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Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
2014 Number 1
I have completed the addition to the database of all the birth registrations for 1913 for the Eden/Monaro region. In many cases this just meant adding the registration number as a source reference to already known individuals, but for the rest it meant adding individuals to new or existing families. Many of these new additions were also WW2 service personnel.
If you have not used the database for some time perhaps now is the time to have another look, you hopefully will discover some new information or perhaps provide us with more complete details.
During this process the database grew to exceed 330,000 names.
As you can see from the diminishing size of the newsletter, the volume of new material has definitely dropped away, does this mean the project is drawing to a close?
ROBINSON FAMILY REUNION
From: marg o'leary
Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 8:35 AM
Subject: Eden Monaro Pioneers
What a great website
I wonder if your organisation is able to help.
I am a researcher for the Fromelles Project, (please google it) looking for living connections to soldiers who died in WW1, for the purpose of finding a
DNA match to identify the soldiers.
For one of the soldiers, I am looking on the female line and have tracked the family down to Francis M Daniels who married Lily May Luxton in 1904 and
certainly had their family and died in the Batemans Bay - Moruya area. It has been a long search, coming down from an Irish girl Susan Simpson and her
sister Margaret who arrived in Sydney in the 1850s. (Susan is the direct ancestor of the soldier and it is Margaret who married Joseph Wright who
produced the line I am researching.)
the children of Francis Daniels and Lily Luxton married into the local families of the Batemans Bay area.:
Ellen Mary married Harry MAYLOR - I don't think they had any children, having looked at a death notice.
Frances Edna Luxton married Francis Rowland PATRECH
Lily May Rose married Edward EMERY
Jessie F married Alan James COLLINS
Ruby W m Charles Clement or Clements EVANS
What I need is assistance in finding their descendants, either someone to talk to who knows the family connections, or an actual descendant.
I imagine that your organisation may know the local families well enough to come up with some answers or advice. Most grateful for any help.
Port Stephens, NSW
Thank you. Unfortunately we do not have any contact information for that family but your request will be included in our next newsletter and perhaps one or more of our readers may be able to assist you.
Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014 5:29 PM
Subject: More 3rd Generation Feilen Photos
Attached is a photo of Alfred Feilen (1909-91). He was a grazier on the Merrigang property at Ando. Also on the photo his first wife Bessie Huggett (1912-63).
Also attached is a photo of Gordon Feilen (1911-92). He was a grazier initially at Merrigang then leased property ‘Rosedale’ and in 1951 bought ‘Allawah’ near Bombala. Gordon married Doris Binstadt (1917-2004). Doris was the daughter of Clarence & Annetta Binstadt. Clarence was the publican of the Bibbenluke Hotel.
A third photo is of Oswald (1914-2002) Feilen and his wife Irene nee Scarlett (1912-94). Ossie moved to and eventually owned ‘Dry Farm’.
Only a few more to come.
Thank you Allen,
Sent: Wednesday, 6 November 2013 7:01 AM
Subject: WW2 Records
Below is a list of WW2 service men/women of the Brayshaw/Miners clan, that is missing from your data list:-
Brayshaw, Henry Archibald James – d: 22.9.2003 Goulburn. bur: Goulburn Lawn Cemetery
Brayshaw, Kevin Valentine – d: 4.8.2007 Cooma, bur: New Adaminaby Cemetery
Brayshaw, Nellie Beatrice – d: 4.7.1977 Kurnell, Sydney, Crem: Woronora Cemetery, ashes interred there, Location - FF Section - Rose Garden 7 Position - 0003
Miners, Albert Ernest – d: 8.1.1958 Marrickville, Sydney, bur: Rookwood Cemetery, Anglican denomination, Section - 16B, Grave - 1103.
Kind regards, Irwin.
All of the individuals you identified are already listed as WW2 enlistees in our records.
Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 11:57 AM
I am writing to you about an entry in the newsletter in April 2013 from Paul Fergus about the Curtis family. He mentions a John Curtis, the son of John and Ann Curtis. He says first that John only had one name (John) – his full name is John Joseph. He then says that he found an entry at http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=monaropioneers&id=I197395) which states that John Joseph, the son of John and Ann died at Brisbane in 1890. He obtained the death certificate which states that he was born in South Wales. I believe this to be a misprint and it should be New South Wales. I have a very detailed history of John Joseph’s life from the time he left Sydney to go to Monaro, his two marriages, his life in Victoria and then Outback Queensland (where he became a drover) and later as the manager of one of John Costello’s properties near Rockhampton. The family was mentioned several times in the book “Kings in Grass Castles” and “The Life of John Costello”
Paul also says that the info was provided to the Register by his wife. This would not be possible since Margaret, his wife died in 1917 at the age of 93. I doubt if the register was around then.
If you are interested I can send you his history, however it is rather large , about 90 pages(which include a large number of newspaper articles).
He also says he has obtained info from Ken Eccleston which says he moved to Victoria about the same time as his brother and sister moved to Monaro. John only moved to Victoria (Diamond Creek in about 1870 after leasing/buying land at Diamond Creek in 1869. I suspect this was to allow his second wife, Margaret, to be close to her family who all lived in Victoria. They only stayed in Victoria until about 1875 when they moved to Outback Queensland. Apart from visits to Victoria and NSW he spent the rest of his life in Queensland.
All the info I have points to the fact that John Joseph is the son of John and Ann Moran. I have a newspaper article that mention that James Curtis was his brother.
Let me know if there is any more info I can give you
Regards, Mary Wilson
PS On the website http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=monaropioneers&id=I88143 there is a mistake in the entry for Ann Moran. It shows that she was born in County Neath Ireland. There is no such place. It should read County Meath
Thank you for the information, I will amend our database. The information we have on John Joseph Curtis and Margaret Louisa O'Doherty is somewhat limited and we have no information on his other wife at all. If you could provide the names, dates and places for his marriages and descendants it would be a great help.
Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014 3:31 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers Site......1st World War Enlistments.
Hello Ian, I was wanting to add my G G Uncle to your records.
He is Joseph William Ryan, son of John Ryan and Martha Underhill.
He is the brother of Leo Ryan, who I note is recorded on the list of 1st World War Enlistments.
Joseph William Ryan Service Number 583. 26th Battn AIF. Date of Birth 19 Mar 1890 Towamba NSW
Date of death 23 Sep 1977 Queensland. Buried Hemmant Cemetery Brisbane Qld Australia.
Hope this is all you need. Thanks Jo-Anne O’Dwyer
Thanks for letting us know. His WW2 service will also be included.
Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2014 10:10 PM
Subject: Ward Family
I wish to congratulate you and the Monaro Pioneers Group on the wonderful work which you do. When I decided to trace my ancestors, I discovered your site on the internet and your geological data base made my task very easy. I was able to quickly trace my family line back to Joseph Ward, who was transported to Australia as a convict in 1802. I was easily able to trace other lines back and found that one of my ancestors was a first fleeter.
I have attached some transcriptions, which I recently purchased. Maybe they will be of use, if you don’t already have the information.
Keep up the good work,
PS My father is Lensvell Lawrence Ward.
Thank you, those transcripts were very helpful. I have added the details to the individual records concerned in our database.
From: Matthew Constance
Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014 12:32 AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Family: Constance, C.H./B. (F110486)
Proposed Change: Family: Constance, C.H./B. (F110486)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Description: Clive Howard Constance is my Grandfather Married Beryl May McIlwain
Children of Clive H & Beryl M
Clive Edward Constance (My father)
Richard Constance Twin
Philip Mark Constance (twin) Deceased 2013 Christopher Constance
Further details available including place and dates of birth, marriage details etc are available if required.
Thank you Matthew,
Any further details you can provide would be much appreciated.
Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2014 6:06 PM
Subject: weblink for researchers
I have along with my partner Sue been building a Ryan family tree for over a decade that now contains more than 7000 individual profiles, it began with curiosity and was gradually developed through family members and your own website Monaro Pioneers through the listing of Ancestors and Descendants of Daniel Ryan and Mary Connor, and thousands of hours of researching Bdm's on dozens of sites throughout the world, i thought perhaps since my tree is a public tree your members at least the Ryans and connected families might appreciate the link.
There is connected to this Tree my Partners Family Tree of Rayners, Wilsons, Robertsons and Trythals etc also containing around 9000 individual profiles.
Surprisingly many of these families from both trees lived in the same areas throughout the Eastern Seaboard of Australia and within Ireland and England but to the best of our knowledge at least to date never inter-married.
Kind Regards, Leigh Ryan
Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014 10:26 AM
Subject: 3rd Generation Feilens
Starting on the 3rd generation.
Photo 1 taken at ‘Merrigang’ Ando in 1936. Olive (1904-2000) married in 1926 and lived at Bowral, Marjorie (1907-93) married Berridale grazier Reginald Mould in 1928, Gwen (1918-2007) married Cooma local Alby Pascoe in 1935.
Bertha (Jo) (1922-2011) became a teacher on the South Coast, she married a WW2 sailor in 1944 and moved to Adelaide in 1948.
All the males were graziers with properties on the Monaro.
The second photo is of Reg (1900-72) and Marjorie Mould. Reg bought ‘Glenrowan’ property between Berridale & Jindabyne.
Thank you Allen,
From: Douglas O'Reilly
Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2014 3:17 PM
Subject: re: Monaro Pioneers Group
I hope you are able to give me some advice.
Both sides of my family- O’Reilly and Carberry settled in the Murrumbidgee region. Occasionally when searching for information on my Carberry relatives, the Monaro Pioneers Database crops up. In the past I have moved on as there are no ancestors listed in your index. Yesterday I strayed in via another portal, not sure how that happened. To my surprise I found dozens of Carberrys extending over several generation. It took me some time to find my way back today until I realised that I had came in via a RootsWebb portal.
This raises several questions:
1. The various Carberry listings indicate that they are from the Monaro Pioneer Database. If that is the case would I be able to access them directly if I registered for the Pioneers group?
2. If these names are part of your database is there a way I could make contact with the person(s) who added the names. Nicholas Carberry, our mutual ancestor will have been here 200yrs this May and this would be a propitious time to make contact.
3. Some of the entries have incomplete lists of offspring,which I would like to update, and two; Bridget Gerraghty and Edward Gerraghty give a birthplace Cork that is a long way from the place of usual residence given on Bridget’s transportation documents.
Thanks for any help you may be able to offer,
regards, Doug O’Reilly
Yes we do have Nicholas Carberry who married Bridget Gerraghty (c1824 Appin) in our database along with descendants. Unfortunately we have no specific contact details for the information we have been supplied. The information we show on the Rootsweb site is a subset of our database and that site is used merely as "net" to catch people searching the web and hopefully redirect them to our website where more detailed information is available by using our database search facility. The database does have extensive information available on many families who lived in the areas adjacent to the recognised Eden/Monaro region.
To use the database search facility you need to register, a free and simple process. We use the Login mechanism as a security measure because our database does contain information on living individuals.
If you can add to the information we have or correct any errors we would be most grateful.
Sent: Wednesday, 29 January 2014 7:48 PM
Subject: Family History Enquiry
I am fairly new to the family history bug. I am firstly researching my mother’s ancestors and would appreciate any information or help you are able to provide.
My grandmother is Linda Gunning (born 1893), daughter of James Joseph Campbell (born about 1858/59 Monaro) and Mary Ann Williams (nee Face) (born 1863 Jingera) [married 11 April 1888 at Cooma].
