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2015 Number 11





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On 06/12/2015 09:15, Warwick wrote:

Proposed Change: Alicia (I151021)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I151021&tree=MP


Description: Bungendore.

It is with the deepest regret that I refer to the death of Mrs Sherd, sen, which took place on Tuesday last. After her recent operation in the Queanbeyan hospital, the deceased lady improved slightly for a time, but gradually faded away. She was carefully, tenderly, and lovingly nursed by her affectionate daughters till the last. Mrs Sherd has resided in the district for nearly 40 years, and was always well respected. Her remains were interred in the, R C. cemetery on Wednesday.

Queanbeyan Age, Wednesday 22 April 1896 page 2




Regards,  Ian



On 06/12/2015 09:14, Warwick wrote:

Proposed Change: Sherd,  William Josiah (I151020)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I151020&tree=MP


Description: OBITUARY.-We regret to report the death on Friday night of the oldest resident of this district, Mr. William Sherd senior. It was totally unexpected, as he was quite hale and hearty during the day. He slept in a room by himself, and on his not coming to breakfast on Saturday morning, his daughter sent a boy to call him. On opening the door of the room he saw the deceased lying dead on the floor. The police were communicated with. It it stated that Mr. Sherd was subject to fits, and it is supposed that during one of these attacks be fell out of bed and was smothered. The remains were interred in the Church of England cemetery on Monday. A large concourse of people followed the hearse. Mr.

C. Wilshire (in the absence of Rev. J. Scott) officiated at the grave.

Goulburn Herald, Wednesday 9 November 1898 page 4




Regards,  Ian



From: Patricia McGufficke

Sent: 6 December, 2015 4:24 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Richards, Caroline Augusta (I125250)


Proposed Change: Richards,  Caroline Augusta (I125250)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I125250&tree=MP


Description: Caroline was buried 4 Aug 1871 on Candelo Reserve, Candelo.

Caroline was 35 years of age when she died at Candelo from an ulcer on her back caused by a burn when living at Pioneer's Forest which is just outside Candelo on the way to Bemboka from "The Common Hill" to Slaters Lane.  Roger Thomas Kirby, Roman Catholic Layman, officated at the funeral.  Witnesses were Roger Kirby and Caroline's husband, James Twigg


Patricia McGufficke

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Mary

Sent: 5 December, 2015 4:48 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Kearney, Margaret (I13336)


Proposed Change: Kearney,  Margaret (I13336)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I13336&tree=MP


Description: Hi, I am a direct lineal descendant via Madge (Bales) McDonald.

I am particularly interested in tracing my maternal line. Can you please let me know the source for Margaret's parents, and particularly her mother, or put me in touch with the contributor of this information regards Mary Gorman

Hi Mary,

The information we have on Margaret Kearney is as supplied to us and we have no contact information unfortunately.

Regards,  Ian



On 05/12/2015 16:02, Warwick wrote:

Proposed Change: McCoy,  Anne (I2226)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I2226&tree=MP


Description:  Birthday Social.




A celebration that might be of interest to many old friends and residents of the Bombala district was held at the home of Mr .and Mrs. Tim Gleeson, Crow's Nest, Qld., on Sunday, 4th February. About 30 relatives and friends, including sons, daughters, grand and great-grand children attended, and enjoyed a most sumptuous dinner, given in honor of Mrs. McNee on her 90th birth day, which great age represents to those near and dear to her a proud record, not only for the number of years but for her wonderfully preserved health and happiness, as both mentally and bodily she enjoys marvellous health.

Mrs. McNee was born at Cathcart, Monaro, in the year 1844, where her early life was spent. She married the late Hugh McNee, who was also a native of the Bombala district, and where their family were reared and educated. About 26 years ago the late Mr. Hugh and Mrs. McNee went to Queensland, making their home at Crow's Nest, at which place Mr. McNee passed away about 20 years ago. Many and varied have been the experiences of this lady during her 90 years. She can relate with accuracy numerous entertaining episodes, both of progress and failure, and of prosperity and depression through which, she has passed. When quite a child, her parents, the late Mr .and Mrs. P. McCoy, who ranked amongst the first of the old pioneers of Bombala and Eden districts, with their young family, went to the Ovens and Bendigo diggings. As a contrast to present-day fortune hunters, they had only the most primitive means of transport. Mrs. McNee, although only about 8 years of age at that time, recollects vividly the long wearisome journey in a bullock dray, through flooded creeks and rivers, and over miles and miles of boggy tracks, as well as enduring numerous other hard ships.

However, to see her to-day, one would never presume that her life had been other than a bed of roses. Apart from the little evening siesta, this wonderful old pioneer is never idle. A beautiful flower and vegetable garden is her constant hobby, and whilst resting from the gardening, knitting and crochet work keep her hands and mind occupied.

That, with the deep interest and sympathy; she feels for the welfare of her many friends, and the vicissitudes and great wonders of the present day world, make her at 90 years the happy, light-hearted and contented lady she certainly is.

One small item relative to the day's event worthy of mention was the beautiful 2-tier birthday cake, carrying 90 candles, made and decorated by Mrs. Gleeson, and cut at the afternoon tea. Amongst those present were Mr. and Mrs. Robert Thomas, also formerly of Monaro. Mrs. McNee was the recipient of numerous presents, also telegrams, phone messages, and letters of congratulation from friends in N.S.W. and locally.

The Bombala Times, Friday 23 February 1934 page 2




Regards,  Ian



From: Rebecca Anderson

Sent: 3 December, 2015 11:19 PM

Subject: Fensom, William Person ID I194597

Dear Ian


Firstly I want to congratulate you on a wonderful resource. I came across it just recently when doing a basic web search on my maternal grandmother's maiden name which was Fensom.


She was born in Tarago to William Fensom and Nellie O'Mallie and was the eldest of 12 children (Nellie had five to William and seven to his brother Charlie after Williams very early death).


My great aunt Kay Fensom was a keen researcher of our family history and put together a wonderful book detailing the family history back to English born convict Job Fensom which I will try and track down for you if you are interested as it will provide the information on William, Nellie and Charlie's offspring if you are interested.


Anyway thank you again for this wonderful resource and let me know if you would be interested in the book.


Kind regards,   Rebecca Anderson

Thank you,   Any additional information you can provide would be much appreciated.

Regards,  Ian



On 03/12/2015 07:50, Warwick wrote:

Proposed Change: Bassingthwaighte,  Archibald Ernest (I186469)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:    http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I186469&tree=MP






The townspeople were shocked on Wednesday morning when the news became known that Mr. Archie E. Bassingthwaighte, of 'Douro,' Larbert, had been found unconscious at his home with a pea-rifle, alongside him.

Apparently the bullet had embedded itself in his brain, as there were no marks of its exit. He had evidently rested his forehead on the muzzle of the rifle and pulled the trigger. He never recovered consciousness.

The deceased gentleman, who was 55 years of age, was a son of the late Mr. William Bassingthwaighte, one of the earliest settlers in this district. He was born at the homestead on which he resided at the time of his death. His wife died some eight months ago after an illness extending over four years, and this, together with financial worries, it is thought temporarily unhinged his mind and caused him to weary of earthly troubles.

