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Monaro Pioneers Newsletter

2015 Number 10

ANNOUNCEMENTS:

CONVICT RECORDS

Hi Folks,

During September and October I have added some images of the convict records for the "guests of the crown" in the MP database. Typically you can now see the images of your forebear's Convict Indent, Ticket(s) of Leave, Certificate of Freedom or Conditional Pardon and in many cases their Permission to Marry.

These images reveal some remarkable detail, including the offence(s) they committed, when and where tried and the length of their sentence. A detail description including marital status and all identifying marks and tattoos can also be seen.

If you have not seen these records before, I recommend you take the time to have a look now.

Each image is attached to the individual's record in the MP database and viewed by searching for that specific individual or by viewing all the Convict record images ….

I hope you find these new images of some help.

Regards, Ian

FRENCH FAMILY GATHERING

This coming November marks the 175th anniversary of the arrival of Daniel French and Isabella Whitton and their two children, William and Daniel, at Brungle Station.

“Many family members know that the family came from Lanark Scotland,” said archivist and historian Robert French, ‘but few know of family origins that go back to Yorkshire in England and, before that, to Normandy.”

To mark the anniversary a family gathering has been organised at:

All Saints Anglican Church Hall, Tumut on Saturday 28 November.

Mr French will give a talk on “The Norman, English & Scottish Origins of the French Family of Brungle” at 11 am, to be repeated at 2pm.

For catering and other purposes, booking is advisable.

“Family members, and others who wish to attend, should indicate which lecture time would suit them” French said. “Tea and coffee and sandwiches will be available for purchase before and after each session, a time for family members to mingle.”

Those wishing to attend should rsvp to:

rbfr@bigpond.net.au

write to: 4 Ducros Street, Petersham NSW 2049

telephone: (02) 9568 1995 or 0427 105 675

Robert French

Mr French, a history graduate and a foundation member of the Australian Society of Archivists, was, before retirement, the Director of the Sydney office of the National Archives of Australia. He is also a former Deputy Archivist at the World Bank in Washington DC. In retirement he has spent time researching and writing history, including his own family history, and as an active member of several local history societies in Sydney.

MONARO PIONEERS now on Facebook

The Monaro Pioneers website now has its own Facebook page which is accessible at the following URL:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/893648944008345/

BOOK - A FAMILY BEGAN WITH LOVE - JOHN AND MARTHA LOVE

From: margaret cooper [mailto:landmdcooper@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: 2015-05-21 1:16 PM
To: nl@monaropioneers.com
Subject: LOVE FAMILY BOOK

Hi David

I still have a few copies left of the family history I wrote in 2011 - “A Family Began with Love” – John and Martha Love – 220 Years of their descendants and associated families. Plus updates as an Addendum to the book.

If anyone is interested, please contact me landmdcooper@optusnet.com.au

With thanks

Margaret Cooper

REQUESTS:

GORDON ENQUIRY – HELP REQUIRED

Hi Folks,

I need your help? I received the following inquiry …

Hi Ian,   I have been filling in the gaps on my family tree regarding Simon Gordon - thanks for the extra information. I do have a problem with William George Booth who married Alice Maud Gordon.

I have William born in 1870 with parents as Charles Bleakly Booth and Caroline Brown.   My first source for the parents was NSW Pioneer Births.   In Ancestry.com they have Charles Bleakly Booth and Caroline (name spelt wrong on Ancestry) Reg # 9957 same as NSW Pioneer births.

William had a sister called Lydia b. 1872 Reg # 3206.   Charles H Booth b. 1866, Caroline Booth b. 1868, Alfred George, b 1874,
Emily Booth 1877 Walter Alexander Booth 1879.

Listed on the descendants report is the parents of William George Booth as Maryann Prentice d. 1914 John Booth b. 1821 d. 6/3/1891
They had a son called William George Booth but he was born 1 May 1874.   Source Monaro Eden Pioneers ID 53348.

Would you be able to verify for me, if possible, who are the correct parents thanks.

Regards

Janette Cleaver

I was able to establish that the William George Booth born 1870 Goulburn to parents Charles Bleakley Booth and Caroline Brown was not the person who married Alice Maud Gordon 18/11/1896 in Pambula. The MP database currently shows Alice's husband was, as Janette says, William George Booth (MP179732) born 1/5/1874 Enniskillen, Fermanagh, Ireland and dies 27/10/1923 Haberfield, parents John Booth and Mary Ann Prentice.

However, we do have another William George Booth (MP228611) in the database who I suspect is the real husband of Alice Maud Gordon, born 1871 Kiama and died 1/11/1915 Jellat Jellat. Parents William Booth (1824-1916) and Eliza Jane Booth (-1891). The database currently has him unmarried but I have found the following death notice in Trove …

The Bega Budget Wednesday 3 November 1915

Mr. William George Booth died suddenly at his father's residence. Jellat Jellat, on Monday morning. Shortly after rising he complained of feeling ill, and almost at once passed away. Deceased was 42 years of age, and a wife and family survive. The remains were interred in the Church of England cemetery yesterday, Archdeacon Mell performing the last sad rites.

So this "other" William George (MP228611) had a family and we have no information thereof. Plus all of the children of Alice Maud Gordon have a birth registration district of Eden. Thus I suspect this "other" William George (MP228611) is the correct husband for Alice Maud but I have no proof, a copy of the marriage certificate would resolve the issue if anyone has one. Ancestry.com has a number of trees that show William George (MP179732) as the husband but we all know how easily an error can be propagated on that site.