Also please advise what fee is payable.
Kind regards, Judith Quinn
All the information we have is freely available via the database search facility on our website.
Sent: Monday, 27 January 2014 11:11 PM
Subject: Feilen Photos 2nd Generation
Attached (hopefully) are 4 second generation photos.
Jacob Feilen (1878-1950) and Charles Feilen (1874-1965). Jacob was manager of ‘Harlow’ 1913-16 and then moved to ‘Dromore’ 1916-50 where he was irrigation engineer. Charles purchased ‘Dry Farm’ in 1909 then ‘Bidgee’ in 1929. Be retired to ‘Wyoming’ (now ‘Hatsell’) in 1934.
Jacob married Clarice Mc Kee in 1920.
The triple photo is of Mabel (1884-1922), Jacob and Mary (1881-1964). Mabel & Mary left Cooma with their parents in 1914.
The remaining photo is of Mabel c 1905.
Sent: Tuesday, 28 January 2014 5:09 PM
hi ian i would like to know if any one out there would have a photo of william henry power born 1895 died fleurbaix france july 1916 if any one could help me thank you lorraine
Sent: Monday, 27 January 2014 3:57 PM
Subject: Re. Bridle family
Happy New Year & Happy Australia Day.
I was going over some old emails today, & realised I hadn't let you know that my uncle, Rolfe George Bridle, passed away on 12th July 2013 at Tumut, aged 97 years.
My father, (Albert William) Clyde Bridle, is now the only remaining sibling, at 90 years of age, & still going strong!
Kind regards, Maree Myhill (nee Bridle)
Thank you Maree, and the same good wishes to you as well.
Sent: 2014-01-27 11:22 AM
Subject: Funnell - Chapman Family
I was forwarded the link to Monaro Pioneers website by Yass and District Historical Society.
My father was Donald Benedict Chapman born in Cootamundra in 1917. His parents were Michael (‘Mick’) Chapman and Ester Funnell. Both of them appear in the most recent generations of the Funnell Family Tree on your site.
It was so good to see the family information displayed on the tree.
I am always searching for more information on my father’s Chapman family, as well as the Funnell’s, and would appreciate having my email contact email@example.com being included in your newsletter in the hope that there may be other members of the family in southern NSW, particularly around Yass, who have information they could share.
I have some information on the Chapman ancestors in Australia but also have hit a number of ‘dead ends’. I hope contact through your Monaro Pioneers site might reveal some new leads.
I look forward to hearing from you
Kind regards, Maria Whipp (nee Chapman)
Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014 8:55 PM
Furter to the info on George Henry and James Oslington...from the Port Hedland (WA) council via Julie from the Port Hedland Historical Society...
George Henry MP No I123722 died age 76 and was buried in the Port Hedland Pioneer Cemetery on 26 May 1953 in the Catholic section (plot number not known).
James MP No I123723 died aged 69 and was buried in the Port Hedland Pioneer Cemetery on 24 Aug 1948 in the C of E (other denominations) section Lot 140.
The Port Hedland Council has plans to upgrade and refurbish the pioneer section of the cemetery and place grave markers where possible for future identification of grave sites.
I thought that might be of interest.
Thank you Maureen,
Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014 3:24 PM
Subject: Fairman family
For Bega burial site page or not she was buried at old Bega Cemetery which is now Bega High School
Anna Fairman buried 09/02/1870 wife of Charles Fairman Snr
Best Regards Bryan
I have some family to add to your Candelo burial site.
Joseph Fairman buried 15/09/1915 his wife
Johannah Fairman buried 08/06/1918
Charles Fairman Jnr buried 30/08/1944
Rebecca Louise Fairman 05/05/1944
Best Regards Bryan
Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014 1:38 PM
Subject: BOWTELL AND PEDLEY FAMILY TREES
Benjamin and Maria Bowtell were my great great grandparents, their daughter Martha Bowtell was my great grandmother.
I am planning to pass through Bombala mid or late February on a trip from Sydney to Melbourne.
I have attached my research on the Bowtell/Pedley families, and I am looking for any further information, photos, stories that
you may have.
If there is any further information available, I could plan to be in Bombala at the most suitable time.
My brother Dennis Hesketh was the minister of the Presbyterian Church in Bombala for a very short time, he tragically died in
a car accident in 1970 while going on holidays.
Thanking you for your assistance in this matter
June Newton (nee Hesketh)
Thank you for the information. All the information and images we have are already available on our website. I live in Sydney so I suggest you try the Bombala and Cooma Historical Societies while you are in the area.
Mr Eric Svanberg
Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014 12:20 AM
Subject: Re Monaro pioneers project
I notice my family history is linked to your Monaro pioneers project and ‘Roots web’ - http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=monaropioneers&id=I314858
I was curious about this, as my understanding was that my Great grandfather worked and lived in the Breadalbane/ Goulburn area as a railway worker.
This is north of Lake George and beyond the electoral boundary description of Eden Monaro so…I was wondering if this meant that there are other Svanberg’s or perhaps they were buried in the area or alternatively there is a more loose description for the region….
Cheers, Ric Svanberg
Whilst the Project name is Monaro Pioneers, the database is really the Eden/Monaro Pioneers but does include information on individuals and families from beyond the recognised boundaries thereof. If only the pioneers had lived, married and bred within the boundaries it would have been more easily contained. We do add families from surrounding districts if there is a connection or if information is supplied to us. All the information we do have is currently available on our website, the rootsweb version is a subset and is merely a net to catch web trawlers and direct them to our site.
Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014 8:42 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Morrison, Mary Caroline (I243343)
Proposed Change: Morrison, Mary Caroline (I243343)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Description: Can you help me find Mary Morrison on the NSW BDM index. I can only find 6 children for Charles Morrison and Catherine. I can find Charles T b1885, Ann E b1888, Catherine L b1890, Ellen M b1901, Jane M b1903 and Edward R b1898
Sorry, I have not been able to find a birth registration for Mary in NSW.
She may have been registered in Victoria or not at all as sometimes happened.
Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014 2:36 PM
Subject: Cartwright family history
I have been looking thru’ the Monaro Pioneers Project, in particular, the pages relating to John and Eliza Cartwright (my great, great, great grand parents).
In the database there is listed a second child Anne E Cartwright b. NSW 1852. I feel fairly certain that this cannot be the child of this particular John and Eliza as they only arrived in NSW in 1853.
When I searched the NSW bdm’s I also noted that there is a Mary E b 1847 and a Sophia J b 1848 to parents John and Eliza so it seems there was another John and Eliza Cartwright already in NSW, who were probably the parents of the above mentioned Anne E b 1852.
Congratulations on the great work that you do.
Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2014 4:14 PM
Subject: Update info for ID1239143 Sarah Bickmore
Marjorie F. Roberts 1906-1973
Rosie M. Roberts 1907-1993
Elizabeth M Roberts 1909-2006
Phyllis J. Roberts1913-1922
Hilton V Roberts 1918-1942
Douglas Frederick Roberts 1911-1999
Ethel Jane Roberts 1916-2009
Hilda Hope Roberts 1919-2008
Colin Gordon Roberts 1922-2008
Alice Maude Roberts 1923-2008
Oscar Mervyn Roberts 1926-2013
All children listed & deceased
Regards Sandra Ross grandchild of Sarah Bickmore, daughter of Mervyn
From: joy marden
Sent: Wednesday, 22 January 2014 8:13 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Hurst, William (I162176)
Proposed Change: Hurst, William (I162176)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Description: willim hurst died Cooma Creek 23. 9. 1860, wife Hannah Hurst ( milton )died 1. 2. 1887, surviving children ; Rhoda Hurst m. William Gilbert, Maria m. Carter tailor, John Hurt m. Mary Ann Sewell 1873 Cooma ( gg father ) Sussanah b.25. 2. 1854.
Thank you Joy,
Would you be able to provide the complete details for William Hurst and his descendants for our records?
Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2014 4:04 PM
Could you please replace our add for the Family Reunion with the new one below
Your request has been done.
From: Janise Farrell
Sent: Thursday, 16 January 2014 12:03 AM
I have been researching the children of Edward and Bridget Moore (amongst others). My ancestor was the eldest son, William Moore (born 1846), the father of Rachel Moore (1878 - 1951), who married William Shanley (1887 - 1950).
I have noticed some errors on the site. The date of death given for William Moore is given as 28 August, 1912, but that was actually the date of his wife, Dorcas Keeling's, death. The death notice for her in the Sydney Morning Herald (31st August, 1912) mentions Dorcas as being his wife, but no mention is made of his death.
Instead, William Moore died on July 7, 1917. There is a death notice for him in the Bombala Times of 13 July, 1917. This corresponds with a later notice of thanks from his son John Moore for expressions of sympathy in the Manaro Mercury of 20 July, 1917. Most importantly, it corresponds to the death certificate for a William Moore of Cooma in 1917.
The sticking point there is that his parents are listed as Lewis and Bridget.
The death certificate for William Moore states his father as 'Lewis', but I am certain he is the William Moore of the family of Edward and Bridget Moore. A newspaper report about the death of John Moore states him to be the father of both John and George Henry Moore. Many of the Moore siblings lived around him at Dry Plain and his land bordered the residence of Edward and Bridget at Coolringdon.
The 1891 census lists those residing with him at Black Spring as 4 males and 4 females. (It was earlier in the year that daughter Annie was born) and the 1901 census lists there as being 4 males and 5 females (as Annie is now included).
There is a lot of evidence for the William Moore who died on 7 July, 1917 as being 'our' William Moore, so I hope you will feel comfortable about changing his date of death.
The other change relates to his brother, Edmund. Edmund was actually Edward in all but his birth certificate. (His father's name was also incorrectly recorded as Edmund on the birth certificate).
Edward Moore was born in 1848. He was a successful farmer and owned property from Berridale, Dry Plain, Numeralla to Nimmitabel. This fact is mentioned in his many death notices (some of which say he was 77 at his death, others say he was 87). He was a prominent character as he was the president of the Monaro shire in 1927 and served on many pastural committees. He married Mary Sheehy in 1886 and their son, Clarence Edward Moore, ran for the legislative assembly in 1938.
In addition to Edward's death certificate (of 1936) naming his parents as Edward and Bridget Moore, he is named as a surviving brother in the death notice for Annie Lynch (nee Moore) in the Manaro Mercury of July 20, 1928.
I'm certain that Edmund Moore is really Edward Moore and he and his descendants seem to be missing from your site completely. Would you mind changing Edmund to Edward?
Full details to be changed or included for both brothers.
William Moore: died 7 July, 1917 in Black Spring, near Dry Plain. NSW BDM #11952/1917.
Edward Moore: born 1848, Cooma. NSW BDM #V18481508 66/1848.
Married Mary Sheehy in 1886 in Cooma. NSW BDM# 6059/1886.
Died 1936 in Bondi (according to death notice), registered at Waverley. NSW BDM # 4541/1936.
Please let me know if you require any further information.
Thank you so much (and also for your wonderful site).
Kind regards, Janise Farrell (nee Shanley)
Thank you Janise, I will amend our records.
Can you supply more complete details on Mary Moore nee Sheehy and her children. Also her parents if possible.
I'm sorry it took me a while to get back to you. I'm supposed to be writing my PhD, so researching my family history is a very guilty distraction.
