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Monaro Pioneers Newsletter


2014 Number 3



 To MP Newsletter Readers,


Hi Folks,


I have received the following invitation and frankly I don't know what to do and thus I am seeking your comments.  Clearly, this event will be a very interesting one for people looking for family history information from the region but should the MP project be represented there?  We only have a website and everything on it is free.  We don't publish any literature nor provide any research services.  We don't seek nor accept any financial subscriptions so no recruitment of new members.  After all I am not an expert on the many places and people of the region so I could not talk with any authority about specifics.


So if anyone came to our "booth" all I could do is show our website and what it contains and recommend they visit it.  I could certainly extoll the benefits of the MP Database but generally when I try to do that I cause eyes to glaze over and insomnia to be cured.


Being held in Merimbula would mean me committing 3 days to the event, 1 day to get there, the event and one day to get home (I live in Sydney) and the attendant costs thereof. 


Would my presence there really be of any benefit to any attendee?  I know I could talk at length on the challenges and rewards of the MP website management and in particular the creation and maintenance of a region based family tree database with all its inherent design and construction considerations.  I could also talk about the software I use and why but would anyone really be interested?  Does anyone really care?


The one major benefit I can definitely see is the opportunity for MP supporters to meet and converse.  Perhaps I could cajole more information and photos from the folks attending.


Therefore, the question is should I participate?

Would any of you be interested in attending? 

Would my presence there make any difference to your decision?

Would anyone be interested in being part of the team on the day?

If I did attend what would you like me do there?  Naturally an internet interface to show case the MP site would be mandatory.


Again I ask does anyone care?


I look forward to your comments and suggestions.




Ian Harvey


From: Albertson, Linda [mailto:LAlbertson@begavalley.nsw.gov.au]
Sent: Monday, 10 March 2014 12:47 PM
Subject: Sapphire Coast Family History Expo 2014


Hello Ian,

I would like to invite ‘Monaro Pioneers’ to exhibit at the inaugural Sapphire Coast Family History Expo 2014. The Expo will be held on Saturday 9 August 2014, 10am-4pm at Club Sapphire, Merimbula. I’ve attached a copy of the invitation.

The Expo aims to bring together and highlight family history and heritage groups based in the Shire in a stimulating all-day, expo-style event held during National Family History Month. It will be a “one-stop” promotional event where the community can get an idea of the extent of local family history resources and meet “experts” and researchers.  It is hoped that the Expo will help to stimulate research into the Shire’s heritage and strengthen the relationship between our heritage/genealogical groups.

We are keen to have representation from organisations relevant to family and heritage research and we would welcome Monaro Pioneers’ participation as an exhibitor.

Given your relative proximity to our area and overlap, I am sure local family history researchers would be very interested in your organisation. The exhibition space has access to wifi and power so you would be able to demonstrate online.

We have had an enthusiastic response from our local historical/genealogical societies (Mallacoota, Bombala, Eden, Merimbula, Bega, Bermagui, Tathra, Montreal Gold Fields, Bega Valley Genealogy Society, Family History Centre of Church of LDS) and I expect most if not all of them to be exhibiting at the Expo so you would be able to engage with family/local researchers as well as the general public.

The Expo will be free entry.

We have two confirmed speakers for the Expo - one speaker from the Australian War Memorial and a second speaker Ray Thorburn, founding director of the Kiama Family History Centre. We are also hoping to have a performance artist, Leith Arundel from Canberra, give two “Women in War” monologue based performances.

The Expo will be well advertised in local newspapers and on radio as well as via Bega Valley Shire Council’s Facebook page and website. We will be using Council’s media section for all media releases. In addition, the event will be promoted with flyers and posters at all Shire libraries in Eden, Merimbula, Bega and Bermagui.

I hope that Monaro Pioneers can be part of the Expo. In terms of reaching a maximum number of people in a limited time I think you will find the Expo worthwhile outreach. If you have any questions, please get in touch with me.



Linda Albertson | Local and Family History Librarian | Bega Valley Shire Library | PO Box 448, Bega NSW 2550

Hi Folks,


Both the Cooma Mittagang Road and Nimmitabel cemetery's information is now available on line and you can find the links on the MP cemeteries page.


Also over 400 images of headstones in the Bungendore Cemetery have been added to the MP database with appropriate links to the individuals concerned.  These images were very generously supplied by Sandra Young.




Ian Harvey









Current correspondence:


From: Sue Ewart
Sent: Thursday, 3 April 2014 4:46 PM
Subject: Hello Ian

My maiden name was Susan Mary Newton, father John Ernest Walcott Newton born as I understand born 1910 at Bredbo.  On a website I noticed there were three other Newtons from Bredbo that served from 1939-1945 in the war and their names appear on an honour plaque in Bredbo.  Initials L I?? Newton, C S Newton, C V Newton.  These would have been relatives of my father I would imagine.  My father’s extended family were the Walcotts well known on the Monaro, Bombala, Delegate etc.


I wonder if you could help with any information and or, how I start to go about this research?  Would much appreciate hearing from you.


Many thanks,


Susan Mary Ewart (Newton)

Hi Susan,

Yes indeed these Newton boys are brothers and there is a connection with Bredbo, they were all born in the Delegate area of NSW.  I suggest you check our database for the details.


Edward Arthur Ray Newton

George Stanley Mervyn Newton

John Ernest Walcott Newton     

Geoffrey Vernon Newton


Parents Arthur Patrick Newton and Mary Frances Walcott.

Regards,  Ian



On 03/04/2014 07:08, leah burke wrote:

> Proposed Change: Glass, John William (I135086)

> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

> Link:

> http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I135086&tree=MP

> Description: i am researching this side of my family and cant find

> anywhere that John W Glass mother was Charlotte?????

> Do you have certificates with Charlottes name on it..

> On the marriage certificate of Mary Glass (Johns sister) to James

> Mackey Mary has her mother as Kitty.

> It has been known through family stories that there was some

> aboriginal connection from William Glass, and after reading the trove

> newspapers I have connected this John Glass to our aboriginal

> family..so I.m assuming Kitty could be of aboriginal descent.

> leah burke

Hi Leah,

The information shown is as supplied to us, we have no source material to support the name Charlotte.  I will change it to Kitty.

Can you provide more complete details on Mary Glass and James Mackey?

Regards,   Ian

marriage cert 01963

date.... 19 April 1865

place... Whinstone Valley Maneroo

religion...   C of E



name...  James Mackey


birthplace .... Plymouth Devonshire England occupation...  Stockman age...  23 residence... Cowra father...Joseph Mackey mother... Unity Downs occup father....pipe manufacturer



name...Mary Ann Glass


birthplace..Wangorah, Bredbo Maneroo NSW


residence... Cowra

father...William Glass

Mother...  Kitty

Occup father...shepheard


Witness.. Alzath Feeney, Henry Scott


so to put it into a time line


William Glass (convict b c1804  d 1875 ) finally settled in Cooma and he has two children to an aboriginal Kitty 1.John William born c 1841/2 2. Mary Ann  born c 1843


1..John William marries Emma McCormack and they have 4 Children. It looks like 2 sets twins 1..Emma  d 14 Sept 1875 at Rosebrook Manaro  age 5 months measles (cert


   Ann Maria..b 30 May 1875 Coura Monaro..d havt got that cert yet

2..John William...b 15Aug 1876,,Wooyeo elder of twins        d..just sent

for that cert

   Jane Mary....born Wooyco(as per cert 13155) younger of twins...d 3 July 1923..Mental Home Rydalmere and Ermingtonn Municipality. you have Mary Jane marrieds George Gibson. I will get this cert at a later date)


2..Mary Ann Glass marries James Mackey (cert above)...I cant get all the children right just yet as your list and mine have a few differences and some are under different spellings.

    I know Mary was in Captains Flat in 1903 and is probably the reason John Glass was residing there when he died. Still havnt found a death cert for Mary Mackey .


William Glass then marries Mary Ann Webb/Kelly


from the chart ID 1135086 of John William Glass b 1842 his parents need to be changed to William Glass father  Kitty mother.

And i think the chart 1135083 is not needed


its all a bit complicated but I will check the changes and make sure I have it all right

thanks Leah

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



On 03/04/2014 07:12, leah burke wrote:

> Proposed Change: Glass, Mary Jane (I135089)

> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

> Link:

> http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I135089&tree=MP


> Description: hi again..regards the death of Mary Jane Glass..

> from Death Cert 13627

> name Mary Jane Glass ( on birth cert Jane Mary) died 3 Jul 1923 Mental

> Hosp Ermington and Rydalmere Municipality age 46 father John Glass

> mother Emma Kelly buried C of E Rookwood born  Cooma NSW



> leah burke


Regards,  Ian



From: Patricia McGufficke
Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2014 5:23 PM
Subject: Definitely the last

Ian, the notes were compiled by one of Cyril’s grand nephews, Robert Ingram who gave me the copy of the photograph.


Robert and I are third cousins.




Private Cyril James Ryan: No. 2221 55th Battalion, 3rd Replacements, Australian Infantry.  Born 16 September 1896.  Joined up at Bibbenluke on "The Man from Snowy River March” on 9 January 1916".  Embarked at Sydney on the Transport HMAT A.15 "Port Sydney" on 4 September 1916.  He died of wounds to the abdomen, left arm and thigh on 27 November 1917.  He is buried in north east France in the Trois-Arbres Cemetery, Steenwerck, Plot II, Row B, Grave 22.  Of the eight young men that joined with him at Bibbenluke on 9 January 1916 one returned.  He is commemorated on Panel 161 on the Roll of Honour at the Australian War Memorial in Canberra. 


He was the son of William Edwin and Henrietta Ryan and the brother of Claude and Tom Ryan, Dorothy Anne Ingram (nee Ryan) and Rita Cowell (nee Ryan).



Thank you Pat,  again I want to express my sincere gratitude for all your help.

Regards,  Ian


From: Patricia McGufficke
Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2014 4:59 PM
Subject: More WWI photos


Henry Joseph Elliott (my grandfather)


Henry Stokes Comben


See details on website:  http://www.bwm.org.au/site/Henry_Comben.asp


Ship Armenian sailed 23 Jan 1900, returned ship Custodian 16 Feb 1902.  Trooper Henry Stokes Comben served with the 1st Australian Commonwealth Horse in the Boer War and was awarded the Queens medal with 5 clasps.  May 1900-May 1901 with NSWIB in Rhodesian and west Transvaal including capture of de la Rey’s convoy and guns at Wildfontein (24 March 1901). March - May 1902 with the 1ACH on Natal border and west Transvaal.




Peter Joseph Murphy is on left - I have no idea who Jack and mate are.  Maybe someone on the list can identify them.


I think these complete my collection of servicemen.




Regards,  Ian


From: Patricia McGufficke
Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2014 4:01 PM
Subject: WWI photos


Some extra photographs for your WWI reports.


According to Vincent’s grandson, Vincent enlisted in 1915 but after it was found he was only 13 years old, he was returned to Australia.  This may or may not be true, as enlistment papers have not been found.


Pat McGufficke


Regards,  Ian



On 02/04/2014 17:58, Pat McGufficke wrote:

> Proposed Change: Monck, Stephen Frederick (I134202)

> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

> Link:

> http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I134202&tree=MP


> Description: Married 9 Dec 1911 at Leichhardt - he died at Waverley,

> NSW 8 Jun 1951.


> The Sydney Morning Herald, 13 Jan 1912.

> MONCK-OLIFF - December 9, 1911, at All Souls', Leichhardt, by the Rev.

> H.S. Begbie, Stephen Frederick, eldest son of Mr and Mrs Monck, of

> Bega, to Katie, only daughter of Mr and Mrs Walter Oliff, of

> Leichhardt.



> Pat McGufficke


Regards,  Ian



On 02/04/2014 16:41, Pat McGufficke wrote:

> Proposed Change: Reilly, Una M. (I69020)

> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

> Link:

> http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I69020&tree=MP


> Description: Una Maud Atkinson died 14 Oct 1925, Redfern, NSW


> Pat McGufficke


Regards,  Ian



On 02/04/2014 16:40, Pat McGufficke wrote:

> Proposed Change: Reilly, Thelma (I69019)

> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

> Link:

> http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I69019&tree=MP


> Description: Thelma Beulah Reilly was born 1899 Cooma, died 1968

> Wallsend, NSW.  Her husband William Lester Kelly born 1904 Wellington,

> died 1968 Wallsend, NSW.