The deceased had been a member of the Shire Council for some years, as one, of the representatives of A Riding. He took a deep interest in the work of the Council, and, it was a very rare occurrence that his seat at the Council table was vacant. He was also prominently identified with the P. and A. Society, both as a committeeman, exhibitor and steward, and was one of the most willing workers on the whole staff. The deceased was highly esteemed amongst all sections of the community, to whom the news of his sad end came as a great shock. He leaves no family. The funeral takes place at Larbert to-day. The deceased leaves two brothers (Messrs. H. A. Bassingthwaighte, of Brushy Hill, and A. R. Bassingthwaighte, of Queanbeyan) and three sisters (Mesdames Smith, of Sydney, T. McDowell, of Durran Durra, and H. J. Stephens, of Manar).

The Braidwood Dispatch and Mining Journal , Friday 29 August 1930 page 2




Regards,  Ian



On 01/12/2015 23:21, Gregory McInnes wrote:

Proposed Change: Robinson,  Lily (I102481)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I102481&tree=MP


Description: Born: 19 January 1898

Married: 5 September 1917, Arthur Drossou, Obost, Vic: VIC BDM 5138/1917

Divorced: 14 June 1935


The Argus (Melbourne, Vic) Saturday 15 June 1935 Page 19



Decrees nisi in divorce were granted by Mr. Justice Martin in the First Civil Court yesterday as follow -


Lily Drosson aged 37 years, Orbost, from Arthur Drosson, aged 41 years, fruiterer and confectioner, on the ground of misconduct. The parties were married nt Warragul on September 5, 1917.


Died: 1962, Orbost, Vic: VIC BDM 24592/1962


Arthur Drossou


Born: 1894, Gallipol, Turkey

Married 2: Linda Mary CROSS, Orbost, Vic: VIC BDM 16270/1940 under the surname DROSSOU

Naturalised: 10 October 1924

Died: 1975, Orbost, Vic: VIC BDM 26001/1975


Gregory McInnes


Regards,  Ian



On 01/12/2015 17:49, Gregory McInnes wrote:

Proposed Change: Robinson,  Alfred Cecil (I11080)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I11080&tree=MP


Description: Died: 4 August 1937 at Craigie, NSW

Funeral: 6 August 1937 St Philip's Church, Delegate

Buried: 6 August 1937, Delegate Cemetery, CofE Section



The Bombala Times (NSW) Friday 6 August 1937 Page 1



Mr. Alfred Cecil Robinson, aged 34, and son of Mr. Harry Robinson, died at Craigie yesterday after a long illness.


Delegate Argus (NSW) Thursday 12 August 1937 Page 2



Mr. Cecil Robinson

Mr. Cecil Robinson, who died on Wednesday night of last week, was the eldest son of Mr. H. Robinson, of Craigie, and the late Mrs. Robinson.

Most of his life had been spent in this district.

He was 34 years of age. His health had not been good for some time. He is survived by his widow and one child. The funeral took place on Friday afternoon last to the Church of England portion of the Delegate Cemetery, service being first held in St. Philip's Church. The Rev. T. R. Fleming officiated at the Church and the grave.


Gregory McInnes


Regards,  Ian



From: Grant Beed
Sent: 29 November, 2015 10:47 PM
Subject: Thomas Family Lobbs Hole

Hi Ian


I found you details on the Monaro Pioneers website.  I've really enjoyed reading about my forebears on it.  I was wondering if you may know of any interactions between the aboriginal populations of the Kiandra area and the Thomas family in the late 1800's and early 1900's.  Also my grandfather is listed on my fathers birth certificate as Henry John Beed also known as Albert E Elphick.  Do you know what this could mean?  My father was born in 1936 and my grandfather around 1907. My grandfather worked on the snowy mountain scheme after WWII.  I appreciate you may be a busy man but any information would be fantastic.


Kind Regards,  Grant Beed

Hi Grant,

All the information we have is available on our website.  I have no knowledge of any interaction between the local indigenous population and any settler families in the Kiandra area.    Alias names were commonly used to avoid family or legal responsibilities.   Perhaps with more detail provided I could comment further.

Regards,  Ian



On 29/11/2015 22:36, warwick wrote:

Proposed Change: Whittaker,  Thomas (I249735)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I249735&tree=MP


Description: On the Shoalhaven, the other day, the wife of a miner named George Lester [Thomas Whittaker] went to call him for dinner, when she found him smothered by the fall of the roof of a drive.

The Armidale Express and New England General Advertiser, Saturday 27 December 1873




Regards,  Ian



On 29/11/2015 22:17, Warwick wrote:

Proposed Change: Whittaker,  Thomas (I249735)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I249735&tree=MP


Description: It appears that the fatal accident recently on the Shoalhaven occurred to Thomas Whittaker, and not George Lester, the latter being a mate of Whittaker's.

The Armidale Express and New England General Advertiser Saturday 3 January 1874


And what do best mates do, marry the widow.




Regards,  Ian




On 28/11/2015 22:51, Gregory McInnes wrote:

Proposed Change: Robinson,  Charles Rupert (I348101)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I348101&tree=MP


Description: Married GRACE MAUDE HOGAN, 1945, Auburn, NSW. NSW BDM

13734/1945 Died 21 August 1976 at home 8 Avisford St, Fairfield, NSW




ROBINSON Charles Rupert   Death notice 21AUG1976 Death 55 late of

Fairfield Sydney Morning Herald 23AUG1976


The Sydney Morning Herald Monday August 23, 1976 Page 20



ROBINSON, Charles Rupert.- August 21, 1976, at his residence, late of Fairfield, devoted husband of the late Grace Maude Robinson, dearly loved father of Richard and Garry, aged 55 years.

Rest in peace.



1. Richard Charles ROBINSON

2. Garry Raymond ROBINSON


Gregory McInnes


Regards,  Ian



On 28/11/2015 21:17, roselyn@mmnet.com.au wrote:



My name is Roselyn Hoskin and my Great Grandfather was Walter Ernest Bridle.  I would like you to make an amendment to his family page on Monaro Pioneers please.


I have received his death certificate from BDM (1948/21697) and it states that the children at his death were aged at:

Walter 49, John 45, Edith 44, Harold 40, Daisy 38, Minnie 36, Nellie 34, Irene 32 (my grandmother), Percy 30, Valentine 28, and Daphne 27.  As you can see Ida had passed away and you have not added Daphne to the family tree.


Ida was still alive when my grandmother (Irene Amy Bridle) was born as on my grandmothers birth certificate from BDM (37493/1915), it states that:


Walter 16, Ida 14, John 13, Edith 11, Harold 8, Daisy 6, Minnie 3 and Nellie 1.