You asked for more details about Mary Sheehy, her children and parents.
Mary Sheehy was born in Cooma in 1862 (NSW BDM: 7129/1862) and died in Nimmitabel in 1916 (NSW BDM: 19615/1916).
Her parents were William and Catherine Sheehy. You have them and their family here:
but no mention is made of Mary, who was born the year after William and Catherine arrived in Australia from Ireland.
Mary married Edward Moore in Cooma in 1886. (NSW BDM: 6059/1886)
Mary and Edward had four children. I haven't found dates of death for them, I'm afraid.
Mary, born in Cooma in 1890. (NSW BDM: 10982/1890)
William, born in Cooma in 1893. (NSW BDM: 11353/1893)
Ellen, born in Cooma in 1897. (NSW BDM: 2517/1897)
Clarence Edward, born in Cooma in 1905. (NSW BDM: 22243/1905)
Thank you for your interest.
Kind regards, Janise
Thank you Janise,
From: Alan MacKenzie
Sent: Monday, 20 January 2014 8:09 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Murdoch, John (I60536)
Proposed Change: Murdoch, John (I60536)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Description: I refer to Item No 27 Ann Trevor Murdoch and am pleased to supply the following:
1. William J MacKenzie Born 11th Oct 1879 Sydney, died 17th August 1959 Guildford NSW.
2. Clyde Florance MacKenzie died 13th May 1951.
3. Floyd Darcy MacKenzie died 14th February 1996 Nerang Qld.
4. Marjorie Merle MacKenzie died 16th Sept 2000 Towradgi NSW.
5. There was a forth child my father Kenneth Maxwell MacKenzie born 13th February 1913 Woollahra NSW died 18th July 1987 Padstow NSW.
Thank you Alan,
Sent: Monday, 20 January 2014 9:11 AM
Subject: Thomas Underhill
Mr. Harvey, I am Bob Underhill of the Underhill Society of America. An Australian by the name of Thomas Underhill sent me a copy of an article entitled "The Underhill Family by Jack Burgess" concerning Thomas Underhill c1845, Bega. He had joined the Underhill Society of America YDNA Project and very interestingly was a perfect match with one of our US immigrant lines. It will take research in the UK to find the link but at the moment he is somewhat unsure of his line within Australia. His grandfather was murdered when his father was only 12. His father then lived on the streets and knows little of his family other than Thomas seems to be a traditional family name. He believes that he must be descended of the Thomas Underhill that the article was written about. Before we can be looking for a link back in the UK I need to affirm who his immigrant ancestor in Australia was. Is there a genealogy coming forward to the present of the Thomas Underhill who came to Australia in 1830 that we might get access to? Thank you for any assistance that you can lend on this.
All the information we have is in our database, current generations are reluctant to be included for privacy reasons. However, this email will appear in our next newsletter and that might bring forth some useful contacts for you.
Thank you Ian. I registered on your site and see that you have an excellent database. I am getting all of the necessary base information that I need from my modern day Thomas and between your site and other sources expect we'll be able to figure out this guys line. Then the hard part begins, linking back in the UK his line and the American line that his YDNA matches.
Sent: Monday, 20 January 2014 1:09 PM
Subject: log in
I am having trouble logging in to Monaro Pioneers, so could you please include me in your list for the news letter and also put the following up on the site/news letter
If anyone knows of where about’s/address or contact details of the descendants of
William (1881-1947) & Anne (Quirk 1875-1950) Robinson,
Charles (Tom) Weston (1878-1974) & Maude (Robinson 1892-1978)
Arthur (1894-1970) & May (Storen b/n 1895) Robinson
Ernest (1896-1957) & Dorothy (Phillips)
Reginald (1900-1972) & Olive (Paske 1903-1938) Robinson
Could you please let me know so that we can get in touch with them
Userid and password are case sensitive.
Sent: Sunday, 19 January 2014 1:16 PM
Subject: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Hi, Ian. I am the grand daughter and niece of three of the people named on your list of pioneers. My name is Wendy Garcia (nee Travers).
Arthur B Travers, Matilda Laura Travers (nee Clarke) and Thelma Florence May Griffiths (nee Travers). I don't know what is their connection to Eden Monaro.
From what I know about Arthur, he was born in 1875 in Northcote, Victoria and raised in Victoria. His mother was Matilda Travers (nee Webster), his father was Wilfred Travers.
Wilfred came alone to Sydney around 1877 leaving his wife and the very young Arthur and his other son Frank Wilfred. Wilfred left Melbourne to take up the position of Manager of the Sydney Omnibus Company, the position he also held in Melbourne. He never returned to Melbourne, dying in Sydney in 1893.
Arthur married Matilda Laura Clarke in Victoria in 1897 and they came to
Sydney in 1899. Thelma is one of their six children, my father is also.
I am researching my family and so would very much appreciate knowing what is the connection to Eden Monaro. I see the name Edward Dodds and he is my uncle who married Mattie Dodds (Ivy Matilda Travers), sister of Thelma but even Mattie isn't on your list. The Dodds family have owned orchards in Batlow for over a century. But that has nothing to do with Arthur or Thelma, other than their relationship to Mattie.
I hope this isn't too difficult to solve and if it does turn out Arthur has a connection, I should be able to give you some information about him.
Thanking you, Wendy Garcia.
Thelma Florence May Travers married Ronald Jacob Griffiths whose Mother Lucy Ella Jacob was born in Goulburn. By recording the children of Lucy and her husband Lionel Griffiths and their respective spouses you get the connection. We try to record the parents of spouses where ever possible. We have no Edward Dodds in our system young enough to be the husband of Ivy Matilda Travers.