Can anyone help resolve this question? If Alice Maud Gordon did marry William George Booth (MP179732) then who are the family of William George Booth (MP228611)?

Hoping someone can help,

Regards,

Ian Harvey

CURRENT CORRESPONDENCE:

MAUNDER/AYSTEP

From: Teena
Sent: 7 November, 2015 1:02 PM
Subject: person id I208185

Hi Ian,

I have a copy of the register “marriages solemnized at St John’s Church (Old Cathedral) Calcutta.

It lists the following

WHEN MARRIED	SURNAME	CHRISTAIN NAME	AGE	CONDITION	RANK OR PROFESSION	RESIDENCE	FATHER'S NAME	BY BANNS OR LICENSE
1860 May 24th	Maunder	William	of age	Bachelor	master mariner	Calcutta	John Maunder	license
	Aystep	Dorothea Adeline	17	Spinster		Calcutta	Thomas Henry Aystep

I also have baptism registered at “The Old Church, Fort William in Bengal 1842.”

It lists the following –

WHEN BAPTISED	SAID TO BE BORN	CHRISTIAN NAME	PARENTS NAMES	ABODE	QUALITY TRADE OR PROFESSION
DECEMBER 11 1842	15 October 1842	Dorothy Adelina	Thomas Henry & Carloine Aystep	Calcutta	Writer

Hope the above makes sense. I will keep filtering more info to you as I can.

Have a lovely weekend

Teena

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

From: Ros Weston
Sent: 6 November, 2015 5:01 PM
Subject: Cooma postcards

Hi Ian,

I am attaching a postcard of Cooma in the early days (–found in my treasure chest from my family home of Lynwood Moonbah) don’t know if you want it – just delete if not. Have a couple more but won’t send them unless you say so.

Regards, Ros Weston (nee Thompson) James Thompson GG granddaughter

Thanks Ros,

Yes I am happy to receive the additional postcards for display on the MP website. You can see your photo here ..

http://www.monaropioneers.com/Cooma/coomaphotos.htm

Regards, Ian

THOMPSON

On 06/11/2015 15:55, Ros Weston wrote:

Proposed Change: Thompson, Z.E. (I200892)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:

http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I200892&tree=MP

Description: Zita E Mann Born Cooma 10th December 1932, Died 6th May 2013 Sydney - Woronora Crematorium Sutherland - No Children

Ros Weston

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

McPAUL

From: Susan Wilson
Sent: 2015-11-06 12:29 PM
Subject: McPaul family history - write up by Nancy Roberts, early 1980s

Hi David and Ian,

Greetings from New Zealand.

Thank you both, plus all your helpers, for all the work you do on the Monaro Pioneers website and database. A fantastic source of information for the family I'm interested in as well as "collateral" families that they associated with in some way, eg emigrating at the same time, emigration sponsoring, living/working in the same district, etc.

I have a request of you and/or recipients of your newsletter, please.

I am interested in the McPAUL family, as my grandmother was Catherine McPAUL. I understand that a write up of (some?) McPAUL family history was created by Nancy Roberts in the early 1980s and made available at a McPAUL reunion.

I would like to obtain a copy of that document if possible, please. An original that is no longer needed would be the ultimate, but a copy (photocopy or scan) is equally desirable. My email address is: susan@kennis.co.nz. Thank you.

Cheers, Susan Wilson

BINSTADT/SCHUBACH

From: Teena
Sent: 4 November, 2015 7:37 AM
Subject: Geroge Binstadt & Agnes Binstadt nee Schubach

Hi there,

For these 2 (my gg grandparents) I only have the following additional detail-

· George was born 13/09/1821 Nassau Germany

· Agnes was born 21/01/1839 Lebach Germany

· Their marriage date is 01/11/1858

The only other thing I have to hand is the attached photo of George & Agnes.

Bye for now, Teena

Thank you Teena,

Regards, Ian

SCHUBACK

On 02/11/2015 19:13, Teena wrote:

Proposed Change: Schuback, Heinrich (I15938)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I15938&tree=MP

Description: Gen 2 Agnes Emily M George Bindstadt but there is a child missing from the list. No. v should be Emily born 10/9/1867. This Emily Binstadt married Harry Nugent Maunder 1887 Bibbenluke.

Children are -Willoughby Burnell 1888, Cecil George 1889, Agnes (Alma) 1892, Mabel (May) 1894, Myra Emily 1896, Joy 1899, Dorothy Annie 1901, Ethel 1903, Vida 1906, Harry 1909. Emily Maunder nee Binstadt died

29.11.1953 Merimbula. Harry Nugent Maunder died 28/2/1913 Pambula.

I can also provide the spouses for these children. Cecil George is my grandfather. I have many photos even 1 of the George & Agnes Binstadt.

Let me know if this is of any assistance or if you need further detail.

Thank you, Teena

Hi Teena,

Thank you for the information, we did have the Maunder family in our database but did not have Emily linked to her parents, now rectified thanks to your input. We would be most grateful for any additional information you can provide and copies of your photos would also be much appreciated.

Regards, Ian

ROBERTSON

On 02/11/2015 01:57, Kevin Wallace wrote:

Proposed Change: Robertson, Lillian Mary (I122227)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I122227&tree=MP

Description: The Canberra Times (ACT: 1926 ? 1995) Tuesday January 21, 1975. Page 13.

DEATHS.

BENNETT, Lillian. ? Passed away 14/1/1975. Late 25 Foveaux St Ainslie.

Loving daughter of the late Richard and Mary Robertson, of Oaks Estate.