Irene Amy Bridle (my grandmother) was born on the 25th of August 1915 in Adelong.  She died on the 19th of December 1986 at Wodonga.  She Married Charles Hampstead from Tumut in 1936.  They had 7 children:


Terrence Charles born 1937

Cynthia Dawn born 1939

June Carole born 1940

Margaret Joan born 1944 (my mother)

Raymond John born 1947

Barbara Jean born 1948

Peter Wayne born 1957


Thanks so much,   Ros

Thank you Ros,

Regards,  Ian



On 27/11/2015 14:35, Kellie wrote:

Proposed Change: O'Hare,  Violet Marion (I104381)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I104381&tree=MP


Description: Violets death notice names 4 children.

Thora, Lillian, George and Neville.


George Edward BRADBURY enlisted WW2 and states his dob as 1920 VIC but this cannot be found. I think he may have been born 1921/1922 and lied about his age to enlist.


George died 1983 in ACT and his parents are named as George BRADBURY and Violet.


The only ER's Violet shows up on is one in 1943 NSW living alone and then from 1963 till her death in ACT again alone.  It appears she moved to ACT to be near George as he was there first, making me think George's family would have had a better idea of the "fathers name" as his family would have been closer to and known Violet better.




Regards,  Ian



On 27/11/2015 10:47, Kellie wrote:

Proposed Change: Bourke,  Hugh (I47778)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:  http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I47778&tree=MP


Description: This is the same man as Hugh BURKE I287283


married as BURKE not BOURKE and son born 1874 as BURKE.


It looks like Hugh died as BOUKE in Bega 1923.




Regards,  Ian




From: Kellie

Sent: 25 November, 2015 9:40 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Gardner, Rebecca (I122209)


Proposed Change: Gardner,  Rebecca (I122209)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I122209&tree=MP


Description: YES found it, she was charged with bigamy http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/110072200?searchTerm=bigamy





Regards,  Ian




From: Kellie

Sent: 25 November, 2015 9:27 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Gardner, Rebecca (I122209)


Proposed Change: Gardner,  Rebecca (I122209)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I122209&tree=MP


Description: Rebecca isn't innocent either...the same report 1883 gives hints to her 'new life' as Mrs ROBERTSON wife of John











Seems she used an alias to marry (WATSON was her grandfathers surname)



Death Notice to confirm





This confirms she had atleast 11 children http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/138960248?searchTerm=Rebecca





Regards,  Ian



From: Kellie

Sent: 25 November, 2015 9:18 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Forrester, George James (I124988)


Proposed Change: Forrester,  George James (I124988)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I124988&tree=MP


Description: George wasn't dead before 1883 as he was arrested in September

1883 for kidnapping his daughter Isabella http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/123469908?searchTerm=bigamy





Regards,  Ian



From: Kellie

Sent: 25 November, 2015 8:51 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Forrester, George James (I124988)


Proposed Change: Forrester,  George James (I124988)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I124988&tree=MP


Description: Charged with bigamy 1875 after he married Sarah MURPHY as James E FORRESTER.



Police/Gaol records state George was born USA 1844 and arrived in Australia

1858 on "Maud Ellen"




Regards,  Ian



From: Kellie Brown
Sent: 24 November, 2015 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Proposed Change: Armfield, Edward George (I145123)



I'm creating a database of people from the Monaro areas who were charged with Bigamy. I thought there would only be a couple listed on the MP site so was going to send them in but there is actually quite a few so will just provide the database when I'm finished.


Many times they appear to be two different people and are listed twice in databases, once each for each different family, when in fact they are just one person committing bigamy. Some were having children with both spouses so there are extra children to that family line. Sometimes the extra marriage and children are missed as usually the 2nd bigamous marriage is NULLED and removed from the marriage index and other times because one of the marriages will be in a different area, not a Monaro area, so it is never connected to the Monaro.


MP has Robert RUSSELL 212682 married to Mildred Frances HIGGS.

This was actually his 2nd (and bigamous) marriage.

Robert RUSSELL's real name was Frederick John TRIGG was married 31/10/1914 to Mary Agnes Blanch McCormack and they had

2 children.


Which is why a correct birth and death cannot be found for him as Robert RUSSELL. It also means that the RUSSELL offspring are not biologically RUSSELL but in fact TRIGG.


Frederick John TRIGG was born 1890 VIC to Frederick TRIGG and Mary Anne FULTON.

He is listed as a carpenter on 1913 Geelong Elect Rolls, living with his parents.

He married 1914 to McCormack then changes his name to RUSSELL and bigamously remarried in 1918 to HIGGS.



On 23/11/2015 17:13, Kellie wrote:

Proposed Change: Armfield,  Edward George (I145123)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I145123&tree=MP

Description: Another charged with bigamy. Married under the name Ernest


There is a recurring theme here?



From: Michelle

Sent: 24 November, 2015 10:08 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Leary, Eleanor (I24663)


Proposed Change: Leary,  Eleanor (I24663)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I24663&tree=MP


Description: Hi Ian,

Eleanor Leary may have had her name transcribed incorrectly in the NSW BDM database or it was a second name, as she was more commonly known as Florence Leary.

She passed away as Florence Glanville (after a 2nd marriage) and was referred to as Florence in many newspaper articles/ family notices.

Her marriage to Oswald Arthur Storrier in 1912 produced at least 6 children.

1.Arthur James 09.09.1913- 19.01.1992 Crookwell 2.Margaret Mary May 1914-

07.01.1993 Crookwell 3.Leo John 24.07.1915- 06.07.1997 Crookwell 4.Vincent Oswald 1917- 1997 Crookwell 5.Clare Monica 1919- 09.06.2001 6. Dorothy Catherine c 1923- 28 June 2009 Crookwell.

Oswald Arthur Storrier died 19.04.1927 Crookwell Florence remarried in 1930 At Forbes to Thomas Patrick Glanville. Florence passed away 04.04.1971 Crookwell and Thomas passed away in 1958 at Crookwell.


Regards Michelle


Regards,  Ian



From: Patricia McGafficke
Sent: 23 November, 2015 6:35 PM
Subject: Photograph of James Lawrence Way - WWI

Hello Ian,

My head is spinning after a day spent trying to obtain information about a photograph of the above found in the Bombala High School publication, The Bombala Battlers, which contains information on the WWI men named on the Bombala War Memorial.


James Lawrence Way (known as James Lindsay Way to his family), was my grand-uncle.  Until last week when we received a copy of the book, we had not seen a photograph of James, although my mother, now aged 99, can remember seeing a photograph of James sprawled on the ground in front of a group of soldiers.  Sadly, any photographs the family had were destroyed when my great-aunt died in the 1950’s.  You can imagine our excitement when we saw his photograph!!


I contacted Bombala High School who sent me a very clear copy of the photograph.  They referred me to Sharon O’Hagan, and she in turn told me she found the photograph on the Monaro Pioneers website.  I also spent some time looking at photos on the Delegate RSL  website today, and in one photo, there are about 16 photos on the wall at the back of the Delegate School of Arts Hall with one that is possibly that of James, in that it is an oval similar to his photo.


I have been a member of, and contributor to, the Monaro site for years, and because “we”, his closest existing family had not been able to source a photo, had not re-visited his entry on the site for some time.  What a lesson to learn!!!  Revisit information frequently!!


