner
Sent: Tuesday, 4 June 2013 5:41 PM
Subject: Mallyon family - Yass

Dear Ian

I am writing from Berry on the south coast of NSW.  One of our local identities Irene Amy Mallyon was born in Yass in 1897 and she came to live in Berry in 1920/1930’s.

I am researching her history and I understood the Mallyon family were a pioneering family in the Yass area.

I would be grateful if you could point me in the direction of any information regarding the Mallyons.

Many thanks,  Sandra Berner

Hi Sandra,

I suggest you use our database search facility at www.monaropioneers.com

Regards,   Ian

.........

Please pass onto Sandra Berner, the following information about, Mallyon family – Yass.

In 2010, Robin Butt, reproduced, all the diaries kept by James Richard MALLYON (1869 – 1949). This man was the father of Irene Amy MALLYON (b. 1897).

The book, over 300 pages long, titled “News and Gossip of Old Yass”, is available for purchase online from, Botanical Bookshop in Canberra. Just Google.

Regards, Mary Nicholls

Thank you Mary,

I have copied Sandra on this email.

Regards,  Ian

Dear Ian

What a find.  Thank you, and of course Mary, so much.

I have let things drift for a bit, been busy, but this will definitely get me back on track.

Very best wishes, 

Sandra Berner.

INGRAM

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 12:52 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, L.E. (I87840)

Proposed Change: Ingram, L.E. (I87840)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87840&tree=MP

Description: Lucy Edith Ingram born 1924 died Jul 2011 Bombala.  Robert Elliott Champion died 27 Oct 2005 Bombala.

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Monday, 1 July 2013 12:48 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, Francis John (I87835)

Proposed Change: Ingram, Francis John (I87835)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87835&tree=MP

Description: Francis John Ingram baptised 10 Jul 1908 Bombala, married Kathleen Hannah Hooper.  He served in the Military as a Private No. NX66292 from 9 Dec 1940 to 16 Apr 1942, 2/12 Field Company

Francis announced his engagement to Kathleen Hooper in January 1953.

INGRAM-HOOPER.  The Engagement is announced of Kathleen, younger daughter of Mrs Hooper of Burwood, late of Delegate, and the late Ernest Hooper, to Francis John Ingram, second son of Mr and Mrs R.F. Ingram of Tombong.

Francis John Ingram named on World War II Delegate and District Honour Roll.

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM

From: Blyton, Ian and Rae

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 8:17 PM

Subject: Re: Proposed Change: Ingram, John Edwin (I264283)

Hi

In reply to you email, John EDWIN Ingram was my uncle and he was married to Joyce Magdalen Ward. His birth date is correct and his parents were John David Ingram and Lavinia Edna Elvira Targett. ( my grandparents). John was only married once and is buried in the C of E section of the Nimmitabel cemetery. His wife Joyce is buried beside her first husband in the Catholic section of the Nimmitabel cemetery. John is buried beside his parents. He died on 16 May 1986 Hope this helps with your query

Regards Rae Blyton

Thank you Rae, that information was very helpful and joined a few more dots.  Just one question though, the burial records we have show John Edwin's death as May 23, 1987, which date is correct?

http://www.monaropioneers.com/burial.records/Burial105.htm

Regards, Ian

INGRAM

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 3:52 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, John Edwin (I264283)

Proposed Change: Ingram, John Edwin (I264283)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I264283&tree=MP

Description: I was told this photo was of John Arthur Ingram born 15 Sep

1927 Delegate to John David Ingram and Lavinia Edna Targett and that he married Thelma Alice Joiner in 1956 in Delegate, NSW.

Patricia McGufficke

Hi Patricia,

I suggest you discuss the authenticity of the photo with the contributor Rae Blyton as I am not in a position to comment. What I can say is whilst there is a marriage of a John Andrew Ingram to Thelma Alice Joiner in Delegate in 1956, John Edwin Ingram who married Joyce Magdalen Ward in Burwood in 1959 is buried in the Nimmitabel Cemetery (CofE) along with his wife and his parents John David Alfred Ingram (Jack) and Lavinia Edna Elvira Targett.   The dod shown for John Edwin gives a birth date consistent with the birth date we show, September 15, 1927.