Loving sister, and sister-in-law of Vera and Cecil Weatherby, Queanbeyan, Thelma Flanagan, Qbn; Tom and Dawn Robertson, Qbn; Alma (dec), Les, Qbn; Herb (dec), Una and Steve Axelby, Ainslie.

With fond memories.

Kevin Wallace

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

ROBERTSON

On 01/11/2015 22:10, Kevin Wallace wrote:

Proposed Change: Robertson, Alice M. (I376982)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I376982&tree=MP

Description: The Canberra Times (ACT: 1926 ? 1995) Tuesday November 1, 1994. Page 19

DEATHS

WEATHERBY, Alice May (Vera) - Peacefully at Queanbeyan Private Nursing Home. October 30 1994. Loved wife of Cecil (dec). Dearly loved mother and mother-in-law of Norman and Betty (both dec). Rita (dec) and Bob Clarke, Fred, Cyril (doc), John and Kath, Jim and Isabel, Margaret and Bill Falvey, Peter and Elizabeth, Joan and Keith Collins. Cherished grandmother of all their children.

FUNERALS

WEATHERBY. ? The family and friends of the late Alice May (Vera Weatherby are invited to attend her funeral, to leave from the Presbyterian Church of St Stephen, Morrisott St. Queanbeyan, after a service commencing at 12 noon on WEDNESDAY (November 2, 1994) for interment in the Queanbeyan Lawn Cemetery.

Kevin Wallace

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

BOOTH

From: Janette Cleaver
Sent: 29 October, 2015 5:05 PM
Subject: William George Booth

Hi Ian, The Gordon family bible was handed down over the female side of the family and it has written down that Alice Maude Gordon married on 18 November, 1896 to Mr. William Booth at Pambula. Their children were Daphne Edna Rita Gordon b. 17 July, 1908. Matilda Doreen Heather Booth 14 July, 1899, John Kessell C Booth b. 5 July, 1901 James Norman WW Booth b.2 October, 1897

I have attached a photo of William and Alice. I cannot find the William George Booth, son of William and Eliza Jane Booth that you mention in your email. I thank you for the death certificate of Charles Bleakley Booth and other information.

My husband Garry is the grandson of Matilda Doreen Heather Booth who married William Charles Cleaver.

Regards, Janette Cleaver

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

ZOUCH

From: Kevin Wallace

Sent: 27 October, 2015 2:54 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Zouch, Mary Theresa (I90987)

Proposed Change: Zouch, Mary Theresa (I90987)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I90987&tree=MP

Description: The Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW: 1881–1940). Wednesday, July 19, 1933. Page 2

OBITUARY

MRS. WILLIAM WALLACE

The death occurred in North Sydney, on Sunday night, of Mrs. William Wallace, at the age of 93. Mrs. Wallace. who lived with her daughter, Miss Annie Wallace, passed away in her sleep. Mrs. Wallace, before her marriage was Miss Mary T. Zouch, and was a daughter of Captain Zouch, of the 4th Regiment of Foot, who was the first Superintendent of Police of the Southern District. Mrs. Wallace was born at Bungendore. Her mother was one of the well known Brookes family. On her husband's death in 1883, Mrs. Wallace came from Monaro to Goulburn to live and here she became a keen helper in all charitable work and an esteemed church worker. Later she moved to Sydney where she lived with Miss Wallace, near her daughters, Mrs. Reginald Futter and Mrs. Frank Campbell. There is another daughter, Mrs. Siddall, of Mellbourne. The four sons are William, Zouch, John and Reginald. Mrs.

Wallace always enjoyed seeing her friends and was always seen surrounded by them at the Back-to-Goulburn parties held in Sydney. Her quick and clear memory and he interest in things, past and present, endeared her to her many friends.

Kevin Wallace

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

RIXON

From: Joye Walsh
Sent: 18 October, 2015 6:52 PM
Subject: MP pioneers

Hi Ian

Thanks for the latest interesting newsletter. There is always something to catch the eye - even if it is not immediately related to my family line. Much appreciation for the continued dedication.

Could you please update this:

1473. Rixon, Jean was born 12 Aug 1927, Gulargambone, NSW.

Passed away 16th July 2015

Another interesting point is the possibility that my ancestor, James Rixon, [MP0643] - who was charged as James Hickson may have been baptised at St Michaels Church in Lichfield, Staffordshire. [Attached photo]

This information was given to me by David Herbert, shortly before my husband & I were to be in the area in early August. We went to the Church, saw the font which would have been in use on 17.1.1771, and examined the microfiche of the Church records. This date fits with James' age being given as 22 when he was charged in 1792.

If this is the correct James, his parents were Thomas Hickson and Mary.

James was charged with stealing nine guineas in Ilkeston, Derbyshire which is about 35 miles from Lichfield.

With more time & further research it may be possible to find a marriage for his parents & possibly a prior conviction for James. The local Librarian suggested the death penalty was harsh for a first offence!

Cheers, Joye

Hi Joye,

Thanks for the information, there is always some new info "popping" up which makes the MP project so interesting. I am delighted you find the newsletter worthwhile, sadly the volume of material for inclusion is starting to dwindle. I am not sure if this is because of disinterest or that we have most of information in the database already. Sad really because there is still so much that needs to be added and so many dates that are incomplete.

Perhaps another appeal to our readership might stir some action?

I have recently been adding the images of convict records I can find in Ancestry.com to the "guests of the crown" in the database including the scant material available for James Hickson.