Sent: Friday, 17 January 2014 7:17 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Peisley, Alexander Edward (I16633)
Proposed Change: Peisley, Alexander Edward (I16633)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Description: Child of Alexander Edward
Peisley, Freda Ellen was Born 16 November 1926; died 5 July 2007. Freda married Coulson Frederick Douch on 25 May 1946.
Thank you, we do have these people in our database but did not know Freda's parents until now.
Sent: Wednesday, 15 January 2014 2:03 PM
Subject: Eden-Monaro Pioneers Index
I am interested in the PUTMAN name as it is closely tied to my family history.
I noticed that you had a record of Walter and Daisy Putman in the old ROOTSWEB database but they don't seem to be reflected in your new database.
Consequently I am curious as to whether there was a reason for leaving them out of the new database or if it was an oversight.
My next question is then to ask how I might be able to find out more about these two people and their history particularly if it involved the Eden Monaro region.
Thank you for any assistance.
There has been no change to our database, the Putman's are still in it. The connection being purely through Daisy's marriage to Wesley McPaul.
From: Stephen & Katie Whapham
Sent: Tuesday, 14 January 2014 4:35 PM
Subject: Ryrie-Stuart connection
At my fathers request (David Jonothan Ryrie-Stuart) just before he passed away I'm looking into the history of our hyphenated surname Ryrie-Stuart and wondered if there was any reference to this name in the book available on the website? My fathers family managed sheep stations in winton qld.
Any info you have or direction on where to source info would be greatly appreciated.
Many thanks, Kate Whapham (formerly Kate Anthea Ryrie-Stuart)
We don't have a copy of the book, I suggest you try the author whose contact details are shown on our site.
From: Charmaine Hayes
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2014 4:38 PM
Subject: Comments (Cullen, Susannah M. b. 1882 Queanbeyan, NSW d. Yes, date unknown)
Comments (Cullen, Susannah M. b. 1882 Queanbeyan, NSW d. Yes, date unknown):
My great grand mother was the following person....
Name Cullen, Susannah M.
Born 1882 Queanbeyan, NSW
Died Yes, date unknown
Person ID I202746
I would like to inform you of her date of death.
18 Jan 1962 — Age: 80
Undine Street Five Dock , New South Wales, Australia
1406/1962 CHARLTON SUSAN MARCELL JOHN ELLEN NORA BALMAIN
Marriage to Henry Leslie
1897 9 Aug — Age: 15
5246/1897 LESLIE HENRY CULLEN SUSAN M CAPTAINS FLAT
Marriage to Francis Henry Hayes
1902 22 Oct — Age: 20
Sydney New South Wales, Australia
8210/1902 HAYES FRANCIS H CULLEN JANE SYDNEY 31 Bent Street Sydney at the Independent Presbyterian church
Marriage to Edward David Leslie Muir
1917 10 Nov — Age: 35
Balmain South, New South Wales
Divorce from Francis Henry Hayes
1917 — Age: 35
Sydney New South Waled Australia
0398 1917 HAYES Francis Henry HAYES Jane Made Absolute in September 1917 after 6 months return to court
Marriage to Thomas Charlton
1924 — Age: 42
Wollongong, New South Wales
11109/1924 CHARLTON THOMAS LESLIE SUSAN M WOLLONGONG
Annulment from Edward David Leslie Muir
1928 12 Oct — Age: 46
Edward David Leslie Muir v Jean Hayes (falsely called Jean Mulr).
on the grounds that she was legally still married to Francis Henry Hayes at the time of their wedding. Decree Absolute 22 December 1928
She was popular with the men!!
Have a great day
From: Cathrine Constable
Sent: Saturday, 11 January 2014 3:30 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Martin, Sophia Jane (I184076)
Proposed Change: Martin, Sophia Jane (I184076)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Description: Hi Ian,
While doing a bit of looking around for info on my great grandmother's second husband from the Teague family, I came upon this interesting story and thought it was worth forwarding to the site.
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954), Wednesday 2 January 1935, page 10 FIVE GENERATIONS.
Pioneer Family's Reunion.
Five generations of an old Australian family assembled at Robertson street Guildford yesterday.
Mrs Sophia Jane Teage who will be 98 in June is the daughter of a Monaro pioneer settler Mr James Martin who was born on a vessel as it was coming into Sydney.
Mrs Teage is in fairly good health and is able to take a walk with assistance. Her memory is fairly good. Until a few years ago she was able to drive a sulky.
Mrs Teage said she was born at Cathcart a small town north-east of Bombala where her father had taken up about 40 000 acres.
His employees were ticket of-leave men. Her family lived in bark huts and sometimes had to dig their way out through the snow there were occasional journeys to Sydney with cattle and the children were sometimes taken in a spring cart sleeping at night under the bullock waggons. When she was about
12 years old she was thrown off a horse and her skull was fractured and the mark of the in jury still remains. After attending school at Concord she went back to her mountain home. At 21 she married and came to live in Sydney. Sheep were then running on the present Hyde Park.
Mrs Teage said that her mother was 105 when she died. Her first husband was Mr F H Hill, an Englishman. She had 11 chidren, five of whom are alive, the eldest Mr Francis Henry Hill of Dulwich Hill being 72.
The others are Mrs Gilchrist of Parramatta, Mrs Margaret Dickson Mrs Herbert Hill and Mrs Littlejohn of Guildford. She was about
85 when she married a second time. Mr Teage being her first admirer.
And when she was 85 she could dance all night said her daughter Mrs Dickson.
Mrs Teage has 33 grandchildren, 50 great- grandchildren and one great-great-grand child. The five generations represented at the reunion were Mrs Teage, Mrs Margaret Dickson, her granddaughter Mrs Lilian Lafferty; her great-granddaughter Mrs Lilian Plummer and little Patricia Plummer.