> Pat McGufficke


Regards,  Ian



On 02/04/2014 16:35, Pat McGufficke wrote:

> Proposed Change: Ingram, Zilla (I72019)

> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

> Link:

> http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I72019&tree=MP


> Description: Zilla Ingram born 18 Jun 1881, Maharatta, Bombala, d. 14

> Sep 1962 The Pines Private Hospital, Ringwood, VIC. of congestive

> cardiac failure.  Buried 17 Sep 1962 Lilydale Cemetery, VIC.  She

> married Robert at Fife Hill Farm, Bombala, in 1904.


> Pat McGufficke


Regards,  Ian



On 02/04/2014 15:49, Pat McGufficke wrote:

> Proposed Change: Shipton, William Ross (I320248)

> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

> Link:

> http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I320248&tree=MP


> Description: William Ross Shipton's parents were Garnet Andrew Abraham

> Verona Shipton bc1903 Bega, NSW and Elvy Doreen Gordon born 1905

> Pambula, NSW.

> Garnet Andrew Shipton was a farmer at Upper Brogo, via Quaama, Bega,

> as was his son, William Ross.


> Pat McGufficke


Regards,  Ian



From: corinne salan
Sent: Wednesday, 2 April 2014 3:58 PM
Subject: Family tree of William Back 14-11-1822 and Susannah Stockwell abt.1825 both of Hythe Kent UK


Dear Sir/Madam, I am a descendant of the above couple and have a family tree which shows that some of my ancestors are not on the your site.

William Back (1853-1947) was my G. Grandfather and he was the son of the above. He married Elizabeth Kingston and they had 10 children.

Their children were

William 1875-1961 spouse Lena O’Leary

Emily Jane 1876-1900

Alfred 1878-1887

Charles 1880-1967 spouse Julia ?

Ada Mary 1883-1966 spouse John Gambell

Herbert John 1886-1956 spouse Hilda Brooks

Lily Ellen 7-9-1889-8-2-1977 spouses William Hugh Tucker  3-9-1886 to3-5-1935.  Three children Mavis Kingston 21-8-1920; Elizabeth Kingston 13-4-1921;

 William Kingston 1923 My Grandparents who are not on your site

Walter Edward 1892-1964 Spouses Emma Hawker and Nancy ?

Victor Francis 1896-1976 spouse Ruby Quarmby

Harold George  1901-1964 spouses Vera Lee and Thelma Hawkins.


I hope this may be of help to you. I am a complete amateur in family history but would like to see my ancestors recorded in your site.


Yours sincerely Corinne Salan

(daughter of Mavis Kingston Tucker)

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Jeffrey Wilkinson
Sent: Tuesday, 1 April 2014 11:19 AM
Subject: Gunningrah

Dear Ian,


Thank you for your website.  I am a descendant of Francis William Wisdom Desailly (1816 – 1889) who with his brother George Peter Desailly (1823 – 1876) , acquired “Gunningrah” near Bombala, some time prior to 1850 as our family records have it.  Your excellent website records the family name as Dascilly. This is an incorrect spelling.  The correct name is Desailly, originally from the French family name,  De Sailly.    We are in contact with other De Sailly descendants in France, one of whom is quite a famous soccer player.  Thank you for your great work.  I would love to see Gunnigrah some time.  Do you know if  the current owners are friendly people open to a visit?


Frank and James Cooper of Lake George took up Gunningrah early in 1833. The Coopers sold to John Terry Hughes. A Mr. McIntire apparently had an interest in the Station and lived there for many years not far from where the present homestead stands. The McKays from Maharatta took Hennings place on his leaving. Hughes Hortiner sold Gunningrah to George P. and F. Dascilly of Gippsland and by them to James Manning of Gamarautra and by them to The Honorable William Graham and by him to the present owner, John Cruickshank.


Kind regards,   Jeffrey Wilkinson


Thank you for the information.

I don't know who the current owners of Gunningrah are so I am unable to assist you unfortunately.  This email will appear in our next newsletter and perhaps one of readers may be able  to help.

Regards,  Ian


From: Ian Harvey
Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2014 5:22 PM
Subject: for the newsletter - provided by Ian Burke



From: Pat McGufficke
Sent: 2014-03-30 5:38 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Bouquet, Albert Herbert (I130199)


Proposed Change: Bouquet, Albert Herbert (I130199)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I130199&tree=MP


Description: Albert was born 12 Aug 1894, Bega, NSW.


Albert took part in the Gallipoli campaign and was reported missing on 29/4/1915.  However he returned to his unit and was admitted to hospital on

16 May with influenza.   On 12/7/1915 he was admitted to No. 2 General

Hospital, Gezirah near Cairo and on 9/8/1915 was admitted to the hospital ship "Devenna" with a gunshot wound to the finger. Gezirah was formerly one of the Egyption royal palaces and an elegant hotel before being used by the Australians as the No. 2 General Hospital, after Mena House was unable to

cope with the huge number of casualties from Gallipoli.   On 21/8/1915

Albert was transferred to No.2 General Hospital, Mena with a bullet wound to the hand and 3 days later was admitted to the British Red Cross Convalescent Hospital at Montazah, Alexandria.  Mena House was requisitioned by Australian troops in 1914 and became a hospital towards the end of the war.

It was originally a hunting lodge and hotel, famous for its turned wood spool work, and great dining hall which was an exact replica of a Cairo mosque.  Many famous travellers have stayed there, including the Prince of Wales, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Field Marshall Montgomery and Sir Winston Churchill.  Today it is known as the The Mena House Hotel, in Giza near the Pyramids.  On 11/9/1915 Albert transferred to Mustapha Base from the Red Cross Convalescent Hospital and embarked for the Front per H.T. "Karoo" from Alexandria on 19/9/1915, rejoining his unit on 29th September.  On 17 February 1916, Albert was promoted to Corporal but spent 2 days in hospital from 16-18 May 1916. 


Albert was killed in action in France  just 9 days after being promoted to Lance Sergeant of "B" Company.  Witness reports of his death state that Albert was in a trench with 3 others when a shell burst in front of them at about 10am on 23rd July 1916 at Pozieres and Albert was severely wounded in

the groin and died about five minutes afterwards.   He was initially buried

in the vicinity of Poziers and his personal effects comprising 1 pair of slippers, scarf, money case, brush, curios, writing wallet, 3 handkerchiefs, belt, cards, photos, pipe bow and leather bag were returned to his mother, who was then living at Eden Street, Bega (as per his will dated 24 April 1915).  Albert was "very popular and well known in the Battalion" and "one of the Battalion footballers and a good sport, generally, and was very well liked by all the boys.  He was one of the best".


Pat McGufficke


Regards,  Ian


From: Pat McGufficke
Sent: 2014-03-30 5:53 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Richards, Caroline Augusta (I125250)


Proposed Change: Richards, Caroline Augusta (I125250)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I125250&tree=MP


Description: Caroline Augusta was born 26 Mar 1837 and baptised 23 Apr 1837 in St James Church of England, Sydney (from her Baptism record.  She is buried in the Candelo Reserve, Candelo.


Pat McGufficke


Regards,  Ian


From: Pat McGufficke
Sent: 2014-03-30 5:46 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Laidlaw, Grace Elliott (I131722)


Proposed Change: Laidlaw, Grace Elliott (I131722)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I131722&tree=MP


Description: Grace Elliott Laidlaw was born in Scotland in 1897 and died 24 Jul 1974 in Aranda, ACT.  Her parents were William Laidlaw and Mary McDonald Cummings.  Grace married William Alfred Bouquet on 19 Oct 1918 at 7 Merchiston Avenue, Edinburgh, SCT.  Grace and William had 2 children:

Mollie and Joan Ella Bouquet.  Joan was born 6 Dec 1931 in Yass, NSW and died 24 Dec 1991 in Vincentia, NSW.


William Alfred Bouquet, died 11-8-1984, loving husband of Grace (dec'd) cherished Father of Mollie and Joan, Father-in-Law of Bob (Robert George Lake, beloved Pa of Kristine, Ian, Wendy, Michael, Clare and Anita, Stuart, Sarah and Allan.


Pat McGufficke


Regards,  Ian


From: Pat McGufficke
Sent: 2014-03-30 6:38 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Duncan, Daniel (I134158)


Proposed Change: Duncan, Daniel (I134158)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I134158&tree=MP


Description: Daniel born 4 Oct 1851 in Pambula, NSW


Pat McGufficke


Regards,  Ian



From: Pat McGufficke  

Sent: Sunday, 30 March 2014 6:40 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Duncan, John (I134162)


Proposed Change: Duncan, John (I134162)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I134162&tree=MP


Description: John Duncan died 8 Nov 1898 in Cobargo, NSW


Pat McGufficke


Regards,  Ian



From: Ian Burke
Sent: Saturday, 29 March 2014 8:58 AM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers - Charles George Robinson

Dear Ian


I try not to bother you to let you get on with the website, but I would really appreciate it if you could look at this one for me….


I am piecing together a history of the area between Berridale and Rocky Plain – this is where Monaro starts to give way to the Alps and the road start to ascend into the mountains.  There are some really interesting things about this area.


One place of great interest is Hugundra.  This was the first station “carved out of” Gegedzerick, I think around the late 1830s-1840s.   It seems that Gegedzerick (Brooks) had great difficulty controlling “his” land in the mountains – it was all he could do to control the encroachments on “his” land out on the plains.  So that someone could come and squat in a very hilly place like Hugundra and would be there a year or two before Brooks’s men realized he was there – by which time he would claim to own the place and to have established a station….


This is what happened with Hugundra and by 1848 it was recognized as a separate station and granted a licence to occupy.    (By then Brooks was awake to the game and moved swiftly to secure Rocky Plain and Biggam higher up the mountains to the north and Middlingbank further along; down south he secured all the way to Jindabyne except for Geickle and Karat (Joe Varney) – comparatively small encroachments on a vast area of land ….


Hugundra was broken up by selection – it was never properly surveyed so that by 1862 much appeared on the map as “unoccupied”, from what I can make out.  One of the main selectors was Charles George Robinson (and his children) I think he secured about 1,000 acres altogether – I think he started selecting there in about 1865.


The Charles George Robinson on the Pioneers website would have to be him I think but there is no mention of Hugundra – which I think he sold about 1886 and moved to Delegate.  The family details just seem to fizzle out and I can’t make out if he is related to the other Robinsons (from Greenland, Nimitabel) or how.


So I was just wondering if you knew anymore than is on the website or where the information on the website comes from – is there anyone I could contact?  I think there must be descendants somewhere.  I’d really like to fill this bit in more if I could.


Regards,  Ian

Hi Ian,

I don't have any other information unfortunately, what we have was compiled during my research activities, no other contacts available.  This email will be in the next newsletter and that might prompt someone to help you.

Regards,  Ian    

Thanks for this Ian. It is pretty amazing that even that bit of information is available, I don’t know how you do it!  But it is such a vast help for someone like me who doesn’t enjoy fossicking around trying to find people…


I am pretty sure this would have to be the Charles George Robinson of Hugundra as all the dates you have so far seem to fit. I will be looking at this family closely (for other reasons, there are some very interesting things about them), I will send you any further information if I find any – and also will send you the thing I am working on when I get it finished… (or even into first draft).


One can’t look at your database without wondering, just how many people have been here and “disappeared [practically] without trace”?  While looking at this I noticed the other Robertsons [spelled differently though] of Slapup, a selection down the end of Coolamatong.  They just seem to fizzle out too but seeing them on the pioneers database rang a bell, an old story from the people I knew as a kid in the 1950s, about “those Robertsons who used to be down at Slapup”  - apparently Mrs Robertson was pregnant with one of the children when some sort of “ghost” appeared, when the little boy was born he acted strangely, always tilting his head to the side as if looking at something no one else could see (of course, this was probably some sort of medical condition not then diagnosable) … he died very young and was buried at Gegedzerick, his grave was still visible in the 1950s (which is when I heard the story, every visit to the cemetery some old person told me something like this), I always remembered that story about the “enchanted child” who could see something no one else could ….  So “those Robertsons down at Slapup” really existed did they?  Amazing…..


Another thing that I am becoming a bit obsessed with is the convicts who were brought here – spending the rest of their lives here at the end of the world, never marrying, never really knowing anything like “a life” – just to die and disappear into an unmarked grave somewhere …. A lot of them at Gegedzerick I think.  They have no descendants to get their names on your database – and in fact without any sort of family tree they wouldn’t look too good anyway.  But I think we still have some sort of “obligation” to make some sort of record that they were here, and I am working on it.