Regards, Ian

Hi Ian

Hopefully the lack of material is because people are finding so much useful "stuff" there already. As more becomes available online, no doubt there will be more to add. It is great to see copies of original documents because as you know it is easy to mis-read or transcribe incorrectly from hand-written documents.

Our "James Hickson" is a bit of an enigma with the name change to "Rixon". Maybe an early mis-spelling!

No need to reply to this message - I do appreciate all the work you do for the wide membership.

Cheers, Joye

CARSTAIRS

From: Tim Toni
Sent: 24 October, 2015 6:10 PM
Subject: Pat Carstairs - Jam

Hi Ian

A question without notice …

I recently bought a small jar of cherry jam made by Pat Carstairs

I’m a bit confused as to where i got it from

I’ve narrowed it down to a few sources. One of which is the CWA market at Nimmitabel

Do you know Pat? If so, could you please pass on my contacts. I’d like to buy more …

Thx, Tim Toni

Hi Tim,

Sorry I am unable to help but this email will appear in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers can help.

Regards, Ian

BUNYAN

From: John Bunyan
Sent: 25 October, 2015 7:27 AM
Subject: origin of name "Bunyan"

Dear Sir,

Just before going into town, I thought I’d enquire about how “Bunyan” came to be used of the tiny hamlet and the lake near Cooma. On this web-site the name in this case is said to be aboriginal. I wondered if there was any evidence for this at all.

The name would have been very well-known in Australia as in the UK in the 19th century when many people still read “The Pilgrim’s Progress”.

The surname’s origin is Buignon (spelt in various ways in the Middle Ages), from a Norman French word for small patties (related to the words “bun” and “bunion”), the earliest known member of the Norman family being noted in 1199.

Have not passed by Bunyan for many years and first did so when going with our Canberra Grammar School pupils to the snow back in the early 60s.

With all good wishes,

Yours faithfully, (Chaplain) J.R.Bunyan

Campbelltown, NSW

Hi John,

Sorry, I am not aware of any "evidence" to support the information we have. This email will be included in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers will be able to help you.

Regards, Ian

MacDONALD

From: Tony van Rossum

Sent: 24 October, 2015 11:29 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: MacDonald, Margaret Mercer (I303071)

Proposed Change: MacDonald, Margaret Mercer (I303071)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I303071&tree=MP

Description: (Back ground; Margaret was my Grandmother on mothers side) Burial 1965. Nudgee Cemetery, Queensland, Location 7A - 238 Margaret Married, Bernard Henry 'Bernie' McDonald, 01 Apr 1944. Sale, Victoria, Australia, St. Mary's Cathedral

Bernard Henry 'Bernie' McDonald

Birth 25 AUG 1921, Preston, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia - Death 29 JUN 2010, Brisbane, Queensland, Australia

Margaret had a Sister

June Mary Mercer MacDonald

Birth 31 JUL 1919. Earling, London, England - Death 15 MAY 2003. Kippa-Ring, Queensland, Australia June - Married, William Joseph 'Bill' McDonald, 15 MAR

1944 • Sale, Victoria, Australia. St Mary's Catholic Church

William Joseph 'Bill' McDonald

Birth 07 SEP 1920. Preston, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia - Death 10 AUG 1992. Redcliffe, Queensland, Australia

Bernard Henry McDonald and William Joseph McDonald are brothers. (2 of 8 Children Joe & Blanche had) Parents were:

Joseph Charles 'Joe' McDonald

Birth 21 JUN 1890. Brunswick, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia - Death 18 MAR 1953. Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Burial 20 Mar 1953 • Fawkner, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Fawkner Cemetery, Roman Catholic, Compartment U Grave 5731

Blanche Rosa Dowling

Birth 22 AUG 1890. North Fitzroy, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia - Death 20 DEC 1981. Heidelberg, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia - Burial 23 Dec 1981.

Fawkner Cemetery, Melbourne, Victoria, Roman Catholic Compartment U Grave 5731

Married, 27 MAY 1915. Preston, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, Sacred Heart Church

Margaret and June's parents were:

Angus Cameron MacDonald

Birth 30 SEP 1889. Maffra, Victoria, Australia Death 12 OCT 1937. Sale, Victoria, Australia Burial, 1937. Maffra, Gippsland, Victoria, Australia, affra Cemetery

Florence Irene 'Rene' Mercer

Birth 26 NOV 1897. Highbury, Middlesex, England - Death 16 OCT 1990 Melbourne, Victoria, Australia

Married,10 Jun 1918. Brentford, Middlesex, England, Church of Our Lady and St. Joseph

Tony van Rossum

Thank you,

Regards Ian

KEYS/McDONALD

On 23/10/2015 14:32, Leone Richards wrote:

Thanks Ian.

Mary Linus Keys, daughter to Margaret Marcella, born 23 September, 1910 died 17 June, 1992 aged 81.

Gladys Keys, daughter to Margaret Marcella is still alive......currently in her late 90s.

I will gather information on daughter Madeline Keys regarding her date of birth and let you know so as to update her details.

Regards!

Leone Richards

On Fri, Oct 23, 2015 at 2:21 PM, <ian@monaropioneers.com> wrote:

Hi Leone,

Please send your amendments/additions to me and I will update our database.

Regards, Ian

On 23/10/2015 13:42, Leone Richards wrote:

Comments (McDonald, Margaret Marcella b. 27 Mar 1888 Nimmitabel, NSW d. 1973 Newcastle, NSW): I am Margaret Marcella McDonald's granddaughter and have updated information for the website. Who do I contact to add/amend the information?