Sent: Saturday, 11 January 2014 2:18 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Helman, Lucy Wilhelmina (I251065)
Proposed Change: Helman, Lucy Wilhelmina (I251065)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Description: born 5th March 1857 baptised 31st May 1857 (which is after the ship John n Lucy left)
here is a clue
"MISS LUCY W. HELMAN
There passed away on Tuesday last one of Braidwood's oldest and most respected residents in the person of Miss Lucy. Helman, at the age of 85 years. She had had a fall in her home on the previous Tuesday, and had been- taken to the Braidwood Hospital by the ambulance next day, where an X-ray showed that the old lady had broken a bone in her hip. Later pneumonia supervened, which caused her death. The deceased,' who had many friends in the district, was born in London, her parents being the late Mr. and Mrs. Walter Helman. Her father came to Australia, leaving his wife and baby daughter in London, Later Mrs. Helman, with her seven months-old baby, Lucy, accompanied by Mr.- Sanders Helman (her brother in law) set out for Australia in the famous old sailing vessel, 'John Lucy.' The trip, as can be imagined, was a long, exacting one. However, the par ty landed safely in Sydney, and later arrived in this' district, where Mr. Helman, attracted by the big gold rush, was working at Jembaicumbene and Araluen as^ a carpenter, making sluice-boxes. Those were hectic days in the Braidwood district. The remainder of the family was born at Jembaicumbene. . Mr. Helman died when his family was only young, but his widow survived until 1940. She practised as a maternity nurse for many years. The late Miss Lucy Helman was a quiet, reserved type, hospitable and generous, and one who never failed to do her neighbours or a friend in trouble a good turn. She was a dress maker, and her fine needlework was of the highest quality. Advancing years, however, compelled her retirement about 12 years ago. She had been living in the same house in Las celles-street for' over 43 years, having previously lived In Elrington Street in the house now owned by Mrs. Storer. She leaves two 'sisters to mourn their loss, Mrs. McKay (Lewisham) and Miss Bess (Braidwood). Two brothers, Jim and Charlie, and two sisters; Mrs. Warren and Mrs. Steve Fletcher, predeceased her. The funeral took place in Braidwood on Wednesday
Sent: Saturday, 11 January 2014 1:31 PM
Subject: Greg Crawford
I recently scanned in the start of my grandfather’s memoirs of his life, unfortunately this is all there is as Greg died in 1983 before he got any further.
My mother was Nancy Crawford, eldest daughter of Greg and Joan (nee Delany) so the families all go back some time in the Monaro. I found parts of it interesting on life in the early part of last century and thought you may be able to use aspects but will leave that to you to determine.
Phillip K Johnson
Sent: Friday, 10 January 2014 1:24 PM
Subject: James Murphy
I am a descendant of James and Catherine Murphy and intend to visit the Monaro early March and decided to make sure my information on the family was correct as I had been told it wasn’t.
I am working with a death transcription as this is the only record I have.
In the Family Group sheet printed from the Monaro site it lists a son John and in my information I have no record of him, but I am not saying he didn’t exist. However I have a Margaret Born 1843 in Kiandra married Thomas Cunningham and died in Swan Reach Victoria. I also have a no name “Male Deceased Murphy”, but no record of the birth.
James death transcription lists and names 4 male and 2 female, including Margaret living but none deceased. On Catherine’s death Transcription children of marriage 4 males3 females living and I male deceased.
Can you help me solve this puzzle?
Also Ian I am having trouble finding the following towns or areas, can you help with the spelling or their location.
Cootralanta, near Cooma
Glenmore or Clun More apparently near Gegedzerick,
Slacks Creek, in Adaminaby Road
Woolway, close to Cooma?
Ian thanks for your help
Thanks for the information, I have found Margaret Murphy, married to Thomas Cunningham in our database and connected the dots to her family.
The only other information we have is what you see in our database.
You can use the Places option on the first page of the database search facility to look for the places you nominate and see what map location has been established. You will probably find a lot of those names are property or station names rather than villages or hamlets.
This email will appear in our next newsletter and perhaps one or more of our readers can be of more help to you.
You could also contact the Cooma Historical Society who meet in the Cooma Library every Friday morning.
From: Jen Ring
Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 11:08 PM
Subject: Shanley family
I am wondering what has happened to the extensive information regarding the Shanley family? It appears to me that Matthew Shanley's branch of the tree
has been deleted, I contributed to this informations a few years ago and find it disappointing to find it missing.
Thanks, Jen Ring
The must be some confusion, Matthew Shanley, son of James Shanley and Ann Carroll (born June 15, 1844 Caddigat, died January 1, 1923 Adaminaby and is buried in the Old Adaminaby Cemetery along with his wife Elizabeth Chalker (1849-1922). His details along with his descendants are still in our database and are available on our website. I assume, since you have now registered to access the database and you have viewed Matthew's records therein you have answered your own question.
Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 11:05 AM
You have my permission to give to Maureen and Michael my email address re the McKees. I have most of the information they need
The following contact should be able to assist you.
Ian Harvey, Monaro Pioneers Project.
From: Maureen Laing
Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2014 11:49 AM
Comments: Oslington additions:
I have only recently joined so am not sure of the procedures for adding information but I have a couple of death dates for you.
Oslington, George Henry (b 1877 Bombala d 1953 Port Hedland WA Reg No 11) MP No I123722 Oslington, James (b1878 Bombala d 1948 Port Hedland WA Reg No 9) MP No I123723 Both were sons of Oslington, Cornelius (1843- 1913) and Mary Saxon Gardner -1888) I hope this is ok and helps add to the database.
Thank you Maureen,
Sent: Tuesday, 7 January 2014 2:00 PM
Subject: Re latest Newslette and request from Colin Foot
May I have Colin’s contact details so I may respond to him regarding details on Charles Patrick Tracey.