Attached is something I wrote a while back, about one of them (another tale from the cemetery) this grave did have a marker of sorts but his identity was still in danger of being lost.  My grandfather knew him and I knew who he was) despite the weird tales that were going round about the grave) so I wrote this.  I was a bit haunted by the story of a boy of 17 plucked off the streets of London and sent here, never again to see his native home or family, and now to rest in that grave (I am sure there are many others the same – only we don’t even know where their graves are)


I got something a bit wrong, his first master was Robert Futter (not Jutter, this was a mistake in transcription of the Convict Muster), Futter was the first settler south of Sydney, at Lumley Park Bungonia and a very interesting man in his own right, famous for his good treatment of his convicts.  He died suddenly in 1842 – which seems to be the reason Tim come on south to Gegedzerick.  I later published a correction on this but unfortunately I can’t have kept a copy of it….. 


There is a sharp watershed in Monaro society between the early period of convict days and then the 1850s and 1860s when selection started, I suppose this is reflective of Australian society as a whole.  But I think I was privileged to get a glimpse of the old Macquarie liberalism in the last generation I knew in the 1950s, it died forever with them.



Hi Ian,

Wow, thank you.  James Langshaw does indeed belong in the MP database and now he does thanks to you and your article (added to his record for all to see and his headstone added to Gegedzerick Cemetery).


I am sure there are many more who should also be included but are not simply because I have not received any information to prompt the inclusion.  Perhaps this might stir others to send details for inclusion.  


If you have any more you want added please let me know.

Regards,  Ian



From: Judy Paske
Sent: Thursday, 27 March 2014 5:07 PM
Subject: WW1 diggers

Hi Ian,


In response to your request in last Monaro Pioneer’s newsletter asking for photos of WW1 enlistees.  I am attaching photos of my husband’s uncles, Alexander (#222) and Charles (#224) Baker who are both listed on your WW1 Enlistees database.  I am afraid the quality of photos are not the best so hope they will be suitable to add to database.


It is a fantastic job that you do in compiling the Monaro Pioneers website and it is a valuable history document.


Best wishes,  Judy Paske

Thank you Judy, your photos are fine.

Sadly, the response to my appeal has been somewhat disappointing but I hope there will be a lot more like yourself who are willing to contribute these valuable images to ensure the memory of these wonderful brave people are never forgotten.

Regards,   Ian



From: Susan Withycombe
Sent: Wednesday, 26 March 2014 12:54 PM
Subject: History of Myalla


My name is Susan-Mary Withycombe.  I am a social historian based in Canberra, but with a small property on the Monaro to the south-west of Bredbo.  


At present I am completing a history of Myalla Station, for which I have found your Monaro Pioneers website very useful indeed.  I am emailing you now with a couple of additions to your World War 2 Enlistees pages, namely the young Ferguson brothers, Ian and Alan, who were born at Myalla – youngest 2 sons of Gilbert Ferguson and Ellen, née Pratt.  Both served in the RAAF.  Service records as follows:

Ferguson, Ian Arthur, NAA Series No A9300, item barcode 5253336;  http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=R&VeteranId=1047162 


Ferguson, Alan Douglas, NAA Series No A9300, Item barcode 5381843, digital copy available, and http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/Veteran.aspx?ServiceId=R&VeteranId=1047148


Secondly, I am interested in the photograph of Biggenhook, in your Aboriginal section.  It would make a very good illustration for the book, and I wonder whom I should contact to ask permission to use it?  


Perhaps you may know where I might obtain a suitably horrible picture of the rabbit plague on the Monaro, and also of the opening of the railway station at Cooma – both are significant events in my story.  

Yours sincerely,   Susan-Mary Withycombe.

Thank you Susan-Mary, you have our permission to use the photo.

Regards,  Ian



Subject: Proposed Change: Williams, Amos Edward (I66978)

From:    "Margaret Parker"

Date:    Wed, March 19, 2014 1:42 pm



Proposed Change: Williams, Amos Edward (I66978)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I66978&tree=MP


Description:  Eldest child of Amos & Millicent Williams was  Edward John born 11th November 1910 at Gayndah Qld. Died Cooma  November 1996 buried at Gegedzerick cemetery Berridale. Married Alma Margaret Suthern 30th August

1932 at All Saints Church Berridale. She died in Cooma 17th August

2005 in Cooma.


Margaret Parker


Regards,  Ian



Subject: Proposed Change: Glass, John William (I135086)

From:    "leah burke"

Date:    Thu, March 20, 2014 8:25 am



Proposed Change: Glass, John William (I135086)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I135086&tree=MP


Description: I have a death cert 05732 for Emma Glass, died 14 Sept 1875 age

5 months. father John William Glass age 29 mother Emma Kelly witnesses Henry Glass Mary Phillips.

so it appears John and Emma Glass had another baby born c April 1875.


I also have a birth cert 00943 for Ann Marie 30 May 1875 father John William Glass mother Emma formerly Kelly, nurse Mrs Mackey.


it appears John and Emma had two sets of twins.

The birth cert 13155 for Jane Mary states younger born of twins but the birth cert and death cert for Ann Maria and Emma dont have this recorded??????


leah burke


Regards,  Ian



From: Abbey Sim
Sent: Monday, 24 March 2014 8:12 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers Project


Hello sir,

I am emailing you about the Monaro Pioneers Project and would like to offer some details about the descendants of one of the pioneers. The pioneer, John Whiteman's granddaughter (through his son Arthur Whiteman) Elsie Rosina Blanch Whiteman is referenced in your records.

You have stated that she was born in 1897 and died on 12th July 1916. I thank you for this information as it has been greatly helpful to me. However, I would also like to add some additional information. When Elsie was alive, approximately two years before she died (sorry, I cannot remember the exact dates off the top of my head), she had a baby boy.

This baby boy was named Eric and he was adopted by the Fitzgerald family. Hearsay within the family suggests that Elsie died of a broken heart as a result of giving up her child, but I am unsure of her exact cause of death. I do know, however, that Eric's birth was registered under the name of Eric Keith Whiteman. He unofficially adopted the name Fitzgerald and only changed it legally to Fitzgerald when he married.

Eric married a woman named Nellie 'Jean' Kingston and they have three children together. Eric has since passed away, but his wife, my Nanna Jean, is still alive. She was 95 last week. They have three children together, seven grandchildren and ten great-grandchildren (I am very much hoping that I haven't forgotten anyone when counting this up!).

I know all of this information because I am indeed one of these great-grandchildren. I linked my family history to this family thanks to my grandmother (Eric's daughter) and the NSW Births, Deaths and Marriages records. I am aware that you may already know this information, but if not, then I am glad to let you know. As a budding writer, I am fascinating by Elsie's story and any other information you could provide about her would be much appreciated.

Yours Sincerely,  Abbey Sim

Great-great-granddaughter of Elsie Whiteman

Hi Abbey,

Are you able to provide the exact dates and places for Eric's birth, death and marriage?

Regards,  Ian



From: Judi
Sent: Monday, 24 March 2014 4:26 PM
Subject: William Charles Goslett - Birth 1846

Hi Ian,


I was just having a look on the Rootsweb "The Monaro Pioneers Project - Pioneers and Settlers Database and have found William Charles Goslett, son of William Goslett and Mary Ann nee Turner with a Birth 1846.


This date led me back to the document I have in my posession, which I might add has the same information as listed on the webpage for William Charles Goslett being Page V18462112 34A/1846.


My copy of the Baptisms from the New South Wales Births, Deaths and Marriages Register show he was born 10 June 1849, Date of Ceremony 25 August 1849.  The date of purchase for this document is 8 Nov, 2002.


I can also confirm William Charles Goslett died 13 April 1931, District Hospital, Yass and was laid to rest 16 April 1931, Methodist Cemetery, Yass.  William Never Married.


Kindest regards,  Judith

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Neville Foster
Sent: Monday, 24 March 2014 9:40 AM
Subject: Location of property

Hi Ian

For many years I have been trying to locate the birth place of my father. Records from NSW birth Registration as  Henry Foster (also known as Harry or Harold)

Date of birth 3-11-1895        PLACE of birth - Woolway, Monaro NSW       

Mother Caroline Foster    shown as Adaminaby Road Cooma.   Present at birth Sarah Foster.


As we will be travelling in the area later in the year I would like to know if property 'Woolway" is still in existence and the exact location.  I located where property 'Murranumbla and Woolway' was owned by Abram Brierly.

Hoping you may be able to help.

Regards,  Neville

Hi Neville,

Your email will appear in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers can assist you.  Alternatively, you could contact the Cooma Historical Society.

Regards,  Ian



From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: Sunday, 23 March 2014 9:53 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: ELTON, Amy Constance I84082 & WILSON, Frank C I84083



Proposed Change: Elton, Amy Constance (I84082)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I84082&tree=MP




Christened:      9 March 1902, St Matthias Church of England, Bombala

Died:               5 November 1968, Wagga Wagga, NSW                                                 NSW BDM Index 43639/1968

Buried:            7 November 1968, Wagga Wagga Monumental Cemetery, NSW                Registration Number: M68-163, Location: ANG-M-A-0014

Married 1:       15 April 1925, St Saviour’s Cathedral, Goulburn                                   NSW BDM Index 7974/1925        


Attached            Marriage transcript for Amy and Frank 1925


Married 2:          14 June 1952, St Andrew’s Church, Wagga Wagga, NSW                 NSW BDM Index 18776/1952


Attached            Marriage transcript for Amy and Leonard 1952


New Individual:           Leonard Masson

Born:                    1902, Inverness, Scotland

Died:               30 July 1967, Wagga Wagga, NSW                                                             NSW BDM Index 37194/1967                                     

Buried:            1967, Wagga Wagga Monumental Cemetery, NSW                           Registration Number: M-04972, Location: PRES-S02-D-0022


Proposed Change: Wilson, Frank C (I84083)

Name:             Wilson, Frank Colin

Born:              1893, Camperdown, Vic


Regards, Gregory

Thanks Gregory,

Regards,  Ian



From: Axcan
Sent: Sunday, 23 March 2014 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: David Haye Clark

Dear Ian,


I have just found my Mother’s family on her father’s side on your site.  The family always referred to my Grandfather as David Hoye Clark so now I am wondering if they were wrong and it was Haye as it is in these records as all the other names seem what the family talked of.  If there is any more information about the Clark family I would love to hear it as I was very close to Herbert Harold Clark (Uncle Harry) he was often mistaken for my father. My grandfather died when I was 6months old.


David Haye or Hoye Clark was married to Elsie Smede (Lue NSW)  I think they were married in Mudgee.  They had one daughter my mother Melba Elsie Devenney Clark.  She married Robert George May of Strathfield July I think 1941.  I believe my grandfather was married before and that his first wife died leaving him with a little daughter Lorna Clark.


Kindest Regards,  Pamela Stoneman (Mrs)

Hi Pamela,

Thank you for the information, I now believe that Hoye is the correct spelling for his second name and he must have added the "e" to his surname  as he died as Clarke.

Regards,  Ian



From: Lynn Rees
Sent: Friday, 21 March 2014 8:48 PM
Subject: Rees Moore pioneers descendant

Hi Ian,

I am Lynn Rees of the Moore/Rees pioneer clan.

I have lots of photos that you may be interested in.

I have tried to contact Karen Klima, but no luck yet. She is a cousin. The link to her website on the William Rees page does not work and a Google search did not find it either.


If you would like a CD copy of the photos of my ancestors I am happy to provide it. I have a family photo of William Rees.

I did post the CD to my Cooma relatives several years ago, June Dykes and Moya Goodison.


Yours sincerely,  Lynn Rees
Hi Lynn,

Thank you for letting us know.  Is it possible to send any relevant photos via email with suitable captions?

Regards,  Ian



From: David Schweickle
Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2014 8:50 PM
Subject: James and Crutchley Families who came to Nimmitabel from Wolverhampton


The early ancestor of the James family was Joseph who married Elisabeth Willington .He was born in Ireland or Scotland .He and his wife are buried in the Tettenhal church yard ,Wolverhampton.His son James James was born in St Peter and St Paul in 1799 .He later married Nancy Crutchley at St Peters Wolverhampton.They had a son Michael who is buried in the graveyard at Tettenhal aged 4 in 1856. James James buried his son in the family plot. Most of their other children are christened in St Lukes.  James James owned the Castle Inn in Wolverhampton. Nancy’s grandfather was  Henry Crutchley married to Hannah Bentley 8th August 1757 in Rugley. Her father was Henry Crutchley born 1777 in Longdon by Lichfield married to Isabella Horton born 1782 in Tanworth Warwick ,father John married to Mary Wells.The Wells family goes back into Norman historyas do other families.