My question now to you is, do you know who submitted the photo to the site?


Sorry to take up so much of your valuable time, but hoping you can be of help.


Yours sincerely,  Patricia (Pat) McGufficke, Rockhampton, Qld.

Hi Patricia,

The Photo was originally in the All Australia Memorial - NSW book - a publication that originated from just after the war.  I will forward your email to the lady who so generously provided the image and she can decide if she wishes to remain anonymous or contact you direct.

Regards,  Ian



On 23/11/2015 17:06, Kellie wrote:

Proposed Change: Shiel,  William George (I357620)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I357620&tree=MP


Description: Charged with bigamy






Regards,  Ian



On 22/11/2015 18:58, Kellie wrote:

Proposed Change: Elizabeth (I382328)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I382328&tree=MP


Description: Elizabeth was a convict listed as BRODIE/BROADY


Name: Elizabeth Brodie

Age: 23

Date of Conviction: 26 Apr 1817

Place of Conviction: Glasgow

Estimated birth year: abt 1794

Vessel: Friendship

Port of Arrival: Sydney

Date of Arrival: 14 Jan 1818


She married James COTTINGTON/CODDINGTON 20 July 1818 Hawkesbury NSW.

3 children 1) John as we have, 2)Elizabeth b1829 d1829 and 3) Hannah



James died 1842 and Elizabeth remarried 18 April 1844 St Saviour, Argyle, NSW to William DROVER (also a convict) The convict application lists Elizabeth as BRODIE but the marriage index lists her as COTTINGTON.

Name: Elizabeth Brodie

Age: 49

Birth Year: Abt 1795

Spouse: William Drover

Request Status: Granted

Date of Permission/Refusal: 19 Apr 1844






Regards,  Ian



From: Lee K
Sent: 22 November, 2015 10:01 PM
Subject: Thornton Family

Hello Ian,


I was adopted at birth and recently found my birth mother (after 49 years) and her maiden name is Thornton. I've been doing a lot of family tree research since then. We've discovered that there is at least 15 convicts in our direct ancestors. 


I discovered your website when I was Googling for more information and I joined. It's got some great information. My mother remembers visiting the area and staying at the Royal Arms Hotel as a child.

I saw there was a page full of pictures of Thornton family members. But there was no description of who was who. I know there was (and still is a lot) but it is there any way you would know who was who? I'd love to see if one of them was a direct ancestor of mine.




My lineage =  
Morgan Joseph Thornton + Johanna Heffernan
Patrick Joseph Thornton + Mary Bartley
Patrick Thornton + Margaret Rankin

Albert Edward Thornton + Isabelle Annie Allen
Allan Patrick Thornton + Joyce Wilbow

Then my mother.


My half-brother and I plan on having a road trip down your way sometime to see the graves, visit the pub and have a look at anything else of interest.


So, if you could check those photos and/or let me know where else I could find more information about my clan, that would be great.


Thank you in advance for any help you can give.


Regards,  Lee Ann King

Hi Lee,

Sorry, we have not received any information to identify the individuals in those photos as yet.

Regards,  Ian



From: Kellie

Sent: 22 November, 2015 1:14 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Baldwin, Daniel (I110480)


Proposed Change: Baldwin,  Daniel (I110480)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I110480&tree=MP


Description: This guy Daniel was a convict born 1810 Herefordshire not Ireland.


Whoever did the research for his headstone has made a mistake.


You can follow Daniel from his convict records, TOL in Queanbeyan, COF in Queanbeyan to newspaper notices about his cattle being stolen where the brands he states are WL, JL and DB. (William Leach, John Leach and Daniel

Baldwin) It's pretty dot to dot


Convict records state he was married with 2 children.




Regards,  Ian



On 19/11/2015 20:30, Kellie wrote:

Proposed Change: Butt,  Mary Ann (I231602)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I231602&tree=MP


Description: Mary was a convict, she was previously married in England.

NSW BDM marriage to DAVIS confirms this.

She apparently proved her 'innocence' and her original land grant at Gounyan was to recompense for the injustice.


Name:  Mary Lawrence

Birth:  abt 1790

Civil:  4 Aug 1813 - Dorset

Arrival:  28 Jul 1814 - Sydney

Vessel: Broxbornebury




Regards,  Ian



From: Jeanette EGAN
Sent: 15 November, 2015 5:44 PM
Subject: I have a photo of RUPERT BARTLEY. It was in my fathers cousin Lesley(Still alive) photos she sent me a few years back. He is in WW1 uniform

Hi Ian Harvey,


Here is a photo of Rupert BARTLEY given to me from a cousin Lesley (Still Alive) whose mother’s partner was Kenneth Joseph DEEGAN.


Please find attached as well as Rupert Bartley’s NSW Coroners Inquest.


Jeanette EGAN

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: Susan

Sent: 15 November, 2015 5:25 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Patton, Cecil Alexander (I49528)


Proposed Change: Patton,  Cecil Alexander (I49528)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I49528&tree=MP


Description: Cecils father was Alexander Patton 1866-1900, the son of Hamilton Patton & Mary Ann ELLIOTT.

Cecil was born at Bells Creek, the same place where his father was killed.

When Alexander died, the newspaper had that he was the father of 5/6 children.

When Cecil enlisted in WW1, he said that his father was deceased.

I’m pretty sure this information confirms they are father/son.




Regards,  Ian



On 15/11/2015 15:51, Kellie wrote:

Proposed Change: Bartley,  Janet (I108445)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I108445&tree=MP


Description: Known as Jessie married in NZ 1910 to Edward GRAHAM. She died 1934 in QLD


Name: Jessie Graham

Death Date: 15 Aug 1934

Death Place: Queensland

Father's name: Michael Bartley

Mother's name: Jessie Armstrong

Buried GRAHAM JESSIE  58 Years Service Date 16-08-1934 Burial Toowong Cemetery Location 25-47-14 Death Notice only mentions husband, no children mentioned




Regards,  Ian



From: Kellie

Sent: 15 November, 2015 12:37 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Bartley, Jane (I108446)


Proposed Change: Bartley,  Jane (I108446)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I108446&tree=MP


Description: HI,

Jane married 1917 to William Henry DAY in VIC and she died 1954 in VIC although her mothers first name is incorrect the surname is right.



Jane Day

Birth Year: abt 1877

Age: 77

Death Place: Bairnsdale, Victoria

Father's name: Michael Bartley

Mother's name: Elizabeth Armstrong

Registration Year: 1954

Registration Place: Victoria

Registration Number: 22394




Regards,  Ian



From: Kellie  

Sent: 15 November, 2015 11:45 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Bartley, Olive I. (I108452)


Proposed Change: Bartley,  Olive I. (I108452)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I108452&tree=MP


Description: Olive Irene married 1915 to James R EVANS.

Olive died 1968 VIC (reg no 4603) both parents named correctly on her death.




Regards,  Ian



From: Lance Lloyd
Sent: 14 November, 2015 5:23 PM
Subject: Nurse Thomas

Hi Ian,

I am trying to prepare a text with my wife on the Garnock family directed at her father Kenneth Kyle Garnock.


