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Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
2015
Number 11
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
MONARO PIONEERS now on Facebook
The
Monaro Pioneers website now has its own Facebook page which is accessible at the
following URL:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/893648944008345/
CURRENT CORRESPONDENCE:
SHERD
On 06/12/2015 09:15, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Alicia (I151021)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I151021&tree=MP
Description: Bungendore.
It is with the deepest regret that I refer to the death of Mrs Sherd, sen, which
took place on Tuesday last. After her recent operation in the Queanbeyan
hospital, the deceased lady improved slightly for a time, but gradually faded
away. She was carefully, tenderly, and lovingly nursed by her affectionate
daughters till the last. Mrs Sherd has resided in the district for nearly 40
years, and was always well respected. Her remains were interred in the, R C.
cemetery on Wednesday.
Queanbeyan Age, Wednesday 22 April 1896 page 2
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
SHERD
On 06/12/2015 09:14, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Sherd, William Josiah (I151020)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I151020&tree=MP
Description: OBITUARY.-We regret to report the death on Friday night of the
oldest resident of this district, Mr. William Sherd senior. It was totally
unexpected, as he was quite hale and hearty during the day. He slept in a room
by himself, and on his not coming to breakfast on Saturday morning, his daughter
sent a boy to call him. On opening the door of the room he saw the deceased
lying dead on the floor. The police were communicated with. It it stated that
Mr. Sherd was subject to fits, and it is supposed that during one of these
attacks be fell out of bed and was smothered. The remains were interred in the
Church of England cemetery on Monday. A large concourse of people followed the
hearse. Mr.
C. Wilshire (in the absence of Rev. J. Scott) officiated at the grave.
Goulburn Herald, Wednesday 9 November 1898 page 4
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
RICHARDS
From: Patricia McGufficke
Sent: 6 December, 2015 4:24 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Richards, Caroline Augusta (I125250)
Proposed Change: Richards, Caroline Augusta (I125250)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I125250&tree=MP
Description: Caroline was buried 4 Aug 1871 on Candelo Reserve, Candelo.
Caroline was 35 years of age when she died at Candelo from an ulcer on her back
caused by a burn when living at Pioneer's Forest which is just outside Candelo
on the way to Bemboka from "The Common Hill" to Slaters Lane. Roger Thomas
Kirby, Roman Catholic Layman, officated at the funeral. Witnesses were
Roger Kirby and Caroline's husband, James Twigg
Patricia McGufficke
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
KEARNEY
From: Mary
Sent: 5 December, 2015 4:48 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Kearney, Margaret (I13336)
Proposed Change: Kearney, Margaret (I13336)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I13336&tree=MP
Description: Hi, I am a direct lineal descendant via Madge (Bales) McDonald.
I am particularly interested in tracing my maternal line. Can you please let me
know the source for Margaret's parents, and particularly her mother, or put me
in touch with the contributor of this information regards Mary Gorman
Hi Mary,
The information we have on Margaret Kearney is as supplied to us and we have no
contact information unfortunately.
Regards, Ian
McCOY
On 05/12/2015 16:02, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: McCoy, Anne (I2226)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I2226&tree=MP
Description: Birthday Social.
(Contributed.)
A celebration that might be of interest to many old friends and residents of the
Bombala district was held at the home of Mr .and Mrs. Tim Gleeson, Crow's Nest,
Qld., on Sunday, 4th February. About 30 relatives and friends, including sons,
daughters, grand and great-grand children attended, and enjoyed a most sumptuous
dinner, given in honor of Mrs. McNee on her 90th birth day, which great age
represents to those near and dear to her a proud record, not only for the number
of years but for her wonderfully preserved health and happiness, as both
mentally and bodily she enjoys marvellous health.
Mrs. McNee was born at Cathcart, Monaro, in the year 1844, where her early life
was spent. She married the late Hugh McNee, who was also a native of the Bombala
district, and where their family were reared and educated. About 26 years ago
the late Mr. Hugh and Mrs. McNee went to Queensland, making their home at Crow's
Nest, at which place Mr. McNee passed away about 20 years ago. Many and varied
have been the experiences of this lady during her 90 years. She can relate with
accuracy numerous entertaining episodes, both of progress and failure, and of
prosperity and depression through which, she has passed. When quite a child, her
parents, the late Mr .and Mrs. P. McCoy, who ranked amongst the first of the old
pioneers of Bombala and Eden districts, with their young family, went to the
Ovens and Bendigo diggings. As a contrast to present-day fortune hunters, they
had only the most primitive means of transport. Mrs. McNee, although only about
8 years of age at that time, recollects vividly the long wearisome journey in a
bullock dray, through flooded creeks and rivers, and over miles and miles of
boggy tracks, as well as enduring numerous other hard ships.