Source - http://www.monaropioneers.com/burial.records/Burial105.htm

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2013 10:48 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, Ronald Douglas (I2270)

Proposed Change: Ingram, Ronald Douglas (I2270)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I2270&tree=MP

Description: Married Dorothy Anne Ryan 25 April 1931.

Delegate Argus, Thu. 7 May 1931, p.2.

INGRAM-RYAN.  Rev. A.J. Barrett officiated at the Bibbenluke Presbyterian Church on Saturday, 25th April, when Miss Dorothy Anne Ryan, younger daughter of the late W. Edwin Ryan and Mrs. Ryan, of Bibbenluke, was married to Mr. Ronald Douglas Ingram, eldest son of Mr. and Mrs R.F. Ingram, of Tombong, Delegate.

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2013 10:33 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, Vincent Langhorn (I169232)

Proposed Change: Ingram, Vincent Langhorn (I169232)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I169232&tree=MP

Description: Vincent Langhorn d. 22 Nov 1969 Canberra, ACT.  Married Sarah Eileen Groves b. 10 Jun 1914 Bombala, dau. of Aden I.E. Groves and Sarah A. Rowe.  Sarah Eileen died 21 Feb 2003, Dalmeny near Eden, NSW

INGRAM Sarah Eileen Death notice 21FEB2003 Death 88  late of Dalmeny Moruya Examiner 05MAR2003 

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2013 10:22 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, Robert Leslie (I37310)

Proposed Change: Ingram, Robert Leslie (I37310)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I37310&tree=MP

Description: Robert Leslie Vere Ingram d. 5 May 1984, Erica, Victoria, occupation Forest worker.  M. Jean Estelle Turnbull b. 14 Nov 1908 Bombala, d. 21 Jun 1966 Sale Victoria.

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM
From: Patricia McGufficke
Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2013 5:49 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, James Charles (I87878)

Proposed Change: Ingram, James Charles (I87878)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87878&tree=MP

Description: Sorry to keep on about his date of death, but the James Ingram who died Sydney 25 May 1955 is the son of James Charles and Edith Kezia Ingram (NSW death regn.) He was born in Sydney.  There is a James Ingram born Sydney who enlisted WW2.  From 1930, this James was a postal official in Sydney, his last address being in Coogee. He married Olive Jean Mary Brummell.  In 1980 she was living in Adaminaby.

James Charles Ingram enlisted in Victoria and it was this James who married Olive Joyce Peisley.  As Peisley is also common Monaro name, and as my James Charles' brother also married a Peisley, I feel certain that VX33412 James is the son of John Charles and Annie Heathfield Elliott.

James' brother, Raymond Cyril Ingram, also enlisted.

Pat

Hi Patricia,

Thanks for the input, I have removed the death details from this James Charles Ingram. 

However, I still cannot agree with your conclusion that he married Olive Joyce Peisley unfortunately.   The NSW BDM Index has the birth of "our other" James Charles Ingram born in 1911 (parents Charles Ingram and Ada Isabella Scott) and his Military record from the WW2 nominal roll shows his DOB as October 22, 1911 Bombala, and NOK Olive.

We have Raymond Cyril Ingram to whom you refer in our database (parents John Charles Ingram and Annie Heathfield Elliott) born October 31, 1911 in Bombala.

Now if James Charles (Id 87878) was the one shown on the nominal roll his birth date is 9 days before his older brother, which I believe is extremely difficult medically if not impossible and as you can see the reference numbers are not consecutive indicating they were not twins and you can also see the parents are definitely different.

Now, of course, the Nominal roll could be wrong but only the birth, marriage and/or death certificates can provide conclusive proof either way.

In my examination of the electoral rolls I can only find 2 James Charles Ingram's….

The Electoral rolls for 1937 show the 2 James Charles Ingram  ….

and the one listed in Lang District, NSW I have discounted as the one who died in 1955 as you mentioned.  The other living in Gippsland district is the one of interest.

The 1936 electoral roll shows "our" James Charles and his brother Roy Scott Ingram (parents Charles Ingram and Ada Isabella Scott) living in Buchan along with his brother-in-law Charles Wilbram Ingram and his brother Arthur Thomas (parents Henry Ingram and Mary Ann Harriet Marriott)  ….

as does 1937 roll … but now James Charles' sister Isabel May who married Charles Wilbram is also listed.