We have a “folklore” account of his birth at Kuringai (or the “The Brick Cottage”). The birth certificate has a Nurse Thomas as the attendee. David Matthew Garnock we believe filled in the government registration. We believe there was a second child (female) who died at child birth. NSW records have no record of the twin born at the same time.


Additionally David Matthew Garnock brother married a Thomas in 1905 which is recorded in your data base. The birth we have interest in occurred in 1907. Is there a family connect; our line of investigation.


Sands Directory do have a “Nurse Thomas” as secretary of “ Bombala Female  Benevolent Society” which I believe is different to the “Bombala Ladies Benevolent Society” where a number of Garnock’s are mentioned.


Do you have any details of  “Nurse Thomas”?


I might add your data base is excellent; I wish we had a reference base in Singleton along the same lines.


Thank you,  Lance Lloyd

Hi Lance,

The only information we have is what is already available on our website.  This email will be included in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers might be able to assist you.

Regards,  Ian



On 12/11/2015 21:09, Kellie wrote:

Proposed Change: Body,  John Elihu (I56387)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I56387&tree=MP


Description: Cause of Death. Effects of a bullet wound to his head, self-inflicted while of unsound mind.




Regards,  Ian



On 11/11/2015 16:56, Kellie wrote:

Proposed Change: Beuke,  Augustus Carol (I69599)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:  http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I69599&tree=MP


Description: Augustus states in his will he was formerly from Halberstadt Prussia and he named his THREE children as Helena Mary, Augustus Frederick William and Ada Mary Jane.




Regards,  Ian



On 11/11/2015 13:28, Kellie Brown wrote:


""Can anyone help resolve this question?  If Alice Maud Gordon did marry William George Booth (MP179732) then who are the family of William George Booth (MP228611)?""


I'm not sure if the newspapers got it wrong or what but from the Wills it appears that William George BOOTH died 1915 did not have a wife or children.


In 1947 Sarah Rebecca BOOTH claimed both her father William's estate and her brother William George's estate. William George's Letter's of Administration state that his father was the legal representative of William (jnr's) Estate but that the father died before he could make claim.


Then both Estates just sat there until 1947 when Sarah Rebecca claimed both.


IF William George was married with children then his wife would have been the legal representative to claim his estate and if she had died or remarried the children of William George would have been the legal claimants.



Thanks Kellie,

We have the question of William George Booth resolved now.

Regards,  Ian



From: Teena
Sent: 10 November, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: person id I16017


Please find attached a photo of Harry Nugent Maunder


Bye for now,  Teena

Thank you,

Regards,  Ian



From: John Burke
Sent: 11 November, 2015 5:16 AM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers Recent Newsletter

Hello Ian


Thank you and David for the great work you do  - I enjoy receiving the newsletter and reading any undated.


I am writing regarding the latest newsletter, where you had an email from Janette Cleaver about William George Booth who married Alice Maude Gordon.


My connection is via Henderson family, you can see on the Pioneers where the Booth family came into my line.


I am attaching :


a copy of a newspaper article from the Bega Standard dated 1st November 1915 advising of the demise of William George Booth.


Electoral roll  information.


a copy of an article from the Pambula Voice dated 6th June 1924 regarding Cleaver- Booth marriage.  Where Robert Booth (William G  brother)  and both girls  referred to in the article are daughters of Robert and Margaret (nee Gordon) Booth.


These were researched by Pat Raymond for me when I was doing my family tree.


The William George  MP No. 228611- I firmly believe was the  son of  William and Eliza (Elizabeth) Booth., and I was under the impression from the article in Bega Standard he was not married.


I do not have a copy of the married certificate of William George and Alice Gordon (never had the need) as from our family records this was never questioned - that William George Booth who married Alice Maude Gordon was the son of John Booth and Mary Anne Prentice from Fermanagh Ireland.


I hope this all is of help


Ian, I have no problem if you want to give my email address to Janette.


thanks again for the great work you do .


Kindest regards,  Ann Murray Burke 

Hi Ann,

Thank you for the information and kind words, we do appreciate the feedback.  The confusion surrounding William George Booth has been resolved and all the correct detail is now in the database.

Regards,  Ian



From: E Lyon

Sent: 10 November, 2015 10:59 PM

Subject: Family History - - John Malcolm of Nimmitybelle c1862

Dear Mr Harvey

I am the Newsletter Editor and Family History Co0Ordinator of the Clan MacCallum/Malcolm Society of Australia and New Zealand which is a small group of approximately 20 members across Australia.


I have seen the Monaro Pioneer Families Index an entry for John Malcolm who as a builder was prominent in constructing many public buildings in the Monaro area.


I would be interested in including his story in our quarterly Newsletter as I try to include MacCallum or Malcolm pioneers who are not so well known in all areas of Australia.  Can I have your permission to use this story in our Newsletter. If you grant permission, do you have any addition information such as where he finally settled and his death as I note that the genealogy was written in 2009. 


Thanking you and looking forward to hearing from you,  Eileen Lyon

Hi Eileen,

Yes you do have our permission to use the information we have but we do ask that you recognise the source of the material in your article.  The genealogical information for John Malcolm and his descendants is contained within our database which is available to search for free.  There is a link to his descendants report, generated from the database information on the same page as his "story".

Regards,  Ian



From: john stitt
Sent: 10 November, 2015 4:48 PM
Subject: Enquiry

Hello Ian

My name is John Stitt and I have an interest in the Monaro region.  My paternal grandfather was born at Nine Mile Creek, Kiandra in 1873,  the youngest of 8 siblings. From Catholic Church records in Cooma 5 were born at Nine Mile Creek.  I understand his father, James, came to Kiandra in the early 1860's and stayed there until he died. I understand he died in a mine accident around 1875.  I have found references to mining leases issued in his name around 1875/6 which were not take up; I assume because of his premature death.  I have not been able to find any record of his death including any Inquest.  I understand his long term stay in the area is a little different as very few of the original miners stayed in Kiandra after the initial couple of years of the Rush in the early 1860's.  There is no reference to Stitt in the index.  Is there anyone in the Group that has done any research on those miners who stayed on after the initial Rush?

Secondly, my maternal Great grandfather, Samuel Ballard is mentioned on the Website.  Is there a contact for the Ballard family?

Thanks and regards, John Stitt

Hi John,

We do have some information on the Stitt family in our database but it is very limited unfortunately.  Perhaps you might like to provide a more complete record of your ancestors so that we can update our records?  We have no contact information for the Ballard Family unfortunately.

Regards,  Ian



From: Bernie Wall

Sent: 10 November, 2015 10:54 AM

Subject: Proposed Change: Wall, Mary (I144715)


Proposed Change: Wall,  Mary (I144715)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I144715&tree=MP


Description: 'lo Ian, Mary was also known as Minnie as per her husband, Norman George Evans death notice (SMH 06/08/1921). Norman was a WW I vet..service no 797 served at Gallipoli with the 17 Bn with the rank of sgt.