Leone Richards

Thank you,

Regards Ian

MERRIMAN

On 22/10/2015 14:35, Warwick wrote:

Proposed Change: Merriman, Ronald Walter (I255799)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I255799&tree=MP

Description: OBITUARY

Mr R. W. Merriman

Mr Ronald Walter Merriman, 61, elder son of the late Sir Walter and Lady Merriman, of the stud merino property "Merryville" near Yass, died on Thursday.

Mr Merriman was born at Merryville and educated at the King's School in Parramatta. He served in the Army in the Middle East, and after World War II, managed a property near Yass for his father. Earlier he owned two properties at Kambah and Walwah. In 1945 he moved to Yass and assisted his father on 'Merryville'.

Mr Merriman was an active member of the Yass RSL Club. Yass Bowling Club, Yass Golf Club, Yass Picnic Race Club and the Yass Pastoral and Agricultural Show Society.

His wife predeceased him and their only daughter, Diana, lives in Sydney.

The Canberra Times (ACT : 1926 - 1995), Monday 22 July 1974

Warwick

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

FORD

From: Diane Steedman
Sent: 22 October, 2015 10:24 AM
Subject: John Edward Ford

Hello Ian

I came across a 2013 Monaro Pioneers Newsletter and noticed an email from Carol Mackin. We have common

ancestors - John Edward Ford and Mary Hayes. If you have a current email for her could you please

pass on my email address (maybe I can help)

Many thanks, Diane Steedman

Hi Diane,

The email address you need is … xxxxxxxxxxxx

Regards, Ian

CURLEY

On 22/10/2015 08:37, Kellie wrote:

Proposed Change: Curley, Thomas (I162116)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I162116&tree=MP

Description: Thomas's Will names a wife Elizabeth Sarah and a son Charles Mark.

Cemetery Notes have he married Elizabeth Sarah HANNAFORD at Cooma. His parents noted as Patrick and Mary (FAHEY)

marriage

6027/1886 CURLEY THOMAS HANNAFORD SARAH E COOMA

Kellie

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

MADDEN

On 22/10/2015 07:44, Kellie wrote:

Proposed Change: Madden, Martha (I50597)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I50597&tree=MP

Description: Name: Martha Madden

Birth: 1805

Civil: 5 Jun 1847 Certificate of Freedom

Origin: Belfast, Antrim, Northern Ireland

Arrival: 1840 'Margaret'

Martha has further arrests after her marriage, as Martha PHILLIPS, details of which confirm her as being the above Martha MADDEN

Kellie

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

GALVIN

On 22/10/2015 01:28, Judy-Ann Armstrong wrote:

Proposed Change: Galvin, John Joseph (I288561)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I288561&tree=MP

Description: Hi Ian Harvey, I can add onto this family tree. This John Joseph Galvin is my great grandfather. I have all the rest of the family from my parents in ancestry.

John Joseph Galvin b 25 January 1873 and d in 1923 in 38 Derwent Street Glebe. He married my Great Grandmother - Margaret Mary Carroll born 31 October 1881 in Merringo near Boorowa NSW married on 29 November 1900 in Condobolin. Margaret Mary Galvin nee Carroll died 6 April 1967 in Prince Alfred Hospital Sydney Cert no 21122/1967. I have all their children that I can give to you. My grandmother was their second child Christina Hope Galvin Born 24/12/1902 in Condobolin Died June 1970 in Concord Hospital Sydney Certificate no 19355/1970.

Christina Hope Galvin married Victor Rowland Ham b 25 April 1896 in Bristol, Somerset, England. Married 29 December 1932 in St John Bishopthorpe Glebe Cert no 1933/1589 Died 31 October 1950 in Randwick Hospital Sydney Cert 29822/1950. He fought for Australia in the Army and died basically from wounds sustained in the Second World War.

Then you get to living people my mother Joan Margaret Ham, named after her grandmother Margaret Mary Carroll. Joan Margaret Ham married John Addison on 31 March 1956. Then me Judy-Ann Armstrong nee Addison.

I can give you all the information if you want to add it onto the tree. I was reading some stories about Peter McNally who if I have it right is my gg grandmother Sarah McNally's brother. There seems to be a long history in Yass, Yass River and Derringulen. Michael Denis Galvin b 1819 was apparently an apprentice to Hamilton Hume and Margaret Ennis was sponsored to come to Australia, they were yet unmarried until they came here and then they were married. Mum and Dad went to a special event about 15 years ago in Yass about this, there is an association with Caroline Chisolm, I think.

John Joseph Galvin (The third) b 25 January 1873 was a policeman in the NSW Colonial Police Force. He opened up a few of the regional police stations/goals Condobolin in particular as there is a news article my cousin has celebrating the 100 year anniversary of the jail a few years ago and stating that law enforcement/solicitor connection is still there 100 years later as my cousin is a solicitor and is married to another solicitor, they have a legal practice in Condobolin.

I have a similar connection as I am a Licensed Conveyancer.

My parents in law live in Frogmore near Boorowa, they moved from Sydney about 17 years ago. I have done some family research and found something like 73 relatives buried in Boorowa Cemetery, their family names are Carroll and Corkery. I must admit that I have always felt at home on the Monaro Plain, and love the Snowy Mountains, Boorowa and Yass. This was before I knew my family had a family history in the area. When I go and visit my parents in law in Boorowa, I have noticed that some of the people look a lot like me and my great grand

aunt for example, sometimes the resemblances is uncanny. But probably I am just related to them, they are my cousins.