My mother was Moya James ,father Henry married to Annie Gertrude Ross .Moya my mother  was married to Frederick Schweickle. They lived at Waverton,Sydney.


Best Wishes ,  David Schweickle.   

Hi David,

Thank you for the information.  Any further details you can provide would be most welcome.

Regards,  Ian



From: Phil.Goodwin
Sent: Sunday, 16 March 2014 7:53 PM
Cc: Monaro Pioneers
Subject: WW1 Veteran photo

Hi Ian

Thought you might like the attached images of my grandfather William Bede Goodwin – Anzac 1st Field Engineers – landed in the initial landing early in the morning as one of the truest Anzacs at Gallipoli and survived.

Cheers,  Phil Goodwin

Thank you Phil,

Regards,  Ian



From: Les Hodge
Sent: Sunday, 16 March 2014 7:01 PM
Subject: RE: Request for newsletter and also inclusion of planned reunion.

Hi David,

                   Firstly let me introduce myself – my name is Les Hodge and I currently live at Geelong in Victoria.   I am a descendant of Monaro families being the Matthews family from the Bendoc, Bombala area on my mother’s side and the HODGE  and O’Rourke families from the Buchan/Gelantipy, Suggan Buggan and Appin areas on my father’s side.    I have been following the Monaro Pioneers webside for some years now, having developed a keen interest to learn more about my family history.   I would welcome receipt of your newsletter per email please to my address at herb1962@bigpond.com

I note that the administrators welcome any donations to assist in the continued operation of this valuable database and would ask if you could provide details per return email as to how I may go about making such a donation.


I also ask if it is possible to include in you next newsletter or on the Monaro Pioneers webside details of a forthcoming reunion as detailed following.


Notice to all descendants of convict Michael Rourke (family known in Australia as O’Rourke) who arrived in Sydney on 6/5/1814 on the convict ship Three Bees.

A social get-together of Michael O’Rourke’s descendant is to be held at the Wulgumerang Recreation Reserve, 381 Snowy River Road, Wulgumerang, Victoria 3885 on Saturday the 3rd and Sunday the 4th of May, 2014 to celebrate 200 years of his arrival in this country.      Michael O’Rourke lived at Appin, New South Wales and descendants of Michael are known to have lived in the Cooma, Jindabyne, Moonbah areas of the Monaro and in the Wulgumerang, Black Mountain, Suggan Buggan areas of far East Gippsland.

The Wulgumerang Recreation Reserve has plenty of room for tents and caravans.  There are also showers, toilets a BBQ shed and pavilion with several fridges available.

This weekend will be a BYO food, drinks and bedding.  The idea being to make it an enjoyable social gathering with as little cost to everyone as possible.

For further information please contact Nigel Hodge, 4465 Gelantipy Road, Gelantipy  Vic 3885.  Phone 03-5155 0261. 

Regards,    Les Hodge

Hi Les,

What we seek is information donations, additional details to expand and/or correct the information we have to make the database more useful.  We also seek images of documents and photos of individuals and headstones etc. to enrich the record of people and families.  The more we get, the more interconnections we make, the more useful the result.


If everyone who extracted information from our database could also add something in return, everyone benefits.  There are so many dates and places that are just year and district of registration which hopefully one day will be updated to actual date and place.  So many families incomplete because of BDM cut-off limitations, so many people with no known death or burial information.  No doubt there are still entire families yet to be added.  Without the generous contributions of the hundreds of family researchers, the MP database would and could not exist.


We are not looking for any financial contributions at this stage although your kind offer is most appreciated.

Regards,  Ian Harvey

Monaro Pioneers Project

Thank you Ian,

                    I have quite a bit of information regarding John Matthews family who were around the Bombala, Bendoc, Bonang area from my mother’s side.  John Matthews and his wife Rebecca Collins are both buried in the Bombala Cemetery, the location of the grave unmarked.     John died 51 yrs in 1897, as the result of a fall from his horse while crossing the Little Plains Bridge when returning home to Bendoc from Bombala.    I also have details of the O’Rourke family who held runs at Suggan Buggan, Gelantipy and Benambra from my father’s side.   I will sort out what I can for you and pass on to you.

Regards,      Les Hodge



From: David
Sent: Saturday, 15 March 2014 12:26 PM
Subject: John McKay

Hi Ian,

Had tried to contact the person I thought was responsible for the article re George McKay, but the e-mail bounced back. I am hoping you are able to assist me.


The following is the e-mail that I had sent.


Then point being that it states in the article that John McKay never married yet I am able to only find my GGGrandfather as the only John McKay that died in 1901 so I am praying this is him as I have not been able to get past him to his parents etc.


Any help you may be will be much appreciated.

Kind Regards



Hi Christine,

Not sure if you are able to assist me or not. I have joined the Eden Monaro pioneers web site to do some research and I notice in an article on George McKay it mentions John McKay who died in 1901.


Your name is at the end of this article, I was wondering if you are able to assist me further in relation to John McKay. I have checked on NSW BDM and there is only 1 John McKay who died in 1901 and that is my GGGrandfather, (who I believe was born in 1826 in Kildare Ireland)


If you didn't place this information maybe you can assist me to contact the person who did?

Kind Regards,  David McKay

Hi David,

Can you please send me the link to the article you reference?

Regards,  Ian

Hi Ian,

Hopefully this is it ;



Just checked and it is, The comments are in the first paragraph.

Your assistance appreciated.

Kind Regards,  David McKay

Hi David,

We can put your request in our next newsletter, maybe one of our readers will be able to help you.

Regards,  Ian



From: Rex Harry
Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2014 7:42 PM
Subject: Henry Lewis Moon 1861-1928 AKA Harry Moon

Good evening

I have an interest in the Moon Family.

I have been researching Henry Lewis Moon s/o Frederick and Jane Moon.

He was born Bega/Eden 1861 #7216 and died 1928 #13156.

There is some conjecture as to where he is buried ie Bairnsdale or Buchan.

I have seen reference to a burial at Bairnsdale 27 Oct 1928. grave number 1819.Apparently he had died a couple of days earlier in the Bairnsdale Hospital.


My research indicates that he married Margaret Burns 1905 #769.

Margaret Burns was born 1880 Sale Victoria #24836 d/o Thomas Burns and Catherine English.


Henry and Margaret may have had a child who died as an infant.


A Moon family History indicates that his wife was Maggie Gray. This is contrary to my research.

I do not know if the marriage survived.

Is it possible for you to verify my findings.


I would appreciate any help you can give me.  

With thanks.  Rex Harry 

PS  My maternal grandparents lived at Buchan. My mother went to school in Buchan.

Hi Rex,

Your research agrees with a number of trees on Ancestry.Com.  I will amend our records accordingly.

Regards,  Ian

Thank you Ian.

I had noticed the Ancestry data but I have not been able to confirm that his wife was nee Maggie Burns and not Maggie Gray as a Moon family History suggestd.

“Trove” throws up a number of articles suggesting indiscretions which resulted in imprisonment.Perhaps we need not mention those at this juncture.


Can you please confirm that he was buried at Bairnsdale?

He did die in the Bairnsdale Hospital.

However I have seen mention of him having been buried at Buchan with his wife Maggie.


Catherine ( English Burns died 1922 Sale #11039.

Her Will names her children as Margaret Breen,Catherine Quinlan,Ellen McDermott and James Edward Burns ( b1886 Sale #21686 ).


I am still unclear as to the maiden name of Margaret/Maggie

It could be Burns,Breen or Gray.

You would think her mother would be clear on her daughters name.


Thanks very much for your help.  Rex

Hi Rex,

I don't have access to Bairnsdale cemetery records unfortunately so I am unable to verify that is the final resting place.

Regards,  Ian



From: Graham & Denise Corcoran
Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2014 8:14 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers Database - ID No 183743 Nina Ruby Cochran

Hi Neil

Our emails of 11th and 12th March 2014 refer.


Thank you for placing Douglas Corcoran’s name on the database. I have attached the photo of Nina Ruby Cochran and her family together with the letter dated 25 June 1986 from Audrey Maxwell (Ruby Cochran’s niece)which explains who is who in the photograph.


Your research skills are wonderful!


I would like to make an adjustment to Douglas Corcoran’s details (4th Generation No 77) Douglas married Gladys Eileen Watt in 1940 – she was a widow. Her father’s name was Patrick Francis Connolly, not Watt. Douglas Corcoran had 2 sons: Graham and Colin both of whom are still alive. We don’t know why Douglas’s birth was registered under the surname “Corcoran”. Was it an error on the part of the clerk entering the details on NSW Births, Deaths and Marriages Register? No father’s name was entered on the birth certificate and this has been a source of speculation for many years. It has been suggested by people in the Monaro area that Douglas and Max had the same father, Henry Edward (Harry) Oldfield. Harry Oldfield was allegedly refused permission to marry Ruby as he was not Catholic.  I don’t know if any one has any information that could shed some light on the matter.


Ruby Cochran’s other son was Max Arundel Cochran, born 4 October 1917 at the Nemingha Hospital, Redfern, the same hospital where Douglas was born. Max enlisted in the Australian Army during WW2 on 1 June 1940 and was discharged on 11 September 1945. He enlisted under the name Max John Cochran, service number NX23760. He had operational service in the Middle East with the 2/2 Machine Gun Battalion. In 1944 he married Dorothy Smith under the name Max John Cochran. The couple had a daughter, Veronica Gail Cochran, who sadly only lived 2 days and died on 9 March 1946. Dorothy Cochran filed for divorce in 1950. Max Cochran moved from Sydney to the Newcastle area and reverted to his given name of Max Arundel Cochran. Under that name he married Nellie Nichols in 1953 – they had no children. I believe Max Cochran died around 1983 but I am not sure of the date.


Douglas and Max knew each other but not very well. Ruby wrote to Doug for some years and they met up a number of times usually at the Sydney Royal Easter Show. Our family still holds some of the letters from Ruby to Douglas. When my husband, his brother and sister-in-law and I met Audrey Maxwell in Sydney in early 1986 we showed her and her son who accompanied her to the meeting, the letters from Ruby to confirm that they were genuine. Audrey and her son had no hesitation in stating that the letters were written by Ruby. Audrey stated she was aware of Doug’s birth and we were later thrilled to receive a copy of a photograph of Doug when he was a baby which Audrey kindly sent to us. I have attached a copy of that photo.


Thank you so much for your help in this matter. If anyone in your area knows anything about who Douglas’s father could have been, I would be grateful if you could pass on the information.


Once again, thank you.

Kind regards,  Denise

Thank you Denise,

Regards,  Ian



From: David Bell

Sent: Friday, 14 March 2014 12:08 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Family: West, Hercules Francis Morgan/Norris, Valerie Ellen (F23710)


Proposed Change: Family: West, Hercules Francis Morgan/Norris, Valerie Ellen


Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F23710&tree=MP


Description: Alan Hercules West died in Gundagai and not in Wagga.

He is buried in Adaminaby (New Cemetary)


Neville James West died and buried in West Wyalong


Hercules West and Valerie had another child Daphne Ellen West who married John William George Bell son of John Bartholomew (Jack) Bell and Adrienne Bell (nee Sutton)


Daphne Ellen was born 15/2 1935


She and John William George Bell had 3 children

David John, Kathryn Ellen, Rebecca Francis and  Melissa


David Bell

Thank you David,

Regards,  Ian



From: Ken Wiblin
Sent: Thursday, 13 March 2014 7:57 AM
Subject: For Monaro Pioneers: Photos of WW1 Digger from Bombala

Hi Ian,


In response to your appeal I have attached copies of 3 photos of my Grandfather – Sgt Edward Horace (“Horrie”) Hart MM (1889 – 1974). Horrie was from Bombala and was the eldest son of Michael Henry Hart (1849 – 1936) – a local blacksmith – and Mary Frances Kennedy (1867 – 1922) also from the Bombala area.


The photos:


·         EH_Hart#02        -              taken in 1915 in Sydney not long after his enlistment in August of that year.

·         EH_Hart#07        -              while on service in Europe (probably taken in London for sending back to family).

·         EH_Hart#11        -              Horrie (standing at extreme right of photo) with some other diggers and French families after the war.   