Norman and Mary had a daughter, Roma Mary Evans, born Sydney (NSW BDM Birth Reg No 13248/1914).Roma married Henry Empsom 1933 at North Sydney (NSW BDM Marriage Reg No 11787/1933) later married Douglas Arndell Searl  in 1944 at North Sydney (NSW BDM Marriage Reg No 11494/1944). Douglas was a Korean War vet, service no 22432, serving on HMAS Warramunga and Bataan. Douglas was born 31/08/1921 Hobart, Tas and died 08/02/2014, Redhead, NSW


Bernie Wall


Regards,  Ian



On 10/11/2015 10:05, Ros Weston wrote:

Proposed Change: Crawford,  Imelda Evelyn Clorine (I58057)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:  http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I58057&tree=MP


Description: The Marriage of William Hugh Thompson & Imelda Evelyn Crawford took place at Moonbah Catholic Church on February 23rd 1925 and reception followed at the family home Lynwood.


MP site has the date as 23rd December 1925 - could you please correct this. Many thanks Ros Weston

Thanks Ros,

Regards,  Ian



From: Valma Hick  

Sent: 9 November, 2015 6:20 PM

Subject: Tindall and Bain Connections

Hello Ian,

    I have two connections to the latest newsletter

  a.  James Ivan Tindall was my grt uncle a brother of my maternal grandmother Edna Doris Tindall.  Could you please either give me Marilyn Campbell's contact email or  I am very happy for you to supply her with mine - valmahick@dodo.com.au.

I have at least one photo of Uncle Jim in his uniform and may have others in my grandmother's photos we have not sorted out properly yet. 

We would be very happy to help her out.  Unfortunately, an elder brother of Jim's, Gordon Tindall died in Apr 2014 it was he Marilyn probably had contact with previously.


  b. Query by Phyllis Kallquist -  Elizabeth Bain who married Thomas Appleby (convict) was my 2nd great grandmother, my dad Darcy Robert Douch's maternal Appleby/Summerell side of the family - Elizabeth & Thomas' son William and Mary Jane Summerell the parents of his mother Emily Appleby.  After many years of research we now have the correct parents for Henrietta (Clugston); Mary Bain (Headcroft/Adcroft) - first marriage to John Ferguson in Sydney; James Bain; Our Elizabeth (Appleby) (who although born in Cornwall was baptised on 23 May 1823, Greenock, as certified by John Kerr, Esq. JP, Greenock, in Shipping Records) and Jane b. 23 Oct 1832, Greenock. Her mother Jean "aka Jane" died towards the end of September 1840 as Jane was admitted to the Protestant Orphan School on 25 Sep 1840.  I would be happy for you to supply my email to her or for you to give me her contact email.

   I have also now made contact with (Commander, Sen. Presbyterian Chaplain, RAN), Clyde Appleby a descendant of Richard Thomas Appleby the eldest son of Elizabeth (Bain) and Thomas Appleby and he is also unable to tell me why Elizabeth's parents were given as Elizabeth McPherson and James Bain. Also why James' occupation was given as the Reverend James Bain, when we have now found from the death certificate of his eldest daughter Henrietta Reid Clugston (nee Bain) on 11 Jun 1860, Amherst, Victoria, Australia,  his occupation is given as a Cooper.

  I will very shortly send you an updated ged com for descendants of Thomas Appleby & Elizabeth Bain so you can update them on the data-base.


Regards for Now,   Valma Hick (nee Douch)

Hi Valma,

Here are the email addresses you need ....

'Marilyn Campbell'

'Phyllis Kallquist'

Don't forget to send me a copy ... 'I have at least one photo of Uncle Jim in his uniform'

Regards,  Ian



On 09/11/2015 18:55, Warwick wrote:

Proposed Change: Hallam,  Joseph Henry (I27131)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I27131&tree=MP


Description: A Fatal Accident.




The death of Joseph Hallam has robbed Hillston of a well-known and highly respected resident. Last issue we briefly mentioned that deceased had met with an accident by being thrown from his horse at Willandra station.

About ten days ago the unfortunate man had saddled up a horse with the intention of riding to Hillston to attend on his father-in-law (Mr W. S.

Hook) who was then not expected to recover from an illness.

Mounting the animal it commenced bucking, and after a couple of bucks threw the rider into the air. Landing on the pommel of the saddle, Hallam received serious injury, and he was then thrown heavily to the ground.

A motor car was quickly at hand, and the injured man conveyed as speedily as possible to Hillston Hospital Medical examination revealed that the injuries sustained were of a most serious nature, and little hope held out for his recovery. The pelvis having been fractured, the broken bone had perforated the bladder. Most skilful attention by Dr.

Annetts, and careful nursing by the Hospital staff, relieved the suffering that the unfortunate man was so gallantly enduring, and backed by a robust constitution, he lingered on quite conscious until Sunday morning, when he lapsed into a comatose state, and remained in that condition until about 9.45 o'clock that night when death released him from his agony.

Deceased was the eldest son of the late Joseph William and Mrs Hallam, of 'Cattle Hill,' Gunning, and was 56 years of age. About thirty years ago he first came to Hillston at shearing time, and for a number of years was the ' ringer ' at Merrowie and other sheds in the district.

A fine horseman, a splendid worker, and a genuine companion, Joe Hallam was always referred to as a ' good fellow.'

In the nineties he selected land at Green Hills, but like many more of the early settlers, the droughts had a disastrous effect on his holding and he was compelled to abandon it. He then followed the occupation of a teamster, and was a familiar figure on the road between Hillston and Carrathool, the nearest railway terminus in those days. With a team of

42 bullocks, coupled 4 abreast, he has the record of hauling the biggest load of wool 144 bales that has ever been carted into Carrathool railway station in one load. In 1910 he married Dolly, third daughter of Mr and Mrs W. S. Hook, of Hillston, and is survived by a widow and 5 sons, the

eldest being 12 years and the   youngest 4 years.

For a number of years the late Mr Hallam was a trusted employee of Willandra Pastoral Company. Three brothers (Peter, Patrick, and Frank, of Gunning), and two sisters Mrs Clancy (Wyalong) and Miss C Hallam

(Gunning) were in constant attendance on their brother and remained with him to the end. The funeral took place on Monday afternoon, the cortege being a very lengthy one.

The interment took place in the Catholic portion of the local cemetery, Rev. Father Timmins officiating at the graveside. The funeral arrangements were carried out by Mrs A. J. Wilson & Sons The coroner (Mr R W. Stewart) conducted an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the accident at the Court House on Monday morning, and returned the following finding : 'That Joseph Hallam died in Hillston Hospital on 4th May, 1924, from injuries received by being thrown from his horse at Willandra station on the 26th day of April, 1924.'


the Hillston Spectator and Lachlan River Advertiser, Friday 9 May 1924 page 7




Regards,  Ian



From: Warwick

Sent: 9 November, 2015 6:42 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Hallam, Joseph (I27111)


Proposed Change: Hallam,  Joseph (I27111)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I27111&tree=MP


Description: SUDDEN DEATH.-On Wednesday last, as Mr. Joseph Hallam, Sen., of the Fish River, was riding home from Gunning, and when about two miles from his own house, he suddenly fell from his horse and expired. His son, who was with him at the time, was at once at his side, but all earthly assistance was useless, as the vital spark had fled.