However, to see her to-day, one would never presume that her life had been other
than a bed of roses. Apart from the little evening siesta, this wonderful old
pioneer is never idle. A beautiful flower and vegetable garden is her constant
hobby, and whilst resting from the gardening, knitting and crochet work keep her
hands and mind occupied.
That, with the deep interest and sympathy; she feels for the welfare of her many
friends, and the vicissitudes and great wonders of the present day world, make
her at 90 years the happy, light-hearted and contented lady she certainly is.
One small item relative to the day's event worthy of mention was the beautiful
2-tier birthday cake, carrying 90 candles, made and decorated by Mrs. Gleeson,
and cut at the afternoon tea. Amongst those present were Mr. and Mrs. Robert
Thomas, also formerly of Monaro. Mrs. McNee was the recipient of numerous
presents, also telegrams, phone messages, and letters of congratulation from
friends in N.S.W. and locally.
The Bombala Times, Friday 23 February 1934 page 2
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
FENSOM
From: Rebecca Anderson
Sent: 3 December, 2015 11:19 PM
Subject: Fensom, William Person ID I194597
Dear Ian
Firstly I want to congratulate you on a wonderful resource. I came across it
just recently when doing a basic web search on my maternal grandmother's maiden
name which was Fensom.
She was born in Tarago to William Fensom and Nellie O'Mallie and was the eldest
of 12 children (Nellie had five to William and seven to his brother Charlie
after Williams very early death).
My great aunt Kay Fensom was a keen researcher of our family history and put
together a wonderful book detailing the family history back to English born
convict Job Fensom which I will try and track down for you if you are interested
as it will provide the information on William, Nellie and Charlie's offspring if
you are interested.
Anyway thank you again for this wonderful resource and let me know if you would
be interested in the book.
Kind regards, Rebecca Anderson
Thank you, Any additional information you can provide would be much
appreciated.
Regards, Ian
BASSINGTHWAIGHTE
On 03/12/2015 07:50, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Bassingthwaighte, Archibald Ernest (I186469)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I186469&tree=MP
Description: GRAZIER SUICIDES
SHOT WITH PEA-RIFLE
The townspeople were shocked on Wednesday morning when the news became known
that Mr. Archie E. Bassingthwaighte, of 'Douro,' Larbert, had been found
unconscious at his home with a pea-rifle, alongside him.
Apparently the bullet had embedded itself in his brain, as there were no marks
of its exit. He had evidently rested his forehead on the muzzle of the rifle and
pulled the trigger. He never recovered consciousness.
The deceased gentleman, who was 55 years of age, was a son of the late Mr.
William Bassingthwaighte, one of the earliest settlers in this district. He was
born at the homestead on which he resided at the time of his death. His wife
died some eight months ago after an illness extending over four years, and this,
together with financial worries, it is thought temporarily unhinged his mind and
caused him to weary of earthly troubles.
The deceased had been a member of the Shire Council for some years, as one, of
the representatives of A Riding. He took a deep interest in the work of the
Council, and, it was a very rare occurrence that his seat at the Council table
was vacant. He was also prominently identified with the P. and A. Society, both
as a committeeman, exhibitor and steward, and was one of the most willing
workers on the whole staff. The deceased was highly esteemed amongst all
sections of the community, to whom the news of his sad end came as a great
shock. He leaves no family. The funeral takes place at Larbert to-day. The
deceased leaves two brothers (Messrs. H. A. Bassingthwaighte, of Brushy Hill,
and A. R. Bassingthwaighte, of Queanbeyan) and three sisters (Mesdames Smith, of
Sydney, T. McDowell, of Durran Durra, and H. J. Stephens, of Manar).
The Braidwood Dispatch and Mining Journal , Friday 29 August 1930 page 2
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROBINSON
On 01/12/2015 23:21, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Robinson, Lily (I102481)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I102481&tree=MP
Description: Born: 19 January 1898
Married: 5 September 1917, Arthur Drossou, Obost, Vic: VIC BDM 5138/1917
Divorced: 14 June 1935
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic) Saturday 15 June 1935 Page 19
DECREES IN DIVORCE
Decrees nisi in divorce were granted by Mr. Justice Martin in the First Civil
Court yesterday as follow -
Lily Drosson aged 37 years, Orbost, from Arthur Drosson, aged 41 years,
fruiterer and confectioner, on the ground of misconduct. The parties were
married nt Warragul on September 5, 1917.
Died: 1962, Orbost, Vic: VIC BDM 24592/1962
Arthur Drossou
Born: 1894, Gallipol, Turkey
Married 2: Linda Mary CROSS, Orbost, Vic: VIC BDM 16270/1940 under the surname
DROSSOU
Naturalised: 10 October 1924
Died: 1975, Orbost, Vic: VIC BDM 26001/1975
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROBINSON
On 01/12/2015 17:49, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Robinson, Alfred Cecil (I11080)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I11080&tree=MP
Description: Died: 4 August 1937 at Craigie, NSW
Funeral: 6 August 1937 St Philip's Church, Delegate
Buried: 6 August 1937, Delegate Cemetery, CofE Section
The Bombala Times (NSW) Friday 6 August 1937 Page 1
DEATHS
Mr. Alfred Cecil Robinson, aged 34, and son of Mr. Harry Robinson, died at
Craigie yesterday after a long illness.