Kind regards

Judy-Ann Armstrong nee Addison. gg granddaughter of John Joseph Galvin. We do have some lovely photos of him, all dressed up in his Colonial Police Force Uniform. I think he was an Inspector of Police when he died in 1923 at Glebe, my grand uncle told me a few years ago, His name of course was John Joseph Galvin (the Fourth and one of the best!).

Judy-Ann Armstrong

Thank you Judy,

We welcome additional information and images if you can provide them.

Regards, Ian

CAMPBELL

On 21/10/2015 19:47, Graham Campbell wrote:

> Proposed Change: Campbell, Patrick (I66847)

> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

> Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I66847&tree=MP

> Description: add date of death:7 December 1920 Bairnsdale Vic, last residence-Orbost Vic Buried Bairnsdale Cemetery:9 December 1920

> ref:Bairnsdale deaths 1920/12896

> Graham Campbell

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

CAMPBELL

On 21/10/2015 19:06, Graham Campbell wrote:

> Proposed Change: Campbell, William (I67303)

> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

> Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I67303&tree=MP

> Description: William Campbell B. 1855 is my GGrandfather Add death details:

> Died 10 August 1924 Bairnsdale Vic

> Last residence: Orbost

> Graham Campbell

Thank you Graham,

Regards, Ian

From: Graham Campbell
Sent: 21 October, 2015 1:29 PM
Subject: Queanbeyan Pioneers- Book request

Re below entry in last September newsletter
From: Ruth
Sent: 5 September, 2015 7:20 PM
Subject: Book Search

If Ruth has been unable to find a copy of Queanbeyan Pioneers- First Study I would be happy to copy any relevant pages she may require and send them to her.
I had obtained my copy from a Queenbeyan bookshop many years ago , which has since closed

Graham Campbell
Hi Ruth,

Here is a response to your request in the last newsletter.

Regards, Ian

PHILLIPS

On 20/10/2015 10:08, Kellie wrote:

> Proposed Change: Phillips, Samuel (I2511)

> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

> Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I2511&tree=MP

> Description: Original records have this man as Samuel PHILPS. He does not appear to be born 1807 Wales, that was a different Samuel PHIILIPS

who arrived 1832 on "Portland"

> Samuel PHILPS records show he was born abt 1803-1806 and was native of Sussex, England and was previously married.

> It's only after he arrives in Australia some convict/original records begin to show PHILLIPS and a date of 1806....previous Sussex England

> convict records show PHILPS and 1803.

> NSW State Records

> PHILP Samuel Lady Harewood 1832 40/0250 30 Jan 1840 Certificate of Freedom [4/4356; Reel 1005] TL 36/1539

> PHILP Samuel Lady Harewood 1832 36/1539 Ticket of Leave [4/4106;

> Reel 925] District: Campbelltown; Tried: Susex SGD

> Kellie

Thanks Kellie,

I found and added the missing images thanks to your excellent detective work.

Regards, Ian

DAY/SMITH/AKERS

From: Michelle Wallace
Sent: 20 October, 2015 11:15 AM
Subject: Seeking family history connections

Hello,

Please forgive the intrusion.

My name is Michelle Wallace and I am seeking to research my family history in the Monaro. My sister, Diana Goldrick has done some research and has passed the baton to me.

I have looked on the Monaro Pioneers site and hope you may be able to point me in the right direction.

My maternal grandmother was Elsie Maud Henry (nee Smith) born at Ironmongie on 9 August 1890, died 13 October 1976 in Sydney.

She was the sixth living daughter of William Henry Smith born 11 February 1954 at Charcoal Creek, died 26 December 1922 in Cooma and Margaret Day born 20 October 1856 at Camden, died 25 May 1928, Sydney. All of their 11 children, eight of whom survived were born at Ironmongie.

I was very close to Elsie and remember going to Cooma with her at about the age of 10 and meting a Lonnie Day, who I think was her cousin. My sister and I were her only grandchildren as her son Larry (Laurence) did not marry. My mother's name was Joyce (Joy) May Preston.

My sister has been able to trace back to First Fleeter Thomas Acres (Akers) but we are very keen for more information on the Day and Smith families.

I would be grateful, too, to know if I am barking up the wrong tree.

Yours sincerely, Michelle Wallace

Hi Michelle,

You can find all the information we have on the Day and Smith family's in our database which is searchable via our website. Margaret Day is indeed a direct descendant of Thomas Akers and you can follow those branches back as far as we have information on our website.

Regards, Ian

RIXON

From: Joye Walsh
Sent: 18 October, 2015 6:52 PM
Subject: MP pioneers

Hi Ian

Thanks for the latest interesting newsletter. There is always something to catch the eye - even if it is not immediately related to my family line. Much appreciation for the continued dedication.

Could you please update this:

1473. Rixon, Jean was born 12 Aug 1927, Gulargambone, NSW.

Passed away 16th July 2015

James was charged with stealing nine guineas in Ilkeston, Derbyshire which is about 35 miles from Lichfield.

Cheers, Joye

Hi Joye,

Perhaps another appeal to our readership might stir some action?

I have recently been adding the images of convict records I can find in Ancestry.com to the "guests of the crown" in the database including the scant material available for James Hickson.

Regards, Ian

TOMLINSON

From: Kevin Wallace

Sent: 18 October, 2015 10:04 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Tomlinson, Isabella M. (I349677)

Proposed Change: Tomlinson, Isabella M. (I349677)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I349677&tree=MP

Description: Wellington Times (NSW:1899–1954) Thursday, January 6, 1921. Page 4.