Regards, Gregory McInnes
Here is the contact details … 'Colin Foot' ……@……………
Sent: Monday, 6 January 2014 10:56 PM
I am researching Elizabeth Rose Crisp born 1905 in Cooma and died 1962 in Penrith. She was married to Ernest Henry Quodling in Cooma in 1930. Ernest died in 1931. They had a son, William Henry Quodling who died at 6 months of age in 1931. Elizabeth remarried in 1933 to George Heath Hill in Cooma. They relocated to Ivanhoe, Victoria sometime after. They divorced in 1939. On Elizabeth’s death certificate it states that she had two children with George, John was 21 when his mother died and Jeanette was 15.
I am thinking that perhaps, John and Jeanette were not George’s children as they were both born after Elizabeth and George divorced. Elizabeth returned to the Cooma area after she separated from George (not sure of the exact year).
On her death certificate she was known as “Elizabeth Rose Hill”.
Elizabeth had another child whom she adopted out, my mother, who was born in 1943 in NSW (my mother’s details understandably were not on the death certificate).
I would like to know if you or anyone receiving your newsletter knows anything about Elizabeth and her children John and Jeanette as I can’t find any information about them and information regarding the circumstances of my mother’s adoption.
Congratulations on your very detailed website, it is a credit to you.
Warm regards, Alison Pedersen
Thank you Alison,
The only information we currently have is available on our website but your request will be in our next newsletter. Can you supply copies of Elizabeth's Birth and Death certificates or the complete dates there from for our records.
Sent: Monday, 6 January 2014 9:16 PM
Cc: Ian Harvey
Subject: Re: MONARO PIONEERS NEWSLETTER - 2013 Number 12
I believe Ian likes to have the photos sent directly to him and he will add them to the database. I have copied him on this email so he will be in contact with you shortly.
On 06/01/2014, at 9:08 PM, rob wrote:
HI David, sorry to bother you but I cannot work out how to email you or Ian harvey via the website, so am trying to this on the reply to the newsletter, I want to contribute a photo to the site, can you please help, I think maybe am missing something , put it down to old timers syndrome
cheers robin buck
Please send your photo image to me with a suitable description of the contents and I will add it to our website.
From: Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Monday, 6 January 2014 7:38 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Dent, Florence (I5079)
Proposed Change: Dent, Florence (I5079)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Description: Florence Dent married Herbert Walter Dean ID290756.
BDM NSW Index 1710/1905
Name:Herbert W Dean
Spouse Name:Florence Dent
Marriage Place:New South Wales
Registration Place:Manly, New South Wales Registration Year:1905 Registration number:1710
Sent: Sunday, 5 January 2014 9:49 AM
Subject: Photos for Maurice Gregory Laycock, Gladys Ivy Green and Maurice Headley Laycock
Hi David and Ian,
Its been a while since I upload a photo to the Monaro Pioneers site and can not remember what is required for the photo before loading it up as well as how to upload to the website.
Is it possible if you could send a reminder email in the next newsletter for everyone?
In the meanwhile, attached is the photo for:
Maurice Gregory Laycock - additional information: buried at Woronora Cemetery and Crematorium Sutherland NSW
Loc: Congregational; Section 2, Position 0050
Gladys Ivy Green - additional information: buried at Woronora Cemetery and Crematorium Sutherland NSW
Loc: Congregational; Section 2, Position 0050
Maurice Headley Laycock - additional information: buried at Woronora Cemetery and Crematorium Sutherland NSW
Loc: Congregational; Section 2, Position 0050; son to Maurice and Gladys; Died 18 June 1970 at Loftus NSW
I recently travelled to Sydney and visited several cemeteries and now have many more photos which I wish to add to the Monaro Pioneers website.
Regards, Bruce Stubbs
Just send your photos to me for the time being, the website is space constrained and I need to edit each picture to optimise the size to conserve space as much as possible.
Hi Ian and David,
Photo of Albert John James Lloyd plaque located at the Woronora Cemetery and Crematorium Sutherland NSW.
Regards. Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Friday, 3 January 2014 6:52 PM
Subject: Charles John Cadman Family
I cannot seem to find where it says that Charles John Cadman born in Victoria 1915 died feb 42 had no children is this correct
All the information we have on Charles John Cadman is in our database.
I have checked and double checked the statement that Charles John Cadman had no direct decendants. He was a part of the 2nd 22nd known as the Lark Force Stationed in Rabaul. He died of Malaria while escaping the Japanese on the 23rd of Feb 42.His grave is unknown as he was buried behind a local chiefs hut on the banks of a river. The family placed a plague at the foot of his mothers grave in the Corryong cemetary as a part of the family reunion a few years back. If I remember correctly this was in 2000. Along with this the family donated a painting to the Corryong hospital in memory of the Cadman familie's link with the area. In the local museum you will also find a copy of Thomas Cadman's family tree. You will also find the death notice for Charles John Cadman which appeared in the local paper in April of 1942.
Charles John Cadman was my father. I was born on the 23rd of March 1942. Dads date of death and my birth always had my grandmother confused as there is exactly one month between the two dates. A few years back I had the priviledge to march in his memory in Corryong in the ANZAC day March..
Melbourne Legacy put me through school and I stayed at Blamey house that was on Bourke road Kew opposite the deepdene Primary school. While in Melbourne I attended all services at the shrine of remembrance in dads memory though I never personally knew him. I was shocked to learn that he had left no decendants as it meant that I do not exist. Please if this is whats recorded on your data base as this is where I found the statement.
Cheers, John Cadman
Thank you for the information. The majority of our information is contributed by family researchers and sometimes we don't receive complete details. Obviously in this case we have not received any information about you or your mother to complete your family unit. If you would care to supply your mother's details and any siblings you have I would be delighted to update our records to correctly reflect the family of Charles John Cadman.
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