The 1937 Roll shows John Charles Ingram and Annie Heathfield Elliott living at "Broad View" Bombala with a number of their children but no James Charles.

I am beginning to wonder if John Charles and Annie Elliott did in fact have a son called James Charles at all?

Regards,  Ian

SHINFIELD

From: Patricia McGufficke  

Sent: Sunday, 30 June 2013 4:42 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Shinfield, Sarah (I87812)

Proposed Change: Shinfield, Sarah (I87812)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87812&tree=MP

Description: Delegate Argus, Thu. 7 Dec 1933, p2

Mrs Edwin Ingram died suddenly on Tuesday night last at her home at Tubbut.

The funeral takes place at the Delegate cemetery this afternoon.

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

WROE
From: R & C Wroe
Sent: Sunday, 29 May 2011 10:31 AM
Subject: Monaro WWII Enlistees

Good Morning Ian, 

I am the descendant of Robert Hulme Wroe my GGG circa 1800 Lancashire1862 Bombala & Betty Hoolihan parents of John Wroe my GG circa 1825 Oldham Lancashire Berridale 11/6/1896 wife 1 Esther Hulme (wife 2 Mary Ann Wheatley) John is the father of my GG Robert Wroe circa 1849  14/6/1904 Bobundarah wife 1 Betsy Jones/Ives Wife 2 Margaret Stoddard (Stottart Stoddart?) My Grandfather Henry George Carrington Wroe was the youngest child of Roberts 2nd marriage.

I'd like to add the following names to the Monaro WWII Enlistees, subject to your approval:-

Name                      Service Number     DOB         Place of Birth     Service              

Wroe, Arthur Ronald V82223                6 2/10/1901  Dalgety              Army ***

Wroe, Arthur Ronald VX480                  6 2/10/1905     a/a                  a/a   ***

Wroe, Eric Raymond N380509              6/08/1923    Jimenbuan           a/a

Wroe, Hubert William N322015             14/11/1892   Dalgety               a/a

Wroe, Jack D'arcy     N150475              17/07/1923   Cooma               a/a

Wroe, James Henry   138124                3/10/1925    Cooma              RAAF

Wroe, Thomas ErnestNX60228             29/03/1906   Dalgety             Army (Is Listed)

Wroe, William Austin N380020             17/10/1897   Cooma                a/a

          Clyde

Wroe William James N448727              16/02/1909   Cooma                a/a  (Is Listed)

Wroe, William Thomas NX134490         24/07/1918   Delegate              a/a ###

Wroe, William Thomas NX32366           24/07/1918   Delegate              a/a ###

Source for the is information is the World War 2 Nominal Roll which I obtained 27/02/2005

Also please note the Hubert William Wroe served in WWI Service No 6344A 13th Battalion which is listed in the WWI entry.  

NB *** & ### I think are the same persons

Robert H Wroe

Hi Robert,

Thank you for the information, I have updated the Wroe page on our website and the WW2 enlistees list will also reflect these soldiers when I next run the update process for that report.   Do you know who the parents were of Eric Raymond Wroe and William Thomas Wroe?

Regards,  Ian

Hello Ian,

I have been trying to find out the parents of William Thomas WROE & Eric Raymond Wroe but have had no luck to-date.  I'll keep searching.

Regards, Robert  Wroe

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

Hello Ian,

Still researching William Thomas Wroe without much luck (when I get a chance), I did find his marriage details & I think that he may of been discharged from the Army?   With regards to Eric Raymond Wroe, his wife Rita & son Raymond live in Berridale, should they be contacted regarding his details? 

Regards,  Robert Wroe

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 4:09 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, E.H. (I204823)

Proposed Change: Ingram, E.H. (I204823)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I204823&tree=MP

Description: Eric Henry born 11 Jun 1923 Bombala, died 11 Jan 1974 Canberra, ACT, buried RSL Section, Woden Cemetery,  Eric did not marry.

Patricia McGufficke

Thank you again Patricia, your additional information has been very helpful and your continued support is much appreciated, brought some much needed sunshine into my dreary (very wet and miserable) day.