Horrie Hart was awarded the Military Medal for actions at Villers Bretonneux in August 1918 while a Corporal in 53rd Battery, 14th Field Artillery Brigade:


Citation –



                53rd Battery, 14th Australian Field Artillery Brigade. 5th Australian Division.

                #3250. Corporal Edward Horace Hart. (Appeared as Horace Edward Hart in the Citation).

                Action for which commended:


"During the operations of 8th August 1918 in front of HAMEL - VILLERS BRETONNEUX, this N.C.O. was in charge of Wagon Lines of the forward section of the 53rd Battery, and throughout, his coolness and personal disregard of danger and the presence of mind under intense shell fire and in the midst of galloping cavalry, was mainly responsible for the safe withdrawal of guns and wagons to a flank. The work performed by this N.C.O. throughout the day was of a very high order and is deserving of special recognition."

Recommended by A.J. BESSELL-BROWNE, Brigadier-General.  5th Australian Division.

Signed by J. TALBOT HOBBS. Major-General. Commanding 5th AUSTRALIAN DIVISION.


Regards,  Ken Wiblin

Thank you Ken,

Regards,  Ian


From: ray15

Sent: Wednesday, 12 March 2014 2:01 AM

Subject: "Old Monaro" for the Newsletter

Hello David.

I just found this wonderful listing on Trove, and felt that readers of the Monaro Pioneers Newsletter might like to read it.

Additionally, there might be somewhere on the site itself where it would also fit.


Kind Regards, and thanks as always to you and to Ian for ALL that you continue to do for the MP site.

Ray H.


Extracted from:




The Bombala Times


Friday 2 August 1918


page 6, column 1.


“ Old Monaro.

By A.H.W.   


In writing these notes on old Monaro a feeling of sadness comes over me when I think that not only all these old hotel and storekeepers of the early sixties, but also all the old pastoralists of that time — nearly all of whom I was acquainted with, and very many of whom were intimate friends — are now all dead and gone. I will give a list of the different holdings and their, at that time, owners, starting from Michelago, and going to the Victorian border. Messrs. A. and D.Ryrie (Michelago, Burnima, and Maffra), J. Cosgrove, senr. (Billilingra), M. Harnett (Rosebrook), P. J. J. Clifford (Rose valley and Bredbo), W.Bradley (Coolringdon, Dangelong, Myalla, and Bibbenluke), J. Montague, senr. (Green Hills), O. Lampie (Wambrook), afterwards J. Hassell ; Mrs. Castles (Island Lake), afterwards J. Hassell ; Mrs. Talkinton and her sons, A., W. and H. Brook (Gegedzerick), A. Bloomfield (Coolamatong), A. Hamilton (Woolway), J . Pendergast, senr. (Cottage Creek), Mrs. C. Wright (Bobundra), S., J., and G. Rolfe and Thos. Clark (Ironmongie and Dog Kennel), J. Peters (Bungarby), J. Langhorne, senr.

(The Junction), D. Driscol (Summer Hill), John Barry (Moonbah), J. Thompson (Cohbin), A. Crisp (Jimenbuen and Matong), Jas. and Jno. Thomas (Crewah), Mrs. Stewart (Tirvin), D. Ryrie (Burnima), Joseph D. Stafford and P. McCoy (Archer's Flat), J. Boucher (Bukalong), W. Graham (Gunningrah), D. Garnock, senr. (Mount Pleasant), J. and R. Kyle (Gallagher's Plain), H. T. Edwards, manager (Bibbenluke), Capt. Campbell (Bombala Station, now called Cambalang), D. Mackay, manager for Sir James Matherson (Aston), H. M. Joseph (Maharatta, E. Jonas manager), J. Duegood (Mila), Capt. Stevenson (Bondi), J. Nicholson (Little Plain), H. Nicholson (Dundundra), E. Nicholson (Mountain Top), Miss Campbell (Delegate Station, A. McKeachie manager, and Mount Cooper, Capt. McKeachie manager), D. Bell (SpringFlat), Mrs. Silk (Boco), W. Jardine (Curry Flat), Stuart Ryrie (Jindabyne), D. Ryrie (Kalkite), T. O'Mara.(Bobundra South), Mrs. Ecclestun, adjoining Wm.

Rutherford (Marinumla), C. Woodhouse (Goose's Plain), Williams Bros. (Willis and Biddi), J. Hayden (Merambego), W. McKay (Wallendibby), D. Rankin (Brown's Camp), D. O'Hare (Corrowong and Tombong), J. Ryan (The Junction and Glenroy), H. Haydon (Haydon Park). J. Litchfield was only then just making a start with his first C.P. at Old Spring Well. Afterwards, by selecting and purchasing out others, he secured a large portion of the best of old Coolringdon leasehold. All the above named, besides many more not named in the Adaminaby neighbourhood, have now passed away, and also many of the next generation ; for instance, the three sons of Mr. John Cosgrove, the three sons of Mrs. Talkington (Arthur, William, and Henry Brooks), I cannot help, as I said before, a feeling of loneliness and sadness when I remember all the pleasant socialities I used to enjoy with many of this array of departed ones. But, on the other hand, it is a great pleasure, on looking around all over Monaro, to see the descendants of others whose parents in those early days were in a very humble position financially like myself, but have now worked their way up to independence and comfort, and some of whom are amongst the leading pastoralists and settlers on the land. I have given the names of nearly all the old leaseholders of olden days. I will now mention some of the first settlers under Sir John Robertson's Act of '61, selection before survey, and its subsequent very many amendments. Under the original Act the area allowed was altogether too small for a living area in a pastoral district, and this led to a great deal of abuse and dummyism to enable a man to get sufficient area to live on ; and many were hemmed in and surrounded by some of the station holders' dummies, and consequently ruined at the start. Any man with a big family to take up several blocks adjoining at the start was all right. Amongst the first to start under this Act about Cooma were Mr. James Litchfield, Mr. Devereux (father of Mr. James Devereux), Mr. Mooney, Messrs. Wm. and C. Blighton, G. Pendergast, John Welsh, Goodwin Bros., Ryal Bros., H. Stuart, Samuel and Thompson Myers, and many others too numerous to mention. Around Bombala and Delegate, Messrs John Murphy, Jigger Bulgarie, M. Snell, Jas., Jno. and Jos. Thomas, Jno. Groves, C. Trevanion, S. White, Thos. Armstrong, R. Stevensen, A. Brownlie, John Ingram, Beveridge senr., Richardson senr, J. and S. Corcoran, C.

Sherrin, G. and T. Branch, C. Dorl, and others around Delegate. Delegate Station for many years was a goldreserve, and not open, but on the day of its being thrown open there was a general rush at the Land Office, and some of those who obtained land outside the station representative were D. Rankin, D. Campbell, R. Liddle, T. Oliver, T. Martin, G. Ivill, H. Hensleigh, Mrs. Biddulph, and others.   First selections on Tombong were taken up by Campbell Bros., C. Stokes, A. H. Wright, John Ingram, James Walker, J. Manning, and J. Epplestun. Delegate River — M. Sharpe, J. Jones, M. Tierney. Craigie — W. Roberts, R. Roberts. J. Bruce, Rozensky senr., C. Robinson, W. Reed, J. Forrest, A. Gardener, J. Dester, and others.

Thanks Ray,

The Article can now be read on the MP site at ...




Regards,  Ian



From: Graham & Denise Corcoran
Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2014 7:14 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers Database - ID No 183743 Nina Ruby Cochran

Dear Mr Harvey

We have been researching my husband’s family history and have been in touch with Audrey Maxwell about obtaining photographs of Nina Ruby Cochran (my husband’s grandmother).  Ruby Cochran, as she was known, had 2 sons both born out of wedlock. The elder son was my husband’s father, Douglas Graham Colquhoun Corcoran, born 1912. Mrs Maxwell has kindly provided a photograph of Ruby as a young woman with her family and also gave us a copy of a photograph of Douglas when he was a baby. Is it possible to have the names of Ruby’s sons placed on the database, please or some acknowledgement of their existence? It seems that it was common knowledge in the area that Ruby had 2 sons but it would be lovely to have them formally acknowledged.

Kind regards,  Denise Corcoran

Hi Denise,

Until now we were unaware of the existence of any children for Nina Ruby.  If you would care to supply the details of her sons I would be delighted to add them and their descendants to our database.  I could also add the image of Nina if you send me a copy.

Regards,  Ian



From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2014 12:47 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: COOTES, William Samuel I10734



Proposed Change: Cootes, William Samuel (I10734)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I10734&tree=MP


Description:                 Military Service    


Delegate Argus Thursday 12 July 1917 page 2


Soldiers’ Letters


Private W. S. Cootes writes as follows to his parents (Mr. and Mrs. S. J. Cootes, of Cathcart),from Cambridge Hospital, Aldershot, England, under date April 19th .—

   " I suppose you have wondered at not hearing from me for a long while. To tell you the truth, it was not my fault, for we were on the battlefields for such a longtime without being relieved and we could not get letters through. We were busy covering the ground over which the Germans had retired. I suppose you have heard about the evacuation on the Somme and about the Australians getting into Bapaume first. Well, we were amongst it all, scrapping with the Huns all the time. We were put into a bayonet charge on April 2nd, and that was where I was wounded. The 55th and 56thBattalions took two villages. Charlie was in the same fight but I have not heard how he got on.[Charlie, who is another son of Mr. and Mrs. Cootes, was killed in the engagement mentioned — ED.]. I was shot through both thighs. I have been under three operations so far, and I hope to be soon on the mend again. I went under one operation in France and two in England. I am now in an English hospital, but hope very soon to be in an Australian hospital, where I will feel more at home. I don't care much for the English hospitals. I am being treated by an Australian lady doctor. It is quite a treat to get away from active service for a while, and England is a place worth seeing although I have not seen any of it yet, but will when I get out of hospital. When I am discharged from the hospital I get 14 days' leave in London. I didn't care about cabling for the money but I suppose you have it in the bank for me and it is no use being in London without a shilling, is it? I must now ring off, hoping this finds you all in the best of health. Don't worry about me for I'll he alright shortly. We all think the war is nearly at an end now — anyway we hope so. Fond love to all at home."


Regards, Gregory



From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: Tuesday, 11 March 2014 11:46 AM
Subject: Proposed Change: COOTES, Charles James I10731


I’m not sure if the item below should be placed in Charles’ individual record or in the War Efforts heading. Should there be another heading for War Letters? I’m looking through Trove particular for COOTES but have noticed a number of letters supplied to the Delegate Argus from soldiers directly and or by their relatives.


Proposed Change: Cootes, Charles James (I10731)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I10731&tree=MP


Military Service


Delegate Argus Thursday 10 May 1917 page 2


Soldiers' Letters.

Private C. J, Cootes, who has since died of wounds received in France, wrote our editor as follows, under date Feb. 5 : —

   '' Just a line to let you know I am quite well, and hope all in Delegate are O.K. I was talking to Jim Sims the other day, and had a great yarn to him about "bleak Monaro," as we call it, but it is not as bleak as the place we are in now. The “Snowies” joined up their battalion on Xmas Eve, and went into action in January for the first time. Some of them were a bit nervous for a bit, but I think everyone is, although one soon gets used to it. I received a few copies of the "Argus " the other day from a friend in Delegate. I noticed by it that quite a lot of the chaps there have applied for exemption from enlisting. They ought to try and  warm their feet and do their bit for sunny Australia, for there is no place in the world like it, and a fellow doesn't know it until he has left it. I've been in the firing line now for eight months, never out of reach of a shell, and, although it's not the game it's cracked up to be, I'm glad I didn't miss it. All the Monaro lads are well, excepting Les. Brill, who has been slightly wounded by shrapnel. Jim Brill [also since, killed — ED.]is in the same battalion as me, and whenever we get a local paper we pass it round to all the Monaro lads. I suppose you knew poor Herb. Bartley was killed. It must have been a great blow to the people of Delegate, but I think the men in his company felt it just as much, for everyone who knew him fairly worshipped him, and the men say themselves they will never get another Quartermaster like him. George Reed was taken prisoner the same time that Herb, was killed, and also Ray Stevens, from Bega. Did you know Herb. Meaker, from Bega, had been awarded the D.C.M. He killed six Germans and captured four others, so he didn't do too bad. I don't think a man knows how good he is until he is pinched. Les. Brill also has a Military Medal. I think this is all the news for this time, so I will drop anchor."