Delegate Argus (NSW) Thursday 12 August 1937 Page 2
Obituary
Mr. Cecil Robinson
Mr. Cecil Robinson, who died on Wednesday night of last week, was the eldest son
of Mr. H. Robinson, of Craigie, and the late Mrs. Robinson.
Most of his life had been spent in this district.
He was 34 years of age. His health had not been good for some time. He is
survived by his widow and one child. The funeral took place on Friday afternoon
last to the Church of England portion of the Delegate Cemetery, service being
first held in St. Philip's Church. The Rev. T. R. Fleming officiated at the
Church and the grave.
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
THOMAS
From:
Grant Beed
Sent: 29 November, 2015 10:47 PM
Subject: Thomas Family Lobbs Hole
Hi Ian
I found you details on the Monaro Pioneers website. I've really enjoyed
reading about my forebears on it. I was wondering if you may know of any
interactions between the aboriginal populations of the Kiandra area and the
Thomas family in the late 1800's and early 1900's. Also my grandfather is
listed on my fathers birth certificate as Henry John Beed also known as Albert E
Elphick. Do you know what this could mean? My father was born in
1936 and my grandfather around 1907. My grandfather worked on the snowy mountain
scheme after WWII. I appreciate you may be a busy man but any information
would be fantastic.
Kind Regards, Grant Beed
Hi Grant,
All the information we have is available on our website. I have no
knowledge of any interaction between the local indigenous population and any
settler families in the Kiandra area. Alias names were
commonly used to avoid family or legal responsibilities. Perhaps
with more detail provided I could comment further.
Regards, Ian
WHITTAKER
On 29/11/2015 22:36, warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Whittaker, Thomas (I249735)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I249735&tree=MP
Description: On the Shoalhaven, the other day, the wife of a miner named George
Lester [Thomas Whittaker] went to call him for dinner, when she found him
smothered by the fall of the roof of a drive.
The Armidale Express and New England General Advertiser, Saturday 27 December
1873
warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WHITTAKER
On 29/11/2015 22:17, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Whittaker, Thomas (I249735)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I249735&tree=MP
Description: It appears that the fatal accident recently on the Shoalhaven
occurred to Thomas Whittaker, and not George Lester, the latter being a mate of
Whittaker's.
The Armidale Express and New England General Advertiser Saturday 3 January 1874
And what do best mates do, marry the widow.
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROBINSON
On 28/11/2015 22:51, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Robinson, Charles Rupert (I348101)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I348101&tree=MP
Description: Married GRACE MAUDE HOGAN, 1945, Auburn, NSW. NSW BDM
13734/1945 Died 21 August 1976 at home 8 Avisford St, Fairfield, NSW
RYERSON INDEX
ROBINSON Charles Rupert Death notice 21AUG1976 Death 55 late of
Fairfield Sydney Morning Herald 23AUG1976
The Sydney Morning Herald Monday August 23, 1976 Page 20
DEATHS
ROBINSON, Charles Rupert.- August 21, 1976, at his residence, late of Fairfield,
devoted husband of the late Grace Maude Robinson, dearly loved father of Richard
and Garry, aged 55 years.
Rest in peace.
Children:
1. Richard Charles ROBINSON
2. Garry Raymond ROBINSON
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BRINDLE
On 28/11/2015 21:17,
roselyn@mmnet.com.au wrote:
Hello
My name is Roselyn Hoskin and my Great Grandfather was Walter Ernest Bridle.
I would like you to make an amendment to his family page on Monaro Pioneers
please.
I have received his death certificate from BDM (1948/21697) and it states that
the children at his death were aged at:
Walter 49, John 45, Edith 44, Harold 40, Daisy 38, Minnie 36, Nellie 34, Irene
32 (my grandmother), Percy 30, Valentine 28, and Daphne 27. As you can see
Ida had passed away and you have not added Daphne to the family tree.
Ida was still alive when my grandmother (Irene Amy Bridle) was born as on my
grandmothers birth certificate from BDM (37493/1915), it states
Walter 16, Ida 14, John 13, Edith 11, Harold 8, Daisy 6, Minnie 3 and Nellie 1.