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 4:01 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, M. (I87887)

Proposed Change: Ingram, M. (I87887)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87887&tree=MP

Description: Maxwell Ingram was born 23 Jul 1926 in Orbost, Vic, died 14 May

1970 Canberra, ACT.

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 3:59 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, Arthur Henry McDonnell (I37308)

Proposed Change: Ingram, Arthur Henry McDonnell (I37308)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I37308&tree=MP

Description: Arthur died in Buchan, Victoria.  He was a farmer.

COUNCILLOR DIES.  Councillor Arthur H Ingram, of Timbarra, who represented the Buchan Riding in the Tambo Shire Council, died suddenly on Wednesday night.  He was aged 51 years.  He is survived by his widow and an adult family.

The Argus (Melbourne), Fri 23 Sep 1949 p15

Sarah Jane Clear died in Bairnsdale, Victoria

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 3:38 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, Vida Coral (I264262)

Proposed Change: Ingram, Vida Coral (I264262)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I264262&tree=MP

Description: I think death date is incorrect.  There were 2 in Ryerson - the one you have in 1983 aged 85 which gives a birth date around 1898 and the other

LYONS Vida (Coral) Funeral notice 02JAN2008 Death 90  late of Bulahdelah, formerly of The Junction Newcastle Herald 04JAN2008 giving a birthdate around 1918 which is correct.

The 1949 Electoral Roll has Coral living at Merewether, Newcastle.

Jack was an insurance agent and traveled away for work. During the Second World War, Coral and children Allen and Glenda moved to Nimmitabel to be near Coral's parents. Allen and Glenda attended Nimmitabel Public School for a short time before moving to live in Newcastle. Allen and Glenda spent many school holidays with their grand-parents at "Rockleigh".

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 3:27 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, William Wilfred (I84071)

Proposed Change: Ingram, William Wilfred (I84071)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I84071&tree=MP

Description: Wilfred was born in the Monaro district and went to the Towamba Valley when he was 11 years old, staying there till the age of 68, when he returned to the Monaro.  He married Dorothy South in 1986 at the age of 71 for companionship (told by Wilf to my parents).

An article in the Wyndham Observer (date unknown) stated that Wilf spent his life among stock around the Nungatta, Perico and Towamba area and for years cared for stock on Alf Alexander's property which was part of the original Pericoe Station.  His knowledge of sheep, cattle and horses was wide and was published in a booklet, "Hoof Beats and Whip Cracks from the Past" which incorporated instructions on horse handling and training.  His life in the outdoors had made him very observant and he "can talk cattle and horses till the cows come home".  He corresponded with Roy De Bere of Marsden Park for many years after replying to a letter in the Sydney Mail.

He suffered a loss in 1939 when his home was destroyed in the Ash Wednesday bushfires.  (Sydney Morning Herald, 12 Jan 1939).

Ash Wednesday.  The homes of 6 families were destroyed in the Bega district. Those whose houses were lost included Messrs. L. King, South, Wilfred Ingram & George Arnold.  At Perico and Towamba, 27 men, women & children are homeless.  The school building was also destroyed.

An article by Wilf Ingram, published in the Bombala Times in 1981 described the trip by road from the coast to Bombala as follows:

          "In the period 1832-60 all the roads from the coastal ports of Eden, Pambula and Merimbula junctioned at the Roan Horse Inn at South Pambula, thence took the route to Honeysuckle, near Wyndham, thence to the Stockyard Inn at the Rocky Hall crossing Cow Bail Creek through the Coal Hole, climbing the ridge to the Chimneys...then on to the top of Woolingubrah, thence to George and Dragon Inn at Cathcart, and finally to Bombala".

Cathcart was on the main passenger route from Bombala to Sydney, by coastal steamer from Merimbula or Tathra.  Its population in 1884 included:  3 accommodation-house proprietors, a hotel-keeper, 3 storekeepers, a post master, a butcher, 3 road contractors, a carpenter, a boot maker, a dress maker, a produce dealer, 3 sawmill proprietors, a limeburner, a blacksmith, and 5 carriers. (1884 Post Office Directory).

My parents met Wilf in 1988 at his home in Bombala named "Fifield House".

He was quite a character, wearing a wide-brimmed hat with corks dangling from the brim to keep the flies away from his face. 