Ian the following letter followed the one above in the Delegate Argus, and is from James Watson Jones I94041


Mrs. E. S. Jones hands us the following letter from her son, Private J. W. Jones, dated February16th :—

   "Just a line to let you know how things are going. It has been terribly cold here this last month. It seems funny to be here at Christmas time nearly freezing, whilst over there it is roasting. I have seen most of the " Snowies, " who are in the 55th Battalion, and they all look well. It was good to see some of the old faces, after having had a long spell on my own. George Oliver from Bombala is in the same company as me, and Roddy McDonald and I are camped in the same dug-out. I have met Roley Oliver and Charlie Cootes. The latter had a couple of Delegate papers, and I had a good smile reading the Exemption Court news. It's funny to  read the " gags " some of them are coming at in their efforts to get out of it. I am here now and some of them will probably say it suits me to talk, but it's something I wouldn't have missed for anything. I was talking to some of Herb. Bartley's old battalion, and they say he was killed on19th July, 1916. He belonged to the 53rd Battalion, and was killed a few days before I joined it. The papers you send come fairly regular, but I haven't received a parcel of any description since leaving Australia. There is nothing much to write of, as you see more in the papers than I know of or can tell you. All I know is that we are winning and giving Fritz all he wants — and a little more. We had a pretty quiet Xmas, but we had it out of the line. With fond love to all at home and kind regards to all friends I will close."

Regards, Gregory

Hi Gregory,

Thank you for this information, I have decided it would be more relevant to show this as part of each individual's record in the database.

Regards,  Ian



Subject: George Henry Lewis.WWI Photo BMP

From:    "R & C Wroe"

Date:    Mon, March 10, 2014 12:17 pm


> Hello David,

> I meant to add the following details regarding George  " Harry" Henry Lewis.

> He was the older brother of Charlie Lewis who was married to Rosanna Maud (nee Kelley known as Polly) my Paternal Grandmothers eldest

> sister.

> Regards,  Robert  Wroe

>  -----Original Message-----

> From:        R & C Wroe

> Sent:         Monday, 10 March 2014 11:39 AM

> Subject:     George Henry Lewis.WWI Photo BMP

>  << File: GHLewis.BMP >>

> Good Morning David,

> I trust that this works.

> Please find attached a photograph of George Henry Lewis known as

> "Harry" B 1873 - D 3/5/1956 Berridale. He sent this photo to Charlie

> (his brother) & Rosanna (nee Kelley known as Polly)

> Military Service Details Private 2179 55th Battalion 1st AIF.

> Regards,  Robert Wroe



Subject: ASA Tozer WWI Photo

From:    "Wroe"

Date:    Mon, March 10, 2014 12:10 pm


Hello David,

Please find attached a photo of Pte Alfred Sydney Albert TOZER. Military Service No 2245, 55th Battalion 1st AIF.


Son of John Thomas Tozer & Anna (Scanes) .


Alfred was a younger brother of my GG Mother Elizabeth Jane Ann Tozer married Andrew James Kelley.


Regards,  Robert Wroe

Thanks Robert,

Regards,  Ian



From: Patricia McGufficke
Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: Photos for website

Dear Ian,

These are all WW2 servicemen listed on your website.


Photos of Ross and Margaret are from their enlistment papers and are quite small.  You may be able to enlarge the photographs to make them useable.


Edwin Ingram’s photograph is sent “To all at Home, Beruit 22 June 1941”.  Sent while he was serving in the Middle East.   

Kind regards, Pat

Hi Pat,

Is "Ted" Elton actually Austin Henry Elton?  If so who were his parents?   As for Margaret Eileen Foy, can you scan the document in high resolution which should enable me to enlarge the picture.

Regards,  Ian

Hello Ian,

There are several photos of Austin Henry Elton on the Australian War Memorial site which are copyright (unfortunately) which may help us identify if the photograph is that of Austin. 

It certainly shows the RAAF wings on his tunic, though I was given to believe the photo was Leonard Edwin Elton, son of  William Elton born 1867 and Elizabeth Jane Atkins who was a Staff Sergeant in the Australian Army Canteen Services.  It looks like someone may have made a mistake.








Austin’s mother was Ida May Elton born 1891 Bombala, died 1969 Queanbeyan, NSW who married James William (Bradbury)White born 1891 Queanbeyan, died 23 Mar 1959 Queanbeyan. 


I must remember to check further before sending info to you.  Sorry, just found that James William’s mother was a Bradbury, tho she later married a White.  I’ll leave you to sort that out. 


Austin’s half-brother, Allan Oswald White born 14 Feb 1922 Bombala also served.


I’m not too good on playing with photos and hope Margaret Foy’s is okay.


Some extra photos: 

William James Ingram born 11 Mar 1917 Bombala son of William Wallace Ingram and Catherine Mary Dunn.


Joseph Moyle Silk  

SILK, Moyle - May 4, 1950 at his mother's residence, 104 Banks Ave., Pagewood, late 2nd AIF, beloved son of Caroline and the late Henry Silk, and dearly loved brother of Madge (Mrs Jones, Lismore), Veronica (Mrs Dellow, Lismore), Gwen (Mrs Payne Delegate), Monica (Mrs Roach Sydney), Dulcie (Mrs Epplestun Delegate) and Poppy (Mrs Makin Pagewood).  R.I.P.


The Relatives and Friends of the late Moyle Silk of 104 Banks Ave., Pagewood, are invited to attend his Funeral, to leave the Church of St Michael, Daceyville, This Saturday at 10.15am for the Botany Cemetery.  Requiem Mass for the repose of his Soul will be celebrated at 6.45 a.m.


I’ll start searching for WWI photos tomorrow. 


Thanks Pat,

I have it sorted now.  Incidentally, those images on the AWM site are no longer copyright.

Regards,  Ian


From: L Egen
Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 10:10 PM
Subject: Fw: The ANZAC on the wall ...]

Hi Ian,

I just had to send this email to you especially after reading the latest Newsletter.

Lesley Egen (Qld)


Subject: Fw: The ANZAC on the wall ...]


 The Anzac on the wall.

        (Click above to hear the poem)

The Anzac on the Wall
By Jim Brown

I wandered thru a country town, 'cos I had some time to spare,
And went into an Antique Shop to see what was in there.
Old Bikes and Pumps and Kero lamps, but hidden by it all,
A photo of a soldier boy …. An Anzac on the Wall.

'The Anzac have a name?' I asked. The old man answered 'No’,
The ones who could have told you mate, have passed on long ago.
The old man kept on talking and, according to his tale,
The photo was unwanted junk, bought from a clearance sale.

'I asked around,' the old man said, 'But no one knows his face,
He's been on that wall twenty years... deserves a better place.
For someone must have loved him, so it seems a shame somehow.'
I nodded in agreement and then said… 'I'll take him now.'
My nameless digger's photo, well it was a sorry sight
A cracked glass pane and a broken frame …I had to make it right
To prise the photo from its frame I took care just in case,
Cause only sticky paper held the cardboard back in place.
I peeled away the faded screed, and much to my surprise,
two letters and a telegram, appeared before my eyes
The first reveals my Anzac's name, and regiment of course
John Mathew Francis Stuart … of Australia ’s own Light Horse.
This letter written from the front... my interest now was keen;
this note was dated August 7th, 1917

'Dear Mum, I'm at Khalasa Springs, not far from the Red Sea
They say it's in the Bible … looks like a Billabong to me.
'My Kathy wrote, I'm in her prayers...she's still my bride to be,
I just can’t wait to see you both, you're all the world to me.
And Mum you'll soon meet Bluey, last month they shipped him out
I told him to call on you, when he's up and about.'
'That bluey is a larrikin, and we all thought it funny,
He lobbed a Turkish hand grenade into the Co’s dunny.
I told you how he dragged me wounded; in from no man's land
He stopped the bleeding, closed the wound, with only his bare
'Then he copped it at the front, from some stray shrapnel blast,
It was my turn to drag him in, and I thought he wouldn't last.
He woke up in hospital, and nearly lost his mind
Cause out there on the battlefield, he'd left one leg behind.'
'He's been in a bad way Mum, he knows he'll ride no more
Like me he loves a horse's back, he was a champ before.
So Please Mum can you take him in, he's been like my own brother
Raised in a Queensland orphanage he’s never known a mother.'
But Struth, I miss Australia Mum, and in my mind each day
I am a mountain cattleman, on the high plains far away.
I'm mustering white-faced cattle, with no camel's hump in sight,
and I waltz my Matilda, by a campfire every night
I wonder who rides Billy…!! I heard the pub burnt down!!
I'll always love you… and please say Hooroo, to all in town'.

The second letter I could see, was in a lady's hand,
An answer to her soldier son, there in a foreign land.
Her copperplate was perfect, the pages neat and clean
it bore the date, November 3rd 1917.

'T'was hard enough to lose your Dad, without you at the war
I'd hoped you would be home by now… each day I miss you more'

'Your Kathy calls around a lot, since you have been away,
To share with me her hopes and dreams, about your wedding day.
And Bluey has arrived… and what a godsend he has been
We talked and laughed for days, about the things you've done and seen'

'He really is a comfort, and works hard around the farm,
I read the same hope in his eyes, that you won't come to harm.
Mc Connell's kids rode Billy, but suddenly that has changed.
We had a violent lightning storm, and it was really strange.'
'Last Wednesday, just on midnight, not a single cloud in sight,
It raged for several minutes, it gave us all a fright.
It really spooked your Billy … and he screamed and bucked and reared,
And then he rushed the sliprail fence, which by a foot he

'They brought him back next afternoon, but something's changed I fear,
It's like the day you brought him home, for no one can get near.
Remember when you caught him, with his black and flowing mane?
Now Horse Breakers fear the beast, that only you can tame,'
'That's why we need you home son……Then the flow of ink went dry……
This letter was unfinished… and I couldn't work out why.

Until I started reading, the letter, number three
A yellow telegram delivered news of a tragedy.
Her son killed in action…Oh! What pain that must have been,
the same date as her letter… 3rd November 1917
This letter which was never sent, became then one of three.
She sealed behind the photo's face … the face she longed to see.

And John's home town's children, when he went to war,
Would say no greater cattleman, had left the town before.
They knew his widowed mother well, and with respect did tell,
How when she lost her only boy… she lost her mind as well.
She could not face the awful truth, to strangers she would speak
“My Johnny's at the war you know… he's coming home next week.”

They all remembered Bluey, he stayed on to the end.
A young man with wooden leg, became her closest friend.
And he would go and find her when she wandered, old and weak,
and always softly say… 'Yes dear … John will be coming home next week.'

Then when she died, Bluey moved on…to Queensland some did say.
I tried to find out where he went, but don't know to this day.
And Kathy never wed, a lonely spinster… some found odd.
She wouldn't set foot in a church … she'd turned her back on God.
John's mother left no Will, I learned, on my detective trail.
This explains my photo's journey, of that clearance sale.
So I continued digging, cause, I wanted to know more.
I found John's name with thousands, in the records of the war.

His last ride proved his courage… a ride you will acclaim
The Light Horse Charge at Beersheba of everlasting fame.
That last day in October back in 1917,
at 4pm our brave boys fell … that sad fact I did glean.
That's when John's life was sacrificed, the record's crystal
But 4pm in Beersheba is midnight over here......
So as John's gallant sprit rose, to cross the great divide,
Were lightning bolts back home, a signal from the other side?
Is that why Billy bolted, and went racing as in pain…?
Because he'd never feel his master, on his back again…!
Was it coincidental…? Same time... Same day …Same date…!!
Some proof of numerology… or just a quirk of fate…?

I think it's more than that you know, as I've heard wiser men,
Acknowledge there are many things, that go beyond our ken

Where craggy peaks guard secrets, neath dark skies torn asunder,
Where hoof beats are companions, to the rolling waves of thunder

Where lightning cracks like 303's, and ricochets again,
Where howling moaning gusts of wind, sound just like dying men
Some Mountain cattlemen have sworn, on lonely alpine track,
They've glimpsed a huge black stallion …with  Light Horseman on his back.

Yes Sceptics say, it's swirling clouds, just forming apparitions.
Oh No, My friend you can't dismiss all this as, superstition.

The desert of Beersheba … or a windswept Aussie range,
John Stuart rides on forever there… I don't find that at all strange.

Now some gaze upon this photo, and they often question me,
and I tell them a small white lie, and say he's family.

'You must be proud of him.' they say … I tell them, one and all,
That's why he takes … the pride of place …
The Anzac on the Wall.
Lest We Forget


Thank you Lesley, David will include the Poem in the next newsletter.