Irene Amy Bridle (my grandmother) was born on the 25th of August 1915 in
Adelong. She died on the 19th of December 1986 at Wodonga. She
Married Charles Hampstead from Tumut in 1936. They had 7 children:
Terrence Charles born 1937
Cynthia Dawn born 1939
June Carole born 1940
Margaret Joan born 1944 (my mother)
Raymond John born 1947
Barbara Jean born 1948
Peter Wayne born 1957
Thanks so much, Ros
Thank you Ros,
Regards, Ian
O’HARE
On 27/11/2015 14:35, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: O'Hare, Violet Marion (I104381)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I104381&tree=MP
Description: Violets death notice names 4 children.
Thora, Lillian, George and Neville.
George Edward BRADBURY enlisted WW2 and states his dob as 1920 VIC but this
cannot be found. I think he may have been born 1921/1922 and lied about his age
to enlist.
George died 1983 in ACT and his parents are named as George BRADBURY and Violet.
The only ER's Violet shows up on is one in 1943 NSW living alone and then from
1963 till her death in ACT again alone. It appears she moved to ACT to be
near George as he was there first, making me think George's family would have
had a better idea of the "fathers name" as his family would have been closer to
and known Violet better.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BOURKE
On 27/11/2015 10:47, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Bourke, Hugh (I47778)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I47778&tree=MP
Description: This is the same man as Hugh BURKE I287283
married as BURKE not BOURKE and son born 1874 as BURKE.
It looks like Hugh died as BOUKE in Bega 1923.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
GARDNER
From: Kellie
Sent: 25 November, 2015 9:40 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Gardner, Rebecca (I122209)
Proposed Change: Gardner, Rebecca (I122209)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I122209&tree=MP
Description: YES found it, she was charged with bigamy
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/110072200?searchTerm=bigamy
queanbeyan&searchLimits=
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
GARDNER
From: Kellie
Sent: 25 November, 2015 9:27 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Gardner, Rebecca (I122209)
Proposed Change: Gardner, Rebecca (I122209)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I122209&tree=MP
Description: Rebecca isn't innocent either...the same report 1883 gives hints to
her 'new life' as Mrs ROBERTSON wife of John
children
20860/1878 ROBERTSON JOHN HENRY JOHN REBECCA QUEANBEYAN
22175/1879 ROBERTSON MONTAGUE W JOHN REBECCA QUEANBEYAN
26845/1882 ROBERTSON HERBERT WILLIAM JOHN REBECCA QUEANBEYAN
31684/1885 ROBERTSON WALTER R JOHN REBECCA QUEANBEYAN
34468/1888 ROBERTSON EMILY E JOHN REBECCA QUEANBEYAN
33165/1889 ROBERTSON HAROLD W JOHN REBECCA QUEANBEYAN
29938/1892 ROBERTSON VERNA J JOHN REBECCA QUEANBEYAN
Seems she used an alias to marry (WATSON was her grandfathers surname)
6814/1883 ROBERTSON JOHN WATSON REBECCA QUEANBEYAN
Death Notice to confirm
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/17049151?searchTerm=Rebecca
robertson&searchLimits=
This confirms she had atleast 11 children
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/138960248?searchTerm=Rebecca
robertson&searchLimits=l-decade=193|||l-year=1934
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
FORRESTER
From: Kellie
Sent: 25 November, 2015 9:18 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Forrester, George James (I124988)
Proposed Change: Forrester, George James (I124988)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I124988&tree=MP
Description: George wasn't dead before 1883 as he was arrested in September
1883 for kidnapping his daughter Isabella
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/123469908?searchTerm=bigamy
queanbeyan&searchLimits=
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
FORRESTER
From: Kellie
Sent: 25 November, 2015 8:51 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Forrester, George James (I124988)
Proposed Change: Forrester, George James (I124988)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I124988&tree=MP
Description: Charged with bigamy 1875 after he married Sarah MURPHY as James E
FORRESTER.
3934/1874 FORRESTER JAMES E MURPHY SARAH TAMWORTH
Police/Gaol records state George was born USA 1844 and arrived in Australia
1858 on "Maud Ellen"
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ARMFIELD
From:
Kellie Brown
Sent: 24 November, 2015 10:33 AM
Subject: Re: Proposed Change: Armfield, Edward George (I145123)
LOL,
I'm creating a database of people from the Monaro areas who were charged with
Bigamy. I thought there would only be a couple listed on the MP site so was
going to send them in but there is actually quite a few so will just provide the
database when I'm finished.
Many times they appear to be two different people and are listed twice in
databases, once each for each different family, when in fact they are just one
person committing bigamy. Some were having children with both spouses so there
are extra children to that family line. Sometimes the extra marriage and
children are missed as usually the 2nd bigamous marriage is NULLED and removed
from the marriage index and other times because one of the marriages will be in
a different area, not a Monaro area, so it is never connected to the Monaro.
Example.
MP has Robert RUSSELL 212682 married to Mildred Frances HIGGS.
This was actually his 2nd (and bigamous) marriage.