WEDDINGS.

STEWART — TOMLINSON.

A quiet, but pretty wedding took place at St. Philip's Church, Auburn, on Thursday, 23rd December last, by the Rev P. J. Evans, when Isabella Mary Tomlinson, second daughter of Mrs. Tomlinson, of "Cordillera", Cumberland-road, Auburn, was married to Mr. Leslie Stewart, eldest son of Mr. and Mrs. E. Stewart, of Wellington. The bride was gowned in an ivory crepe-de-chene trimmed with Georgette. Her embroidered veil was held in position by a cirlet of orange blossoms, and she carried a shower bouquet of white roses and carnations, tied with white satin streamers. She was given away by Mr. Bert Stewart, brother of the bridegroom, and was attended by Miss Alice Leake, as bridesmaid, who wore a pretty blue voile dress, trimmed with frills, and hat was of the same shade. She carried a bouquet of pink roses and asparagus fern, tied with pink satin streamers. Mr. Charles Leake, brother-in-law of the bride, was best man. A reception was held at the residence of the bride's mother, and only the immediate relatives and friends were entertained. After the usual congratulations the happy couple, amid showers of confetti and good wishes, motored to Coogee, where the honeymoon was spent, the bride travelling in an apricot crepe-de-chene dress and hat to match.

* * * * * * * * * * *

Kevin Wallace

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

LAWLESS

From: LAWRENCE BYRON

Sent: 18 October, 2015 9:58 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Lawless, L.E.A. (I261975)

Proposed Change: Lawless, L.E.A. (I261975)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I261975&tree=MP

Description: question:

How can Lila Evelyn Alice LAWLESS marry a Fiona Ann HASSELL

considering both are female

regards, Lawrence Byron

Hi Lawrence,

L.E.A Lawless MP reference id 261975 is a male and is not Lila Evelyn Alice Lawless. He is Lyndon Edward Anthony and because his is still living, only his initials will display on our site.

Regards, Ian

BILLS

On 17/10/2015 16:45, Allen Bills wrote:

> Proposed Change: Family: Bills, William Kilby/Cook, Lydia Maria

> (F82436)

> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

> Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F82436&tree=MP

> Description: Re William Kilby Bills born at Charing:

> Change to: William Kilby Bill born at Willesden, Middlesex, Eng

> ca. 24.5.1833.

> Reasons:

> 1. The Charing connection was supposed: there were no Kilby family at Charing.

> 2. A William Bill was found to have jumped ship ( NSW Police Gazette ) and he was late arrested. As a merchant seaman, he may well have then

> sailed to Boston, USA, or other places. leading to references on his childrens' birth registrations to Boston and USA, giving plausibility to such data.

NO evidence has been found that William BILLS of Charing had such maritime connections apart from his arrival in colony per Thetis.

> 3. The passing down of certain seamans' language in at least one branch of the family.

> 4. References from family " legends " to Middlesex as place of origin.

> 5. No evidence has been found that William BILLS per Thetis had any brother ( s ) attempt to sail to the Australian colonies, either before or since.

> 6. The early 1850's was a time of social flux - people were considering a new life wherever they perceived would be better off. The " Thetis " Bills could

also have migrated overseas from the colonies as well, but to not return.

> 7. William Kilby BILL ( born 24.5.1833 at Willesden, Middlesex, Eng. was son of Thomas BILL ( ca. 1810-1861 ) whom married Ann KILBY, b. 19.1.1803 at

Willesden, and died on 12,2,1883 at Hull, Yorkshire, Eng. ).

> 8. Other siblings to arrive in colony were :

> Joseph BILL ( 5.9.1835 Willesden - 28.5.1865 , Melb, Vic ) - married Jane Montgomery in Vic, 1859. ( b, Ireland; d, 24.5.1901 at Essendon, Vic.)

> John James John BILL ( ca. 1842, Willesden - 24.2.1893, Melb, Vic ) married Sarah Elizabeth Morris on 10.8.1867 at Adelaide, SA. She died on 3.11.1911

at Footscray, Vic.

> These events and times were derived from SA and Vic bmd indexes, and from Family Search data.

> Many details have not been shown here in the interests of brevity.

> In short, the balance of probability is that William Kilby BILL/BILLS originated from Willesden, Middlesex, England.

> Regards, Allen Bills

Thanks for the information,

Regards, Ian

BAIN

From: Phyllis Kallquist
Sent: 13 October, 2015 7:43 PM
Subject: Elzabeth Bain Ref MP13458

Dear Ian,

I am looking for some clarification of the parents and siblings of Elizabeth Bain. ID 113458

There was a family of Bains who came to Sydney in 1837 and 1838 on the Portland from Greenock. In 1837 Mary Bain and Henrietta Clugston nee Bain arrived. In 1838 Jane/Jean McKay widow of James Bain arrived with her 3 children Elizabeth b 24 Mar 1823, James b 13 May 1820 and Jane b 1832. The mother Jean Bain died in 1840 with daughter Jane taken into care but the following year given into the care of her brother in law Alexander Clugston. So this establishes that Henrietta was the daughter of Jean McKay.

Was the Elizabeth Bain who married Thomas Appleby the one who arrived on the Portland in 1838 ? To add to the confusion it has Elizabeth’s origin as Cornwall on Bounty Immigrants list.

There are OPRs for Henrietta and Mary as daughters of James Bain and Jean McKay in Montrose, Angus. However Mary’s registry of death states that her mother was Elizabeth. Also on the Bounty Immigrants List it states that she is a native of Geenock.