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

APPLEBY
From: Patricia McGufficke
Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 3:06 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Appleby, Violet (I87783)

Proposed Change: Appleby, Violet (I87783)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87783&tree=MP

Description: Violet Gertrude Appleby b. 7 Apr 1929 Bega, died 5 Aug 2007 Canberra, ACT.  M. Charles Albert Douch 15 May 1947 Bega, NSW.

Violet daughter of William Appleby and Violet Smith

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

I think you mean Martha Gertrude Smith, not Violet Smith.

Regards,  Ian

KIMBER

From: Patricia McGufficke 

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 2:49 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Family: Kimber, George/O'Connor, Eliza (F34967)

Proposed Change: Family: Kimber, George/O'Connor, Eliza (F34967)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F34967&tree=MP

Description: George Kimber born 20 May 1832 West Hoathly, Sussex, England.

Married 14 Nov 1865 Bombala Eliza Connor born 1835 Cork, Ireland, died 7 Nov

1927 Bombala.  Child:  Jessie Kimber born 5 Jul 1873 Bombala, died 3 Dec

1919 Bombala.

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

DOUCH

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 2:45 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Douch, Aileen Ann (I25285)

Proposed Change: Douch, Aileen Ann (I25285)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I25285&tree=MP

Description: Aileen born 1909, Bombala, died 12 Mar 1971, Kyleston, Bombala, buried  Grave No. 734, Bombala.  She married 1929 Bombala, Glenville Thomas Elton born 1907 Bombala, died 2 Nov 1980 Canberra, ACT, buried Bombala.  His occupation, station hand.

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

DOUCH

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 2:42 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Douch, Tod Thomas (I87781)

Proposed Change: Douch, Tod Thomas (I87781)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87781&tree=MP

Description: Tod Thomas Douch born 11 Aug 1921 Bombala, died 8 Aug 1985, buried 12 Aug Bombala  He married 1944 Bombala, Joyce Myra Foster born 4 Sep 1924 Canberra, ACT, died 23 Apr 2008 Traralgon, Vic.

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

DOUCH

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 2:37 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Douch, C.F. (I87777)

Proposed Change: Douch, C.F. (I87777)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87777&tree=MP

Description: Coulson Frederick Douch born 16 May 1920 Bombala, died 8 Jul 2012.

DOUCH, Coulson Fredrick (Colie) passed away 8th July 2012, aged 92.  Loved husband of Freda (dec.), Father of Colin, Janice (dec.), Shirley and Connie (Bombala Times)

Military service 1939-1945.  Served in New Guinea with 3rd Battalion.

Married Freda Ellen Peisley 1946 in Eden.  She born 16 Nov 1926, Pambula, NSW, died 5 Jul 2007 Canberra, ACT. 

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

ELLISON

From: Patricia McGufficke 

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 2:29 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ellison, Ross George (I247711)

Proposed Change: Ellison, Ross George (I247711)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I247711&tree=MP

Description: Death date is incorrect. 

ELLISON Ross Death notice 10OCT2008 Death 83   Canberra Times 15OCT2008

Ross married Annie Eileen Twigg, daughter of Wilfred Percy Twigg and Kathleen Olga Niven.   Annie was born in 1928 in Bombala.  They had 4

children. 

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM
From: Patricia McGufficke
Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 5:35 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, James Charles (I135131)

Proposed Change: Ingram, James Charles (I135131)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I135131&tree=MP

Description: I believe this James Charles Ingram is the son of John Charles Ingram and Annie Heathfield Elliott, who married Olive Joyce Peisley.  They can be found living in Orbost up until 1980 with many other Ingram family members which makes me sure it is the correct couple.  

Patricia McGufficke

Hi Patricia,

Thank you so much for all the wonderful extra details you have provided, we are very grateful.  The James Charles Ingram we show born October 22, 1911 has parents Charles and Ada I according to the NSW BDM Index.  His Military service details from the WW2 Nominal roll shows his birth was October 22, 1911 Bombala with NOK Olive.  It could certainly be Olive Joyce Peisley and they could have married in Victoria but I have no means of confirming that unfortunately.  His enlistment was in Victoria which is consistent with what you say.

There was only 1 James Charles Ingram born in Bombala between 1905 and 1912.