Robert RUSSELL's real name was Frederick John TRIGG was married 31/10/1914 to
Mary Agnes Blanch McCormack and they had
2 children.
Which is why a correct birth and death cannot be found for him as Robert
RUSSELL. It also means that the RUSSELL offspring are not biologically RUSSELL
but in fact TRIGG.
Frederick John TRIGG was born 1890 VIC to Frederick TRIGG and Mary Anne FULTON.
He is listed as a carpenter on 1913 Geelong Elect Rolls, living with his
parents.
He married 1914 to McCormack then changes his name to RUSSELL and bigamously
remarried in 1918 to HIGGS.
Kellie
On
23/11/2015 17:13, Kellie wrote:
Proposed
Change: Armfield, Edward George (I145123)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I145123&tree=MP
Description: Another charged with bigamy. Married under the name Ernest
16371/1912 ARMFIELD ERNEST STEWART MARY WOLLONGONG
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/135949335?searchTerm=bigamy
goulburn&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales
Kellie
There
is a recurring theme here?
Ian
LEARY
From: Michelle
Sent: 24 November, 2015 10:08 AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Leary, Eleanor (I24663)
Proposed Change: Leary, Eleanor (I24663)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I24663&tree=MP
Description: Hi Ian,
Eleanor Leary may have had her name transcribed incorrectly in the NSW BDM
database or it was a second name, as she was more commonly known as Florence
Leary.
She passed away as Florence Glanville (after a 2nd marriage) and was referred to
as Florence in many newspaper articles/ family notices.
Her marriage to Oswald Arthur Storrier in 1912 produced at least 6 children.
1.Arthur James 09.09.1913- 19.01.1992 Crookwell 2.Margaret Mary May 1914-
07.01.1993 Crookwell 3.Leo John 24.07.1915- 06.07.1997 Crookwell 4.Vincent
Oswald 1917- 1997 Crookwell 5.Clare Monica 1919- 09.06.2001 6. Dorothy Catherine
c 1923- 28 June 2009 Crookwell.
Oswald Arthur Storrier died 19.04.1927 Crookwell Florence remarried in 1930 At
Forbes to Thomas Patrick Glanville. Florence passed away 04.04.1971 Crookwell
and Thomas passed away in 1958 at Crookwell.
Regards Michelle
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WAY
From:
Patricia McGafficke
Sent: 23 November, 2015 6:35 PM
Subject: Photograph of James Lawrence Way - WWI
Hello Ian,
My head is spinning after a day spent trying to obtain information about a
photograph of the above found in the Bombala High School publication, The
Bombala Battlers, which contains information on the WWI men named on the
Bombala War Memorial.
James Lawrence Way (known as James Lindsay Way to his family), was my
grand-uncle. Until last week when we received a copy of the book, we had
not seen a photograph of James, although my mother, now aged 99, can remember
seeing a photograph of James sprawled on the ground in front of a group of
soldiers. Sadly, any photographs the family had were destroyed when my
great-aunt died in the 1950’s. You can imagine our excitement when we saw his
photograph!!
I contacted Bombala High School who sent me a very clear copy of the photograph.
They referred me to Sharon O’Hagan, and she in turn told me she found the
photograph on the Monaro Pioneers website. I also spent some time looking at
photos on the Delegate RSL website today, and in one photo, there are
about 16 photos on the wall at the back of the Delegate School of Arts Hall with
one that is possibly that of James, in that it is an oval similar to his photo.
I have been a member of, and contributor to, the Monaro site for years, and
because “we”, his closest existing family had not been able to source a photo,
had not re-visited his entry on the site for some time. What a lesson to
learn!!! Revisit information frequently!!
My question now to you is, do you know who submitted the photo to the site?
Sorry to take up so much of your valuable time, but hoping you can be of help.
Yours sincerely, Patricia (Pat) McGufficke, Rockhampton, Qld.
Hi Patricia,
The Photo was originally in the All Australia Memorial - NSW book - a
publication that originated from just after the war. I will forward your
email to the lady who so generously provided the image and she can decide if she
wishes to remain anonymous or contact you direct.
Regards, Ian
SHIEL
On 23/11/2015 17:06, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Shiel, William George (I357620)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I357620&tree=MP
Description: Charged with bigamy
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/99212335?searchTerm=bigamy
goulburn&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BRODIE/BROADY
On 22/11/2015 18:58, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Elizabeth (I382328)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I382328&tree=MP
Description: Elizabeth was a convict listed as BRODIE/BROADY
Name: Elizabeth Brodie
Age: 23
Date of Conviction: 26 Apr 1817
Place of Conviction: Glasgow
Estimated birth year: abt 1794
Vessel: Friendship
Port of Arrival: Sydney
Date of Arrival: 14 Jan 1818
She married James COTTINGTON/CODDINGTON 20 July 1818 Hawkesbury NSW.