When Mary Bain married John Ferguson in 1841 Henrietta Clugston and James Bain were witnesses. There appears to have been close contact between Elizabeth Bain Appleby’s family and Mary Bain Adcroft’s family in the ensuing years.

It is all very confusing and I would appreciate any guidance you can give to help me unravel the Bains.

Regards, Phyllis Kallquist

Hi Phyllis,

I have done a bit of checking and it appears you are correct. The information we had on the parents of Mary and Elizabeth was not correct and I have amended our records accordingly. You conclusions are supported by the information available on the immigration records, the Familysearch website and Ancestry.com.

Regards, Ian

COPPIN

From: Neville Coppin
Sent: 13 October, 2015 7:08 PM
Subject: Coppin

In your recent newsletter there was a mention of Arthur Coppin could you pass on to the person making the info available my e- mail and telephone no’s please. Telephone: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx. Enjoy your work and effort in maintaining such a large info. base. Thanks Ian.

Regards Neville Coppin

Hi Neville,

The email address you need is … xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Regards, Ian

WALLACE

On 12/10/2015 20:38, Kevin wrote:

Proposed Change: Wallace, William Henry (I256758)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I256758&tree=MP

Description: The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW: 1842?1954) Saturday January 29, 1938. Page 22

WALLACE.? January 28. 1938, at the residence of his daughter, Mrs. C Barrett, 60 Merlin Street, North Sydney. William Wallace, late of Araluen, aged 83 years. R.I.P.

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW: 1842?1954) Saturday, January 29, 1938.

Page 5

FUNERALS.

WALLACE _ Relatives and Friends of the late WILLIAM WALLACE. Late of Araluen, are kindly invited to attend his Funeral; to leave Our Funeral Home, corner of Miller and Falcon Streets, North Sydney, THIS Saturday) AFTERNOON, at 3.30 o'clock, for Catholic Cemetery, Northern Suburbs.

WOOD COFFILL LIMITED.

Kevin

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

FLINT

From: Kellie

Sent: 11 October, 2015 10:42 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Flint, Eliza (I60964)

Proposed Change: Flint, Eliza (I60964)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I60964&tree=MP

Description: Burial of Elizabeth KEEFE Rookwood Cemetery, Catholic Mortuary

2 & 3, Died 1 October 1950, Aged 98yo, Section E ROW 14, Plot Numbers 1436,1437.

She is buried with her son Michael who died 14 December 1950.

28667/1950 KEEFE MICHAEL MICHAEL ELIZABETH LIVERPOOL

Kellie

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

FLINT

From: Kellie

Sent: 11 October, 2015 10:35 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Flint, Eliza (I60964)

Proposed Change: Flint, Eliza (I60964)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I60964&tree=MP

Description: This death date is incorrect. The Eliza KEEFE who died 1913 was the wife of Denis KEEFE and she was 58yo.

Elizabeth FLINT died as Elizabeth KEEFE in 1950

25725/1950 KEEFE ELIZABETH THOMAS MARY NEWTOWN Her death notice SMH 2 Oct

1950 names her husband and all their children.

You already have her and parents listed on MP but have not connected them to this line yet

Kellie

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

DONNELLY

On 10/10/2015 12:24, Susan wrote:

Proposed Change: Donnelly, Xavier C. (I178068)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I178068&tree=MP

Description: I think this is probably Claude Exaviour DONNELLY, who died in 1959 (16513/1959)

Susan

Thanks,

Regards, Ian

AVERY

From: Beryl Snowden

Sent: 8 October, 2015 7:12 PM

Subject: Avery info

Hi Ian

Do you have an email address for Helen Gray, whose inquiry appears in the latest Newsletter.

I think I may be able to steer her in the right direction.

Sincerely, Beryl Snowden

Hi Beryl,

Helen's email address is ... 'Helen Gray' <xxxxxxxxxxxx>

Regards, Ian

TINDALL

From: Marilyn Campbell
Sent: 7 October, 2015 6:29 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers Website - James Ivan Tindall

Hi Ian

I am writing to find out if you have any biographical information on a family called Tindall? Specifically James Ivan Tindall (known as Jim Tindall, he was born in Towamba on 14 July 1913), his parents or siblings? James died in an RAAF plane crash in New Guinea on 18 September 1945. He was one of 29 servicemen. My uncle also died in the crash and I am writing a book about it, and including a short biography on each of the servicemen.

I already have a copy of James Tindall's service record and have found other details about the family on Trove - but wanted to know if you have anything I can add. I also have had past contact with some of his present day relatives who I want to talk to again. But I'm contacting you as I am interested in looking at the history aspects.

His parents were:-

Charles James Tindall was born in “Native Dog Flat", Mt Cooper, in 1882 Ethel Eunice Maud Martin born in Eden in 1891

Their other children (James' siblings) were:-

Mary Elizabeth, Courtney Charles, Edna Doris, Dorothy Alma, Vera Eileen, Gordon Wilfred, Reginald Laurence and Ina May.

The father Charles James was a farmer in Towamba, then Kameruka, before moving his family to Candelo moved into the town of Candelo where he bought a shop known as the Old Repository from Mr. and Mrs F. J. Ryan, who were well known proprietors.

I'd be grateful for any information (even photos) you can share.

Look forward to hearing back from you.

Kind regards, Marilyn Campbell

Hi Marilyn,

The only information we have is what is already available in our database on our website. No photos unfortunately.

Regards, Ian

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