Regards,  Ian



From: Paul Fergus
Sent: Monday, 10 March 2014 6:15 AM
Subject: John William Henry Eccleston and Catherine Mary Eccleston: Dates of Death


I have obtained copies of the death certificates for this couple who died in Crookwell.

Catherine Mary Eccleston died in Crookwell Hospital on 18 August 1915 of Broncho-pneumonia.  The informant was her husband John William Henry Eccleston.  He stated that they had 11 children with none deceased although their son, Albert Ambrose, died of a gunshot wound to the head in the Second Australian Casualty Clearing Station at Steenwerck in France Nord 18 months later on 30 December 1916.  John also stated that Catherine’s mother’s name was Bridget O’Doherty, which differs from the usual spelling of “Doherty” (Certificate No. 1915/010992).

John William Henry Eccleston died in Crookwell Hospital on 17 May 1918 of Endocarditis.  The informant was his daughter, Elizabeth.  She noted the death of her brother, Albert Ambrose.  She specified all other children but the ages she stated for some of them differed from those given by her father about 3 years earlier.  She also stated that her father had been born in Bathurst when there seems to be general agreement that he was born at Parramatta (Certificate No. 1918/005800).

Regards.  Paul Fergus
Thank you Paul,

Regards,  Ian



From: Pat McGufficke

Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 9:50 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, Lionel Roy (I8215)


Proposed Change: Ingram, Lionel Roy (I8215)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I8215&tree=MP


Description: Northern Territory News 21 August 1928.  Roy Ingram was bitten by a snake on a finger whilst rabbiting at Bombala, NSW on Saturday.  He immediately blew the top of the finger off with a shot from a gun then walked to a hospital.


Love this!


Pat McGufficke


Regards,   Ian



From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 5:47 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, Edwin Gregory (I87839)


Proposed Change: Ingram, Edwin Gregory (I87839)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87839&tree=MP


Description: Edwin Gregory Ingram was a member of the Second Snowy River March which commenced at Delegate on  6th July 1940.


Patricia McGufficke


Regards,   Ian



From: Patricia McGufficke  

Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 5:46 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, Edwin Gregory (I87839)


Proposed Change: Ingram, Edwin Gregory (I87839)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87839&tree=MP


Description: Edwin died in Bombala and is buried Bombala Cemetery.


Patricia McGufficke


Regards,   Ian



From: Patricia McGufficke  

Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 5:41 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Ingram, Maxwell (I87887)


Proposed Change: Ingram, Maxwell (I87887)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87887&tree=MP


Description: Max Ingram died 14 May 1970 in Canberra, ACT


Patricia McGufficke


Regards,   Ian



From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 5:31 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: COOTES, Charles I10729 & Shuttle, Mary Ann (I84072)



Proposed Change: Cootes, Charles (I10729)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I10729&tree=MP


Description:    Family 1: Married: 9 February 1848, RC parish of Borrisokane, Co. Tipperary, Ireland


Attached            Marriage transcript for Mary Ann and Charles (1848).

Attached            Discharge papers for Charles Cootes.

Attached            Uniforms of the 57th and 77th Infantry Regiments during the Crimean War.



The Bombala Herald No 43 August, 20, 1881

"DEATH. - It is with regret that we have to record the death of Mr. Charles Cootes, of Dundundara. The deceased had been suffering for some time past from lung disease, and on Friday all hopes of recovery were plainly seen; on Tuesday evening he breathed his last. Mr. Cootes arrived in Sydney in 1857 with his regiment, the 77th, after going through the Crimea campaign. The regiment only remained a short time in Sydney. In consequence of the Mutiny in India breaking out, they were ordered to China, en route for India, and reached there just before the finish of the Mutiny. After remaining in India a short time, Cootes decided to settle in New South Wales, and returned to the colony, we believe, in 1859, and came on to Monaro, and was for some time with Mr. Cooke at Glenroy (now P.M. at Balranald). He after served with the late Mr. H. Nicholson, of Dundundara, and was for 15 years was with Mr. H. M. Joseph, of Maharatta. He was in the army for 18 years, and received the Indian and Crimean medals for services performed. His funeral took place on Thursday afternoon, and he was followed to his last home by a numerous cortege, testifying the respect in which he was held. He leaves behind him a widow and numerous family to mourn their loss."


Proposed Change: Shuttle, Mary Ann (I84072)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I84072&tree=MP                        


Description:    Name: change surname from Shuttle to Shortale.


Attached            DC for Mary Ann (1855).

Attached            4 Royal Oak Terrace, Johnstown, Camarthen, Wales. Charles and Mary Ann lived at number 3 from approx Oct 1850 to  March 1851.


Regards, Gregory


Regards,   Ian



From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 5:27 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Hall, Marie Lydia (I169370)


Proposed Change: Hall, Marie Lydia (I169370)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I169370&tree=MP


Description: Marie Lydia Elton died 14 Oct 1969 (Ryerson Index) ELTON Marie Lydia Death notice 14OCT1969 Death 56  late of Yagoona Sydney Morning Herald

15OCT1969 She and Leonard had sons:  Nicholas William Elton and Brian Edwin Elton bc 1937, died 23 Aug 2007 in Sydney (Ryerson) ELTON Brian Edwin  died

23 Aug 2007 aged 70  SMH  25 Aug 2007


Patricia McGufficke


Regards,   Ian



From: Chris McGregor
Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 4:49 PM
Subject: Ruth A Laing

I was just on your RootsWeb's World Connect page looking up the surname LAING.
I see that you have the above child born 1899 and dying 1901. I had a look of TROVE and found this if it is of any interest to you
CORONER'S INQUIRY - An inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the death of Ruth ann Laing, 2 years of age who died suddenly at Bondi on Sunday last, was held by mr Coroner Murphy on Monday. Sergeant Sim, having been sworn, said that from information received, he reported the death to the coroner, and proceeded to the residence of Mr Allan Laing, of Bondi, arriving at 8pm on Sunday night. He could see no marks of violence on the body; the neck, legs and hands were very discolored, and tehe fingers of both hands contracted; the only mark he found was an abrasion on the right foot near the little toe. The mother of the child gave evidence that her daughter was two years old, and had always been healthy. On Saturday morning at about 9 o'clock deceased ran from the kitchen in the other house to bring her dress, and on hearing her cry out the mother ran in and found the child standing near a box. She noticed a small speck of blood on the foot, which the child said was done by the box. She carried the child to the kitchen, and it complained of being ill "in the face". Shortly after this it began vomiting, and continued vomiting up the food every hour of the day. Mr Laing went for Mrs Rixon at 8pm, and during his absence the child died quietly at 10 o'clock. the deceased had not been eating any green fruit, and had not been running about outside that morning. She knew snakes and would have told her mother had one bitten her,. The father gave evidence similar to the mother. De Eddie gave evidence that he found the body well nourished, presenting no marks of violence. Al the organs were healthy; the large veins were gorged with blood; the right side of the heart was empty; and the left side all but empty. From post mortem examination, and from conversation with the father and mother, he was of the opinion that death was caused by excessive heat. The heat they had experienced about that time was sufficient to have caused the child's sickness. A verdict of accidental death in accordance with the medical evidence was returned
Bombala Times and Manaro and Coast Districts General Advertiser (NSW) Friday 8 March 1901 page 2
You have a wonderful site and I thank you for all your hard work
Cheers Chris

Thank you Chris,

Regards,  Ian



From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 4:39 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Elton, Earl Henry (I241206)


Proposed Change: Elton, Earl Henry (I241206)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I241206&tree=MP


Description: Died 7 May 1984,buried Bombala Cemetery. He married 1935 Bombala, Rita May WHITE born 7 Dec 1915, died 4 Jan 1992 Bombala.

Children:  Beverley Elton died 1941 Bombala Rex William Elton born 1935 Bombala, died 1994 Bombala Colin Elton born Bombala


Patricia McGufficke


Regards,   Ian



From: Kellie

Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 1:48 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Moran, Ann (I88143)


Proposed Change: Moran, Ann (I88143)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I88143&tree=MP


Description: Hiya,

I've been looking into all this to try and sort out the issues in the newsletter but so much about John and Ann is incorrect.

From Convict Musters Ann only had a 7 year sentence and was free by servitude by 1825. SHE arrived on Hercules not John.

Convict Indents state she was convicted for Life.

1806 she is at Parramatta employed by CURTIS and states she has a Pardon...pardons were only given to convicts with Life sentences...so she must have been a Lifer.


No records I have viewed yet state if she was married/single when she was convicted. This might explain the MORAN at marriage and FEAGAN at her sons death.

She may have been born FEAGAN, married in Ireland to a MORAN then convicted.

She was about 30yo at conviction which is pretty old to be unmarried for that period of time.



Thanks Kellie,

Let me know when you settle on the true facts.

Regards,  Ian


From: Robyn Young
Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 11:52 AM
Subject: WW2 PHOTOS

Hello again Ian

This is my father & his brother in WW2 

Regards,  Robyn Young

Wow again, what a bonus, thank you.

Regards,  Ian


From: Robyn Young
Sent: Sunday, 9 March 2014 11:23 AM
Subject: WW1 PHOTOS

Hello Ian

Please find attach 5 photos of my WW1 ancestors. They are already on the WW1 list

Regards, Robyn Young

Wow, thank you Robyn, those photos are excellent.  One of the options on the Database webpage is "Albums" and if you select "World War 1 Participants" you can see all the photos we have so far including your own.

Regards,  Ian


From: Angela Reed
Sent: 2014-03-09 7:18 AM


David, I was touched by the following letter submitted by Gary J Carter.  I am in the process of researching my ancestors trip from Scotland to New Zealand and have a grasp of the conditions they left behind and their journey (even though there are no diaries from the journey in 1842 on the Duchess of Argle to New Zealand.  The Duchess of Argyle was one of the first Immigrant Ships to New Zealand - there were 3 of them at that time).  I am also learning of the life they came to in New Zealand - not much civilization or town to speak of.  They were truly very courageous. 


Thank you to David for sharing that letter.




A Monaro Pioneer letter home in 1849 from Anne Stop (nee) East to her family in Islip England.

Printed in Jacksons Oxford Journal on Sat 29 Dec 1849.


The following letter, addressed to Anne’s father Joseph East, Islip, Oxfordshire details of their first year in the colony and their journey from Sydney to Cooma :-

“My dear Father and Sister, and Brother, I write these few lines to you hoping to find you all well, as it leaves us at present, thank God for it. We got in harbour the 11th of June, when we lay there a week; but Sydney was so full of people that Government sends them up the country and we chose to go to Goulburn which was 120 miles, so the steamer came alongside our ship and took us to Parramatta. We stayed there a week and then started to Goulburn where George and the two boys were hired for three rations and 40/. Year, to go up to Cooling Down Monaro at Mr Ryerie’s 140 miles further up the country. We went by the drays and horses and we had to camp under the dray every night; it was very cold lodging my dear father. We saw many high mountains and we almost had to climb up them; but I would rather travel by sea than by land, although we were sea sick and the salt meat made me so ill that I could not stand up. We

suffered much with heat and cold; my little Emma caught the hooping cough, but she is now getting fat. Fanny wants to see her grandfather. We all had some grog when we passed the line, (Equator) but I am sorry to say Job Castle died; we were very sorry, for he only lived eleven weeks. There were 17 died, two men and two women all the other children.

My dear brother, send me word if my sister is to come or not; if she is, send me a word as soon as you know where she is. Give my love to Mary Young and all my brothers and sisters and Mr Field, Eliza Watson at Nake, Fanny Tipping and Jim and Tom.

My dear father, we saw the Black men and women naked. This is a good country for living. We have plenty of tea and sugar, meat and flour and our fire wood free. Our boys wish their uncle Joe was with us. Our station is two miles from the farm; another man and his wife lives at the farm that came in our ship. Our ship’s name is James Gibbs. Whit Sunday was a very big sea, for the jib-boom broke at the forecastle of the ship and we were rocked to and fro; I was much afraid but we got safe over to shore dear father. We had four large blankets out of the ship, two beds and two rugs to keep us warm and all our tin plates and mugs knives and forks.

Oh! My dear father, all the 240 miles we travelled was all a bush and the trees standing so thick, but they burn them down and not cut them. We passed cherry and tea trees, orange and lemon and many fine trees but the trees do not drop their leaves but shed their bark in winter, and with that bark they tile their houses.