3 children 1) John as we have, 2)Elizabeth b1829 d1829 and 3) Hannah
1829
James died 1842 and Elizabeth remarried 18 April 1844 St Saviour, Argyle, NSW to
William DROVER (also a convict) The convict application lists Elizabeth as
BRODIE but the marriage index lists her as COTTINGTON.
Name: Elizabeth Brodie
Age: 49
Birth Year: Abt 1795
Spouse: William Drover
Request Status: Granted
Date of Permission/Refusal: 19 Apr 1844
425/1844 V1844425 29 DROVER WILLIAM COTTINGTON ELIZABETH MC
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
THORNTON
From:
Lee K
Sent: 22 November, 2015 10:01 PM
Subject: Thornton Family
Hello Ian,
I was adopted at birth and recently found my birth mother (after 49 years) and
her maiden name is Thornton. I've been doing a lot of family tree research since
then. We've discovered that there is at least 15 convicts in our direct
ancestors.
I discovered your website when I was Googling for more information and I joined.
It's got some great information. My mother remembers visiting the area and
staying at the Royal Arms Hotel as a child.
I saw there was a page full of pictures of Thornton family members. But there
was no description of who was who. I know there was (and still is a lot) but it
is there any way you would know who was who? I'd love to see if one of them was
a direct ancestor of mine.
http://monaropioneers.com/nimmitabel/pioneers/thorntona.htm
My lineage =
Morgan Joseph Thornton + Johanna Heffernan
Patrick Joseph Thornton + Mary Bartley
Patrick Thornton + Margaret Rankin
Albert Edward Thornton + Isabelle Annie Allen
Allan Patrick Thornton + Joyce Wilbow
Then my mother.
My half-brother and I plan on having a road trip down your way sometime to see
the graves, visit the pub and have a look at anything else of interest.
So, if you could check those photos and/or let me know where else I could find
more information about my clan, that would be great.
Thank you in advance for any help you can give.
Regards, Lee Ann King
Hi Lee,
Sorry, we have not received any information to identify the individuals in those
photos as yet.
Regards, Ian
BALDWIN
From: Kellie
Sent: 22 November, 2015 1:14 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Baldwin, Daniel (I110480)
Proposed Change: Baldwin, Daniel (I110480)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I110480&tree=MP
Description: This guy Daniel was a convict born 1810 Herefordshire not Ireland.
Whoever did the research for his headstone has made a mistake.
You can follow Daniel from his convict records, TOL in Queanbeyan, COF in
Queanbeyan to newspaper notices about his cattle being stolen where the brands
he states are WL, JL and DB. (William Leach, John Leach and Daniel
Baldwin) It's pretty dot to dot
Convict records state he was married with 2 children.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BUTT
On 19/11/2015 20:30, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Butt, Mary Ann (I231602)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I231602&tree=MP
Description: Mary was a convict, she was previously married in England.
NSW BDM marriage to DAVIS confirms this.
She apparently proved her 'innocence' and her original land grant at Gounyan was
to recompense for the injustice.
Name: Mary Lawrence
Birth: abt 1790
Civil: 4 Aug 1813 - Dorset
Arrival: 28 Jul 1814 - Sydney
Vessel: Broxbornebury
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BARTLEY
From:
Jeanette EGAN
Sent: 15 November, 2015 5:44 PM
Subject: I have a photo of RUPERT BARTLEY. It was in my fathers cousin
Lesley(Still alive) photos she sent me a few years back. He is in WW1 uniform
Hi Ian Harvey,
Here is a photo of Rupert BARTLEY given to me from a cousin Lesley (Still Alive)
whose mother’s partner was Kenneth Joseph DEEGAN.
Please find attached as well as Rupert Bartley’s NSW Coroners Inquest.
Jeanette EGAN
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
PATTON
From: Susan
Sent: 15 November, 2015 5:25 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Patton, Cecil Alexander (I49528)
Proposed Change: Patton, Cecil Alexander (I49528)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I49528&tree=MP
Description: Cecils father was Alexander Patton 1866-1900, the son of Hamilton
Patton & Mary Ann ELLIOTT.
Cecil was born at Bells Creek, the same place where his father was killed.
When Alexander died, the newspaper had that he was the father of 5/6 children.
When Cecil enlisted in WW1, he said that his father was deceased.
I’m pretty sure this information confirms they are father/son.
Susan
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BARTLEY
On 15/11/2015 15:51, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Bartley, Janet (I108445)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I108445&tree=MP
Description: Known as Jessie married in NZ 1910 to Edward GRAHAM. She died 1934
in QLD
Name: Jessie Graham
Death Date: 15 Aug 1934
Death Place: Queensland
Father's name: Michael Bartley
Mother's name: Jessie Armstrong
Buried GRAHAM JESSIE 58 Years Service Date 16-08-1934 Burial Toowong
Cemetery Location 25-47-14 Death Notice only mentions husband, no children
mentioned
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BARTLEY
From: Kellie
Sent: 15 November, 2015 12:37 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Bartley, Jane (I108446)
Proposed Change: Bartley, Jane (I108446)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I108446&tree=MP
Description: HI,
Jane married 1917 to William Henry DAY in VIC and she died 1954 in VIC although
her mothers first name is incorrect the surname is right.