Regards,  Ian

INGRAM

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 3:52 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, John Edwin (I264283)

Proposed Change: Ingram, John Edwin (I264283)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I264283&tree=MP

Description: I was told this photo was of John Arthur Ingram born 15 Sep 1927 Delegate to John David Ingram and Lavinia Edna Targett and that he married Thelma Alice Joiner in 1956 in Delegate, NSW.

Patricia McGufficke

Hi Patricia,

I suggest you discuss the authenticity of the photo with the contributor Rae Blyton as I am not in a position to comment.

What I can say is whilst there is a marriage of a John Andrew Ingram to Thelma Alice Joiner in Delegate in 1956, John Edwin Ingram who married Joyce Magdalen Ward in Burwood in 1959 is buried in the Nimmitabel Cemetery (CofE) along with his wife and his parents John David Alfred Ingram (Jack) and Lavinia Edna Elvira Targett.   The dod shown for John Edwin gives a birth date consistent with the birth date we show, September 15, 1927.

Source - http://www.monaropioneers.com/burial.records/Burial105.htm

Regards,  Ian

ELLIOTT

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 1:07 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Elliott, Arthur C. (I88397)

Proposed Change: Elliott, Arthur C. (I88397)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I88397&tree=MP

Description: Arthur Cecil Elliott born 21 Oct 1893, died 15 May 1932 Warrah Station near Willow Tree, NSW.  Married 23 Oct 1916 St Mary's Bombala to Mabel C Elton.  Children:  Lorna May, Una, Heather, Kathleen, Lawrence, Jeffrey who died Bombala 1930.

Patricia McGufficke

Thank you Patricia,

Regards,  Ian

ELLIOTT

From: Patricia McGufficke 

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 1:00 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Elliott, L. (I239513)

Proposed Change: Elliott, L. (I239513)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I239513&tree=MP

Description: Lawrence Elliott, He served in the military as a Signalman,

#NX104241 (N267938, 4 Australian Cipher Section 1942-1946.

Born Bombala 6 Nov 1921, died Bombala 13 Dec 1998.

Name appears Bombala War Memorial.

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

ELLIOTT

From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Saturday, 29 June 2013 1:02 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Elliott, L. (I239513)

Proposed Change: Elliott, L. (I239513)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I239513&tree=MP

Description: Married Mavis Dawn Leon Walker 1947 Bombala.  She born 26 Nov 1930 to Donald Leo Walker and Freda Jessie Elton.  Children:  Maxine Leonore; Benis Debra; Vanessa.

Patricia McGufficke

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

HUNT

From: Eagbega

Sent: Thursday, 27 June 2013 10:43 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Hunt, Agnes (I16237)

Proposed Change: Hunt, Agnes (I16237)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I16237&tree=MP

Description: Hi,

I am not actually wanting a change.   Regarding Agnes Hunt. I looked up the shipping record for the David Scott and the hand written list actually shows her as Agnes Hammond.  So if she was Hammond on the ship....where does the 'Hunt' name come from..............or if as the Trove article states these women were educated and were going to serve as governesses etc. Is it likely that the children Joseph and Elizabeth were fathered by someone named 'Hunt'

or perhaps a Convict who worked for the person she was sent to work for.

Name of the person she was to work for is on the list but hard to decipher the name.  Look forward to hearing your thoughts. 

Regards Mary Twyford.

Hi Mary,

The information we have is from a very early contribution to the project and as such had not previously been checked by me.  I have looked at the immigration records and agree with your conclusion that Agnes' surname was Hammond and not Hunt and will amend our records accordingly.

http://www.monaropioneers.com/nimmitabel/pioneers/warren-g.htm

Regards,  Ian

SELLERS

From: Sharyn Walsh

Sent: Wednesday, 26 June 2013 10:43 AM

Subject: Comments (Sellers, William George)

Comments (Sellers, William George): How do I find out the contributor's name for the Sellers family tree?

There is a discrepancy in the birth details of William George Sellers. The copy of his birth details show that he was born in Victoria not NSW as is presented. He married a member of the Wenban family who is a relation of mine.

I was initially looking for confirmation of his birth and having found it discovered the anomaly in the data.

I would be pleased if the contributor or yourself can tell me which is correct?