Now my dear father this is a cold place where we live, but George says he will get to another station as soon as he can. Our master has many stations about the country. Dear father, the summer is over as soon as March is out; there is but four months of summer. The sun rises where yours sets and goes around to the left, so our night is when your day is. Dear father there is two mountains near us that are

called the Two Brothers; just in the form of a hay rick. We have the view of the Snowy Mountains, where is lays all the year. But I must leave off now. Give our love to James Randall and Dick Randall and all friends. Tell old Betty Simmonds I can put a cup full of tea in now at once. I wish Emma Simmonds had come with us she would get 1/. a year. Our young women most of them hired to go to Sydney, nine of the young men came up to Goulburn with us to the depot; they shot many fine birds some parrots and some cockatoos and flying squirrels. We saw the kangaroos and many things.

My dear brother, when you know where Fanny and Phillip Bowerman is, send me word what place it is that I may find her out, for I am anxious to know if she is come or not. Tell William Payne, George will send him a letter when he knows more about the country. Blacksmiths and shoemakers get plenty of work here.

My dear father, George wished you was with us; you could get 15/.and your rations only to round a flock of sheep 11 days on the plain. My dear father, we have to pay for all the sheep that is lost, unless we can find the skins of them. We can kill one when we like for our dogs, for we have got five of them. We have got a mill to grind our corn in, sometimes we have corn instead of flour.

We have 30lbs of flour, 30 lbs of meat, 6 lbs of sugar and 3 lbs of tea. Give my love to Mr John Alley, Mr Barry and Mrs Young, the dress maker.

There were seven ships in harbour when we were there, one landed with transports. (Convicts)

Dear Father we can get a fat bull for 1/. And we are 20 miles from an ale house. Joe should be here, he would get rich for all the old transports are farmers now.

My dear father, I must leave off now so no more at present.

Your loving daughter, Anne Stop.

George sends his best respects to Thomas Mitchell. I don’t know how to write, this is the first letter I ever wrote in my life so farewell.



From: Lea Schuit

Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2014 8:42 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: McGrath, John (I142461)


Proposed Change: McGrath, John (I142461)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I142461&tree=MP


Description: Hello there,

I have a marriage certificate for John McGrath and Sarah Leplaw which says they were married 21 December 1874 under the heading of Date and Place of Marriage. Registration number 1874/001888. I am more than happy to scan this in for you.

Also for the bit that was changed 4 February 2014, that John was Aboriginal.

I have been unable to prove this beyond a shadow of doubt. Whom ever changed this, might like to contact me at this email address as I am assuming that they are related in some way. I am more than happy to share what details I have with this person.

Kind regards,

Lea Schuit

John and Sarah are the parents of my great grandmother Mahalia (Amelia) Cameron nee McGrath.

Lea Schuit

Thanks Lea,

A copy of the marriage certificate would be most helpful.

Regards,  Ian



From: wa.carter
Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2014 8:13 PM
Subject: WW 1 porject


Photo. William Dunn in Greatcoat, William Hall in slouch hat.


Hi Ian, Hope you will use this in your WW1 project::

William Dunn , my cousin From Jeir, enlisted in Murrumbateman in the Yass district.

Private 35th Battalion

Killed in Action Belgium 29/07/1917 Age 19 ,buried Bethleem Farm West Cemetery , West –Vlaandern, Flanders ,Belgium.

Parents ,,William & Leila Dunn (Hall) Murrumbateman.

Regards,  Wal Carter

Thank you Wal,

Those photos were excellent and now display proudly in the MP database reports.

Regards,  Ian



From: John Blatherwick
Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2014 6:29 PM
Subject: George Wells Watling

Dear Ian,

I believe there is an error in the information you have re : GEORGE WELLS WATLING


Parents:     JOHN WATLING

                           Born:  3 April 1768 in Marlingford, Norfolk, England

                           Died:  1838 in Hethersett, Norfolk, England

                          Married: 23 Nov 1793 in Marlingford, Norfolk, England


                   Ann Wells

                         Born: 4 Nov 1768 in Blickling, Norfolk, England

                         Died:  Unknown


                GEORGE WELLS WATLING

                         Born:  1814 in Marlingford, Norfolk, England


                          Siblings:  Edmund             Born 1797                  Died    October 1852 in  Bethel Green, London, England

                                            Thomas Wells  Born 1799                          

                                            John Wells         Born 1801                  Died   Dec 1872  in  Marlingford , Norfolk, England

                                           Ann Wells           Born 3/9/1805

                                           Thomas                Born  1808                  Died   1835  in Marlingford, Norfolk, England

                                           Charles                 Born  1811                  Died   July 1850   Marlingford , Norfolk, England

                                           Elizabeth              Born  1813

                      Note: all children born in Marlingford


                     George Wells Watling was convicted of robbery in the Norfolk Assizes in 1835 and sentenced to 14 years.  On 11 February 1836 he  sailed on the convict ship  “Strathfieldsaye” arriving in NSW 11 October 1836   (ref ConvictRecords.com.au and NSW convict records)

In August 1849 he was granted a Certificate of Freedom  and  later a Ticket of Leave (ref NSW State Records Office)


In 1879  my Great Uncle John (Jake) Watling Everett  arrived in Australia, age 15 and unaccompanied. I have found his shipping record but nothing until NSW voting records from 1930 until he died in the 1950s.  I know that he lived with his wife Kathleen  in Maroota, near Wisemans Ferry in 1913 because my mother and her family stayed with Uncle Jack , my Grandmother’s older brother, when they arrived in Australia.


Mum had never mentioned Uncle Jack, but he was still alive when I was  around 12 or 13 when he died. Of course now that I’m the head of the family I’ve got no one to ask question of. So I’m wondering if Uncle Jack (John Watling Everett) as a 15yr old  went  to stay  with his Great Uncle George Wells Watling.


If you or any of the current Watling can shed some light on this hole in my family history it would be appreciated.

Thank you,  John Blatherwick

Hi John,

Thank you, all the information we have is displayed on our website.

Regards,  Ian


From: Robyn Jones
Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2014 5:57 PM
Subject: WW 1 ANZAC Photos

Hi Ian

A couple more photos.


1. James (Jim) Watson Jones

2. William (Bill) Henry Foster with his daughter Enid

3. William Henry (Bill) Foster with his wife Elizabeth (Maude) Jones

(all deceased)

Jim & Bill were brothers-in-law.

They are in my Edward Jones family tree.


A photo exists of John Squire Armstrong although I haven’t seen it.

It was printed in a newspaper called I think “The Land” NSW’s equivalent to Vic’s Weekly Times in about 1915 or 16. It doesn’t appear to be on trove yet.

I think it was taken just before he embarked and may have had a story with it. Or I could be right off the beaten track, but I do know the photo exists.

Robyn Jones

Thank you Robyn,

Regards,  Ian



From: Robyn Jones
Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2014 3:26 PM
Subject: WW 1 Photo

Hi Ian

A photo of the Ryan brothers to add to your list of ANZACs.

Pte RJB Ryan 4473

Cpl FJC Ryan 4472

I found this photo among some family photos. They aren’t related to my tree which is William Ferguson Thomson (Queanbeyan), Edward Jones (Delegate) & James Watson Keith (Eden), but I think they are cousins of cousins as a Ryan married into my Thomson family.

I hope the photo scanned ok as it is a fairly dark print.

Robyn Jones


Thank you Robyn,

Regards,  Ian


From: Phillip K Johnson
Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2014 3:21 PM
Subject: Roberson Reunion


Ian I found this email address for a Robinson reunion.  robinsonfamilyreunion14@gmail.  The email address will not work for me, can you please help.

The spelling is wrong for my family, but there can always be a confusion in the spelling of Roberson I guess?

I look forward to your response.


Phillip Johnson

Hi David,

Are you able to help?

Regards,  Ian


All sorted, email address was missing .com.

Cheers.  David



From: Phyllis Dowling
Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2014 10:03 AM
Subject: Re Downing photos


Ian, in the February newsletter there was a request for photos of Downing graves in the Tumut Pioneer cemetery. There are no photos of Downing headstones in the pioneer cemetery but there are several headstones which could be photographed. Feel free to publish my Email address    pdowling7@bigpond.com    Regards Phyllis Dowling


From: Phyllis Dowling
Sent: Saturday, 8 March 2014 9:58 AM
Subject: monaro pioneers


Ian,  In the February newsletter J Quill was seeking information on  birth, death and marriage certificates. Church records always give more information on marriage certificates than the one from the Register. Catholic  registers are mostly still held at the relevant church.  Church of England registers are held at the National Library but many are available at various Family History groups on microfilm. Pre 1856 registers are also available on microfilm, again at the National Library or at various Family History groups. I suggest they first try their nearest family history group. Regards Phyllis Dowling

Thank you Phyllis,

Regards,  Ian



From: Dora Johnson-Smith
Sent: Friday, 7 March 2014 10:34 PM
Subject: Photo for 100th Anniversary of WWI Database

Hi Ian


I have seen on the 2014 Newsletter Number 2, the announcement for 100th Anniversary of the 1st World War of photos of the diggers from the Eden Monaro region. I would like to contribute a photo my grandfather in his WWI uniform - Ernest Athol Smith Private 3221 55th Battalion 1st AIF to the database. Please see attachment.


Could you please update in the Family Group Sheet (F86510), the 3rd child (female) of Ernest Athol Smith and Dorothy Helen Weatherall, their daughter, Edna Mary Harris nee Smith born 16 September 1924 in Queanbeyan, NSW and died 07 January 2014 in Queanbeyan NSW.


Kind Regards,   Dora Johnson-Smith

Thank you Dora,

Regards,  Ian



From: C & J Quill
Sent: Friday, 7 March 2014 9:28 PM
Subject: Re John Frederick Powell -Mary Cleaver- Mary Eleator

Hello Ian, 

I not sure whether I should be asking  questions to you or to someone else on the site. If not, my apologies and  would you please pass this on to the relevant person?

When I  searched John Frederick Powell on The NSW Wales BDM I noticed he married Mary Eleator in 1884 in Eden- Reg 4666 and Mary Cleaver Reg 4660 in 1884 in Bega.

Are the two Marys the same person? Also, I have searched for the child of the above Hilda Mary b 1888 but cannot find any entries for her on  the NSW BDM.

Regards, Jewel

Hi Jewel,

Yes the two Marys are the same person.  The entry for Mary Eleator could be a transcription error and/or a marriage in a different denomination church.  Her maiden name was Cleaver.  Unfortunately not all births are recorded in the BDM index.  Either the birth of Hilda was never registered or never transcribed.  

Regards,  Ian

Many thanks Ian,

I appreciate your patience.

I’m beginning to liken this journey to learning the in and outs of  a cryptic crossword.

Regards Jewel



From: Gail Cowie  

Sent: Friday, 7 March 2014 1:36 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Downing, Robert (I34342)


Proposed Change: Downing, Robert (I34342)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I34342&tree=MP


Description: Robert came on the "Andromeda" 1830 arriving in Sydney 18th

Dec1830 not 1831 as shown.


Gail Cowie

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Gail Cowie

Sent: Friday, 7 March 2014 1:55 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Downey, Bartholomew (I232041)


Proposed Change: Downey, Bartholomew (I232041)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I232041&tree=MP


Description: Bartholomew was born abt 1819. He died 26th Nov 1885 living at Wilsons Creek, Middle Adelong NSW. Probate was granted on 26th Nov 1885 and paid 7th Dec 1885. He was aged 66years when he died.


Gail Cowie

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Gail cowie

Sent: Friday, 7 March 2014 1:49 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Downing, Robert Reginald (I212828)


Proposed Change: Downing, Robert Reginald (I212828)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I212828&tree=MP


Description: Robert "Reg" became a QC, a NSW Labor MP,was the State's longest serving Attorney - General and Minister for Justice and Leader of the NSW Government from 1940. He served for 32years as a Member of the Legislative Council becoming Leader of the Government and Vice president of the Executive Council for 24 of those years. Minister of Justice for 19years, Attorney - General for 9 years and Leader of the Oppositon for 7 years. For all of his achievements the Downing District Court Centre in Sydney was named after him. A great achievement for such humble beginnings.


Gail cowie

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Gail Cowie

Sent: Friday, 7 March 2014 12:58 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Downing, John (I295203)


Proposed Change: Downing, John (I295203)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I295203&tree=MP


Description: John Downing/ey was 65years old when he died at "Rosebank"

Tumut (at the property of his brother Robert Downing. He was buried the next day at the Tumut Pioneer Cemetery Tumut in the Downing plot. Vide death

cert. NSWBDM10001/1875.   


Gail Cowie

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



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