The son had him removed home at once, and a magisterial inquiry was held on Thursday by one of the Gunning magistrates, the opinion being that an apoplectic fit was the cause of death.

Mr. Hallam had only left his home that morning in the best of health, and with his son went to Gunning to transact some business. He was an old and respected inhabitant of the Gunning district, having lived on the Fish River for upwards of thirty years. -Yass Argus.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Tuesday 26 February 1867 page 5




Regards,  Ian



From: Warwick

Sent: 9 November, 2015 6:09 PM

Subject: Proposed Change: Johnson, Allan G. M. (I27344)


Proposed Change: Johnson,  Allan G. M. (I27344)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I27344&tree=MP


Description: Here is an amusing divorce version for the time:




So Hubby Secured a Divorce and Rose Murrell




'HOW you gonna keep 'em down on the farm?' IT'S an old problem and they don't seem to be able to solve it. Songs have been written around the subject, and politicians have spoken in their confiding way of the beauties to be derived from a life on the land. BUT often only the cows and the chickens appear to appreciate the real pleasure of an existence where potato-studded fields and ricketty-wired fences are all that intrude upon the domestic peacefulness of man's domain. TAKE Thelma Johnson, for instance.

THELMA didn't appear to get much kick out of living with her husband, Allan George Murray Johnson, on his little farmlet, 'Edgerton,' Yass. And the method the lady adopted to show how playing the part of the farmer's wife palled upon her formed the basis of a strange little human-life drama that was unfolded in Mr. Justice Pike's Divorce Court one day during the week.

ALLAN GEORGE was actually the only principal to appear upon the stage. But there were others behind the scenes. There was Thelma, who has gone out of Allan George's life; and there was a Queensland miss, Rose Murrell, who stepped into it to take Thelma's place. And running throughout the whole piece was a compelling love motif that sent Allan George along seeking his freedom from one that he might pursue happiness with the other. Allan's 'Mixed' Farm He 20, and one year younger than she, Allan Geogre and Thelma whose name was then Howard were married at St. Paul's Church, Nyngan, on April 28, 1923, according to the rites of the Church of England. Thelma at the time lived at Bourke and her hubby belonged to Gunning. To the latter's property they went following the ceremony. Allan had a crown lease of land on which he conducted a mixed farm, but evidently contentment for Thelma was one thing that couldn't be cultivated successfully. Early in December, 1926, came the parting. Thelma said that she wanted to visit her mother at Nyngan and off she went. Later her husband saw her there and she informed him that she was working as a barmaid and had no intention of going back to Yass.

Life on a farm? No, sir! 'A Wowser,' She Said 'That farm's no good to me,' Thelma said to the despondent Allan George. She also said some other things that hurt. She told him that he wasn't any good to her or any other woman because he was a wowser who wouldn't bet on a race horse or smoke a cigarette.

That was in January, 1927 and Thelma gave Allan George to under stand that she absolutely wouldn't return to the farm. So a while later, in June, the deterred hubby set out for Queensland, where, at Toowoomba, he met the OTHER woman. Johnson had known Rose Murrell and her family previously. And they renewed acquaintance as friends in ad versity. Rose confided her troubles In Allan George. Her family was destitute, her father was, nobody knew where and she herself was in trouble.

Goal of Happiness Then Allan George related his own circumstances. He told her of the hard luck that had come into his life, but mentioned that he had a good home and a little daughter and he informed Rose that she would be welcome and a great help if she would return with him to look after the house and watch over the girl.  And so Rose came. The lot of housekeeping fell to her, and she handled her duties admirably. Then, some 12 or 15 months after her arrival, the relations between them changed. Rose became something more than just housekeeper for a farmer master, and Allan George saw himself headed for the goal of happier days. He and Rose lived together as man and wife and in February, 1930, came a first baby. There was another onethe second stranger came along on November 30 this year. 'I'd Marry Her Tomorrow' That was the tale as told by Allan George, corroborated by his brother. Arthur Thomas Johnson, with regard to Thelma's departure from home. 'Are you willing and anxious' to marry Miss Murrell if the court sets you free?' asked Mr. Amsberg, who, instructed by Mr. W. Parker, appeared to help petitioner present his case. 'I'd like to be able to marry her tomorrow,' declared Allan George fervently. Mr. Justice Pike remarked that he might reasonably exercise his discretion in favor of the husband and Mr. Amsberg asked whether the period for the return of the decree nisi might not be shortened. 'Johnson has presented a straight forward case,' he pleaded, 'and there is no possible hope of a reconciliation be tween him and his wife. The petitioner Is extremely anxious to marry the woman with whom he has been living.' His Honor, however, said that the Crown must be granted the usual time in which to make any inquiries It might deem fit and he then granted the husband a decree nisi returnable in six months. In addition the latter was given the custody of the daughter seven-years-old Eileen Dawn Johnson.

Truth, Sunday 13 December 1931 page 16



Decrees nisi were declared absolute in the suits of Allan George Murray Johnson v Thelma Johnson.

The Sydney Morning Herald, Wednesday 22 June 1932




Regards,  Ian



On 09/11/2015 17:51, Susan wrote:

Proposed Change: Hart,  William James (I117765)

Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers

Link:   http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I117765&tree=MP


Description: William died 1964 (13390/1964) in Maitland.




Regards,  Ian



From: Tanyabill
Sent: 9 November, 2015 10:56 AM
Subject: Mary/Ann Price (Minstrel, 1812)

Dear Ian,

I did a cursory check of William Haigh (1792-1833, General Hewitt, 1814) prompted by the latest newsletter. The current presentation is somewhat different to my understanding of his situation in relation to his mysterious wife Mary/Maryann/Ann Price (Minstrel, 1812). The latter seems to be the only likely first partner of William Haigh when he resided in Sydney. My understanding is that this ‘Ann Price/Haigh’ (probably never formally married) was born about 1790 (the website now says 1793) and died July, 1832 (the website now says 1829) having borne nine children (the website now shows only four). Moreover, the website in showing her death date as 1829 continues to show her last son (John Patrick) as having been born in 1830!! So William Haigh’s partner’s dubious existence is now just a bit more confused. Can you advise me how Price’s (new) birth and death dates were arrived at and why only four children are recorded, one having been born well after the mother’s presumed death?

Regards and compliments on the maintenance of a great site!

Bill Streat.

Hi Bill,

The family of William Haigh and Mary Ann Price is not one I have looked at but I have added what I can to hopefully make it correct.  Please let me know if there are any errors that need to be rectified.

Regards,  Ian

Hello again, Ian: Yes, the summary now looks more like my understanding of the questionable Mary (Ann) Price. May I ask where you sourced the rectifying changes you made and who might have entered the previous information, including that Mary (Ann) had only four children? This person might have valuable insights. If the latter is too difficult don’t bother too much.

Regards,  Bill Streat.

Hi Bill,

I found the information on Ancestry.com.