Sharyn Walsh

Hi Sharyn,

Thanks for bringing that error to our attention, the birth location is most definitely in Victoria and I will amend our records.

Regards,  Ian

MAYO

From: John and Rhonda MacMahon

Sent: Monday, 24 June 2013 12:29 PM

Subject: Monaro Pioneers

Dear Ian

I have just seen the Pioneers List and would like to add a few more Goulburn folk.

1. Joseph (b. 1807) and Eleanor (b. 1812) MAYO, born in Chesham Buckinghamshire  - arrived 1848, initially assigned to William Faithfull and then established a general store business in Goulburn in 1850. Eleanor died 1865 and Joseph in 1900.

They brought with them four children all born in Chesham.

2. Ann - b. 1836 d. 1877  m. Robert Ward 1854 (he came to Australia on same ship and initially worked for Faithfull) - farm at Boxer's Creek

3. Joseph -  b. 1839, d. 1906,  established a business as a watchmaker and jeweller, married at Bungonia 1873  - Lydia Wyatt from Lake Bathurst (d.

1925)

4. George - b. 1841, d. 1885    also established a business as a watchmaker and jeweller, then became farmer at Boxer's Creek, married 1868 at Bronti - Lucy Roberts from Windellima (d. 1919)

5. Sarah - b. 1846  m Charles Sims 1870, storekeeper, d. 1931

Hope this is of interest.

Regards,  John MacMahon=

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian

BAILEY

From: John and Jan Elder 

Sent: Sunday, 23 June 2013 4:17 PM

Subject: John Bailey Queanbeyan1847

Hello Ian

I have managed to confirm the birth of another child in the family of John and Elizabeth Bailey and would be pleased if you could add it to the

information already held on this family.

  First child - John Bailey Born 24rd December l845, Queanbeyan NSW - Baptised 2nd January 1846 Parents John and Elizabeth (Green) BAILEY - V1845

2082 31A/l845

  Death of John Bailey at 12 days of age on 4th January 1846  Register No  V1846 878 31B/1846

  Burial took place on 5th January 1846 at Oaks Burial Ground, Queanbeyan  NSW

(although a record of this states the mother's name as Mary which is not correct)

  Thank you,  Jan Elder=

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian

LEONARD

From: Carol Mackin

Sent: Sunday, 23 June 2013 12:16 PM

Subject: re id 1283212

hi Ian, MY NAMES CAROL MACKIN PATRICK LEONARD AND BRIDGET LEONARD WERE MY GRANDPARENTS.

I NOTICED THERE ARE TWO LISTINGS OF THEIR CHILDREN BEING MARJORIE DAPHNE SHE WAS MY MUM AND RUBY HER SISTER WHO DIED YOUNG.

BUT THEY ALSO HAD OTHER SISTERS WHO ARE NOW DECEASED I DONT KNOW DATE OF BIRTH OF DATE OF DEATHS OF THESE AS YET.

THERE NAMES ARE JUDY-VERA-GLADYS-ENID PEARL-VALDA.

I HAVE FOUND YOUR SITE SO HELPFUL IN TRACING MY ANCESTORS.

THANKING YOU CAROL

PS WILL TRY AND GET MORE INTO ON DATES IF I CAN

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian

THOMPSON

From: Peter Parsons

Sent: Friday, 21 June 2013 4:07 PM

Subject: Michael Rigby info. contained in June 2011 Newsletter.

Ian,

I'm not sure if you and the Monaro Newsletter are still current, but here goes....

Reading your newsletter and 'blog' I came across the above entry which refers in the main to the Thompson family - entry Sunday 10 April 2011 2.33am(!).

I am directly related to the same ancestoral line, and I am keen to make contact wit this Michael Rigby, and am wondering if you can assist?

Regards,  Peter Parsons

Hi Peter,

Here is the email address we have ...

Naturally, we cannot vouch for its currency.