Name:
Jane Day
Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 77
Death Place: Bairnsdale, Victoria
Father's name: Michael Bartley
Mother's name: Elizabeth Armstrong
Registration Year: 1954
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 22394
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BARTLEY
From: Kellie
Sent: 15 November, 2015 11:45 AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Bartley, Olive I. (I108452)
Proposed Change: Bartley, Olive I. (I108452)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I108452&tree=MP
Description: Olive Irene married 1915 to James R EVANS.
Olive died 1968 VIC (reg no 4603) both parents named correctly on her death.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
THOMAS
From:
Lance Lloyd
Sent: 14 November, 2015 5:23 PM
Subject: Nurse Thomas
Hi Ian,
I am trying to prepare a text with my wife on the Garnock family directed at her
father Kenneth Kyle Garnock.
We have a “folklore” account of his birth at Kuringai (or the “The Brick
Cottage”). The birth certificate has a Nurse Thomas as the attendee. David
Matthew Garnock we believe filled in the government registration. We believe
there was a second child (female) who died at child birth. NSW records have no
record of the twin born at the same time.
Additionally David Matthew Garnock brother married a Thomas in 1905 which is
recorded in your data base. The birth we have interest in occurred in 1907. Is
there a family connect; our line of investigation.
Sands Directory do have a “Nurse Thomas” as secretary of “ Bombala Female
Benevolent Society” which I believe is different to the “Bombala Ladies
Benevolent Society” where a number of Garnock’s are mentioned.
Do you have any details of “Nurse Thomas”?
I might add your data base is excellent; I wish we had a reference base in
Singleton along the same lines.
Thank you, Lance Lloyd
Hi Lance,
The only information we have is what is already available on our website.
This email will be included in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our
readers might be able to assist you.
Regards, Ian
BODY
On 12/11/2015 21:09, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Body, John Elihu (I56387)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I56387&tree=MP
Description: Cause of Death. Effects of a bullet wound to his head,
self-inflicted while of unsound mind.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BEUKE
On 11/11/2015 16:56, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Beuke, Augustus Carol (I69599)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I69599&tree=MP
Description: Augustus states in his will he was formerly from Halberstadt
Prussia and he named his THREE children as Helena Mary, Augustus Frederick
William and Ada Mary Jane.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BOOTH
On 11/11/2015 13:28, Kellie Brown wrote:
HI,
""Can anyone help resolve this question? If Alice Maud Gordon did marry
William George Booth (MP179732) then who are the family of William George Booth
(MP228611)?""
I'm not sure if the newspapers got it wrong or what but from the Wills it
appears that William George BOOTH died 1915 did not have a wife or children.
In 1947 Sarah Rebecca BOOTH claimed both her father William's estate and her
brother William George's estate. William George's Letter's of Administration
state that his father was the legal representative of William (jnr's) Estate but
that the father died before he could make claim.
Then both Estates just sat there until 1947 when Sarah Rebecca claimed both.
IF William George was married with children then his wife would have been the
legal representative to claim his estate and if she had died or remarried the
children of William George would have been the legal claimants.
Kellie
Thanks Kellie,
We have the question of William George Booth resolved now.
Regards, Ian
MAUNDER
From:
Teena
Sent: 10 November, 2015 8:25 PM
Subject: person id I16017
Please find attached a photo of Harry Nugent Maunder
Bye for now, Teena
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
BOOTH/HENDERSON
From:
John Burke
Sent: 11 November, 2015 5:16 AM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers Recent Newsletter
Hello Ian
Thank you and David for the great work you do - I enjoy receiving the
newsletter and reading any undated.
I am writing regarding the latest newsletter, where you had an email from
Janette Cleaver about William George Booth who married Alice Maude Gordon.
My connection is via Henderson family, you can see on the Pioneers where the
Booth family came into my line.
I am attaching :
a copy of a newspaper article from the Bega Standard dated 1st November 1915
advising of the demise of William George Booth.
Electoral roll information.
a copy of an article from the Pambula Voice dated 6th June 1924 regarding
Cleaver- Booth marriage. Where Robert Booth (William G brother) and both
girls referred to in the article are daughters of Robert and Margaret (nee
Gordon) Booth.
These were researched by Pat Raymond for me when I was doing my family tree.
The William George MP No. 228611- I firmly believe was the son of William and
Eliza (Elizabeth) Booth., and I was under the impression from the article in
Bega Standard he was not married.