I don't know who supplied the previous information.

Sometimes there are families in the database like this situation where one or more children might be associated with the region but the parents are not so the family could be incomplete unless we receive the necessary detail to add to the records.

Regards,  Ian



From: George Kimpton

Sent: 9 November, 2015 10:50 AM

Subject: Kimpton records

Dear Ian is it possible to add info re later generations such as my family etc. This is the first time I have really dug into the site especially re convict ancestors, Jessop. It is amazing just how much there is hidden away.

Apparently granddad was quite a courageous chap. He left England where he worked as a farm labourer in late teens and came to a place that was hard to get to then made a life for himself. I remember a few things that my dad told me and he was quite a character. For instance living around 20 miles inland on the Deua  River he would walk into town to attend his Mason meetings and then back home. Who would do that these days.

George Kimpton

Hi George,

Just send any additional/correctional information/images to me and I will update the database. Glad to hear you have now discovered some of the "hidden" treasures in the database.

Regards,  Ian



From: Donna Gibbs
Sent: 2015-11-09 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: Monaro Pioneers Newsletter

Thanks, David. The links to Ian's name on the newsletter does not seem to be working this morning. I have looked up my ancestor Daniel Connolley in the past but he seems to have disappeared from the alphabetical list. I'm wondering if I am doing something wrong! Sorry to trouble you.

Donna Gibbs

Hi Donna,

We do not have a Daniel Connolley in our database?  Can you give me more information please?

Regards,  Ian

Dear Ian

I'm not sure how to be helpful here. I'll attach some documents I have for Daniel Connolley and I'' also attach my written version of his history. This may just be a nuisance for you and if so apologies.  I think you do the most amazing work on the site and appreciate it greatly.

With thanks,  Donna Gibbs

Hi Donna,

Sorry, I should have checked the spelling variations.  We do have Daniel Connolly in our database and now on the Pioneers Index.  You can check the information we have at …  http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I62766&tree=MP

Regards,  Ian



From: lesleyjarm
Sent: 8 November, 2015 6:13 PM
Subject: Leslie family

Dear Ian,
My grandmother was Alma may Leslie formerly alma black. I believe I am a member of the Leslie family which was connected to the Davidson family of Eden. I am interested in knowing more about this side of the family as histories and numbers of relatives on this side have always been a bit thin on the ground. You will also note that I have the Leslie name being Alma's first grandchild. I have a sister who is also keen to find out more and fill in the blanks. My husband and I are planning a trip down to Eden to visit friends late 2015/early 2016.
I live in Bathurst new and my sister in Sydney.
I work full time but would be thrilled to hear from you. Of course a return email would also be welcome. Look formed to hearing from you.
Kind regards,  Lesley Armstrong née Black
Hi Lesley,

We do have information on both the Davidson and Leslie families in our database which you can search and investigate by using the link on our website ….  www.monaropioneers.com

Regards,  Ian



From: junemphillips
Sent: 2015-11-01 2:39 AM
Subject: Index pioneers


Ian, I am interested in your pioneer index. I noticed William Bowden has been removed from your index for being a pioneer of Yass, i was sure he was there last time I looked. That is a shame William came to Yass in the 1880's and spent 50 years in the area and his wife out lived him. As owners of Cooma Cottage between 1910 and 1925 William was a keen land owner and contributed to the community. In fact in the early 1900's he had multiple properties in Yass and O'Conneltown. So I am surprised he was removed, as  family members remaining in the area and are still there.


So the question has been provoked by this . What is the criteria for being a pioneer of Yass. Some say it was only for  the sqauters who took over land and ran' sheep , others say employment status,  others say length of time living in the area , how many generations . I guess i will ask I would like to know what is the criteria and why was William removed.   

Regards june 

Hi June,

The criteria for inclusion on the Pioneers index is simple, the Individual(s) must have an established connection with the region before 1860.  Arriving in the 1880's hardly constitutes a pioneer of the area.  The family of William Ba(o)wden and Sophia Gesina Johanna nee Edwards nee Wark are included in our database.  William Bowden has never been included on our Pioneers Index.  No one has been removed there from in all the years I have been maintaining the MP website.

Regards,  Ian

Thank you, I just saw others in the list I was looking at online, that were in their 1880's when I looked up your index on the pioneers, I thought the dates represented the arrival dates.  So I thought it worthwhile to ask the question.   The name Bawden/Bowden  was not there on that index,  and I had looked up this before but maybe I had to sign in to look at the complete data base . I gather there is a separate data base I must have just been in the pioneers listing. 


We are just in the process of publishing a C D on the Wark family  which includes lots on that Bowden family. If you have any queries on the family you can direct them to me. We will only be doing one print run so if you know any one who might like to get one they need to be quick.  The only cost of the CD is the recovery of printing and postage costs being $12 per disc. This book will be about 2000 pages when finalised , it goes to print in late November and half are gone already. I mention this because think there were errors in your data on the Warks a few dates wrong,  last time I looked. In December I can go through them with you if you wish so you can make the corrections. Regards June 

A  Wark Through Time 

Is a history of the WARK family. The book stretches across Australia and into Germany and Amsterdam. The book has had many contributors, and they have all put their mark on this family history and was compiled over a number of years.  Every effort has been made to ensure the accuracy of the data used and we have made every effort to source primary sources, all of which makes this, a must have book.  To order your copy/copies all you need to do is fill out the pro-forma below and deposit your payment into the account below and send the form back to me.  We need these details  to confirm the order with  the printer.  There will be limited copies printed in excess of those ordered in this run. The book is on CD and is presented with a professional face printed cover, with carefully presented memoirs’ of our family’s history. The presentation includes artwork designed by a renowned South Australian Artist and Family member Marnie Wark. Total pages will end up in the thousands far too many pages for a hard copy book. The CD will come through the mail in a CD holder case. The CD itself will be of high quality and will be set as a read only CD.  There is a postage and printing cost associated with the disc, and the amount payable to cover this cost will be $12 Australian dollars, per/each CD ordered, this covers the cost of the actual disc, postage and handling charges, as well as the set up and printing costs charged by the printer.  There is no further cost or reimbursements payable as promised, this fee does not represent the thousands of dollars collectivily spent on, paid research, and the purchase of records, these costs have been absorbed by the co writters. This book will make a great Christmas present and we need the numbers to maintain this cost low.it comes in a read only format and is copy write endorsed. 


 A WARK through time – The Wark Family History

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Bank BSB: 704942   Account number:  37247 

Name of the account:  June Phillips at Lutheran Laymans League  

Delivery will be made early mid-December 2015. 

Please Order your books ASAP we will place the order 7th November 15

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 Whilst every effort has been made to filter data and find sources we cannot take responsibility for the overall content nor the printing of the said disc. We can only make a commitment to you, that we will do everything in our power to avoid any mishaps or sub-standard workmanships.

Regards June Phillips –

Hi June,

Thanks,  If you can add to or correct any of the information we have we would be very grateful.

We can add the details of your upcoming CD to our next newsletter if that helps.

Regards,  Ian



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