Regards,  Ian

ROBINSON

From: PHILL ROBINSON

Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2013 5:39 PM

Subject: Comments

Comments: I thought that I sent this but actually I wiped it, so I am sending it again I have noticed a couple of errors in my Great-Grandfather FREDERICK JOHN ROBINSON'S page (1)You have my Great-Great-Grandmother JULIA ROBINSON listed as arriving in Australia in Sydney on board Sir Henry Hardige in JULY 1853,But she first arrive in Melbourne on board the Sir Henry Hardige in July 1853, She the sailed to Sydney aboard the Shamrock 111 in late Dec 1853 there she married William Worland (Weiland on marriage  certificate) in early January 1854 before moving to Dangelong to live she later married anther 2 times but only ever had the 1 child

(2) You have a Frederick Walters listed as my Great-Grandfather FREDERICK JOHN ROBINSON'S father and as there is no documented proof of this and it is purely based on supposition and a fair bit of fiction that would make any girlie love story novel seem dull by comparison and ALSO on both FREDERICK'S Birth and Baptism certificates JOHN FREDERICK ROBINSON is down as being his father

(3) My Great Aunt MAUDE WESTON (born Robinson) was born at Bunyan 31 march

1892  not 1884 I would very much appreciate these errors being taken care of

thank you Phill Robinson 

Thanks,

Regards,  Ian

VENABLES

From: Vicki Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 4:49 PM
Subject: Venables, John Edward (I47077)

Dear Ian

Attached is a photo of John Edward (Johnnie) Venables, which you may wish to add to his record.  My great aunt was Muriel Venables (nee Perry), hence the photo was in with our family photos.

Not a very flattering photo, and I'm not sure of the year it was taken, but it may be of interest to the Venables family.

Thank you for all your work on the Monaro Pioneers Database, it is a fabulous source of information.

Regards,  Vicki Byrne

Thank you Vicki,

Regards,  Ian

From: Elaine Schofield
Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 10:17 PM
Subject: monaropioneers recent newsletter
Dear Ian,

I noticed in the recent newsletter, a request by Ray Taylor re; the book "in those days". This book  was  compiled from tapings which I did with over 40 descendants of the early settlers in the Numeralla, Countegany, Peak View and surrounding areas near Cooma NSW and was launched in 1996 by the Numeralla and District Community History Group.

The book is available at Monaro Books and Music, 49 Vale St. Cooma NSW 2630.

Phone No 02 64524225 - Fax 02 64522339 - email monarobm@snowy.net.au

Thank you for the monaropioneers site.

Regards,  Elaine Schofield.

Thank you Elaine,

Regards,  Ian

WATERSON/ SCOTT/ STAFFORD/ JOHNSTON

From: Lynneeta Darmody

Sent: Tuesday, 11 June 2013 11:10 AM

Subject: Comments

Comments: I wish to join your research group and contribute my information on the families of WATERSON, SCOTT, STAFFORD and JOHNSTON being pioneers of the Monaro and the Bega valley.  Your site has been fantastic with its information and at present I am writing a comprehensive book on the life and family of the WATERSONS of BEGA and WALLAGOOT commencing with the convict William WATERSON.  I have inherited 150 years of photos and information regarding this family.  I also wish to add a substantial amount of information re Thomas SCOTT of Mittagang Rd, Cooma, my great grandfather and builder of the grand old house, Patshull or in Ash Garrard's day, Hatsell, Cooma.  I am a direct descendant of William WATERSON, the convict, and have covered his life and family from 1725 in England to the present, in Wallagoot, Bega, inclusive of photos and documents.  Yes, I do have some information and photos on the convict's family that went north to Qld and northern NSW, but I am staying with the Bega Valley descendants.

Please let me know how to join your group and contribute.  When I mention a book that I am compiling, it is really a comprehensive, detailed collection of photos, stories, anecdotes and actual research that I will ultimately have printed but wish to have available on line as well.

Sincerely,   Lynneeta Darmody

Hi Lynneeta,

Our process is a simple, you send me the information and photos you want to add and I will update our website.  By the sounds of it there will be significant additions to the Waterson page on our site and you will be listed as a contributor thereto.  We can also publicise your book in our newsletter and reference it on website as well when it is completed.

Regards,  Ian

From: Cecilie
Sent: 2013-06-11 2:29 AM
Subject: re Query about in those Days

Hi David the book

in those days Numeralla-Countegany-Peak View and surrounding areas was compiled by the Numeralla and District Community History Group I have a book and would be prepared to look up families listed in the book.

I have looked up Groves in the Index << Not listed

also Lomas & Heywood they are not listed in the index either

Regards Cecilie Mortlock

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