I do not have a copy of the married certificate of William George and Alice
Gordon (never had the need) as from our family records this was never questioned
- that William George Booth who married Alice Maude Gordon was the son of John
Booth and Mary Anne Prentice from Fermanagh Ireland.
I hope this all is of help
Ian, I have no problem if you want to give my email address to Janette.
thanks again for the great work you do .
Kindest regards, Ann Murray Burke
Hi Ann,
Thank you for the information and kind words, we do appreciate the feedback.
The confusion surrounding William George Booth has been resolved and all the
correct detail is now in the database.
Regards, Ian
MALCOLM
From: E Lyon
Sent: 10 November, 2015 10:59 PM
Subject: Family History - - John Malcolm of Nimmitybelle c1862
Dear Mr Harvey
I am the Newsletter Editor and Family History Co0Ordinator of the Clan
MacCallum/Malcolm Society of Australia and New Zealand which is a small group of
approximately 20 members across Australia.
I have seen the Monaro Pioneer Families Index an entry for John Malcolm who as a
builder was prominent in constructing many public buildings in the Monaro area.
I would be interested in including his story in our quarterly Newsletter as I
try to include MacCallum or Malcolm pioneers who are not so well known in all
areas of Australia. Can I have your permission to use this story in our
Newsletter. If you grant permission, do you have any addition information such
as where he finally settled and his death as I note that the genealogy was
written in 2009.
Thanking you and looking forward to hearing from you, Eileen Lyon
Hi Eileen,
Yes you do have our permission to use the information we have but we do ask that
you recognise the source of the material in your article. The genealogical
information for John Malcolm and his descendants is contained within our
database which is available to search for free. There is a link to his
descendants report, generated from the database information on the same page as
his "story".
Regards, Ian
STITT
From:
john stitt
Sent: 10 November, 2015 4:48 PM
Subject: Enquiry
Hello Ian
My name is John Stitt and I have an interest in the Monaro region. My
paternal grandfather was born at Nine Mile Creek, Kiandra in 1873, the youngest
of 8 siblings. From Catholic Church records in Cooma 5 were born at Nine Mile
Creek. I understand his father, James, came to Kiandra in the early 1860's and
stayed there until he died. I understand he died in a mine accident around 1875.
I have found references to mining leases issued in his name around 1875/6 which
were not take up; I assume because of his premature death. I have not been
able to find any record of his death including any Inquest. I understand
his long term stay in the area is a little different as very few of the original
miners stayed in Kiandra after the initial couple of years of the Rush in the
early 1860's. There is no reference to Stitt in the index. Is there
anyone in the Group that has done any research on those miners who stayed on
after the initial Rush?
Secondly, my maternal Great grandfather, Samuel Ballard is mentioned on the
Website. Is there a contact for the Ballard family?
Thanks and regards, John Stitt
Hi John,
We do have some information on the Stitt family in our database but it is very
limited unfortunately. Perhaps you might like to provide a more complete
record of your ancestors so that we can update our records? We have no
contact information for the Ballard Family unfortunately.
Regards, Ian
WALL
From: Bernie Wall
Sent: 10 November, 2015 10:54 AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wall, Mary (I144715)
Proposed Change: Wall, Mary (I144715)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I144715&tree=MP
Description: 'lo Ian, Mary was also known as Minnie as per her husband, Norman
George Evans death notice (SMH 06/08/1921). Norman was a WW I vet..service no
797 served at Gallipoli with the 17 Bn with the rank of sgt.
Norman and Mary had a daughter, Roma Mary Evans, born Sydney (NSW BDM Birth Reg
No 13248/1914).Roma married Henry Empsom 1933 at North Sydney (NSW BDM Marriage
Reg No 11787/1933) later married Douglas Arndell Searl in 1944 at North
Sydney (NSW BDM Marriage Reg No 11494/1944). Douglas was a Korean War vet,
service no 22432, serving on HMAS Warramunga and Bataan. Douglas was born
31/08/1921 Hobart, Tas and died 08/02/2014, Redhead, NSW
Bernie Wall
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
CRAWFORD
On 10/11/2015 10:05, Ros Weston wrote:
Proposed Change: Crawford, Imelda Evelyn Clorine (I58057)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I58057&tree=MP
Description: The Marriage of William Hugh Thompson & Imelda Evelyn Crawford took
place at Moonbah Catholic Church on February 23rd 1925 and reception followed at
the family home Lynwood.
MP site has the date as 23rd December 1925 - could you please correct this. Many
thanks Ros Weston
Thanks Ros,
Regards, Ian
TINDALL/BAIN
From: Valma Hick
Sent: 9 November, 2015 6:20 PM
Subject: Tindall and Bain Connections
Hello Ian,
I have two connections to the latest newsletter
a.
James Ivan Tindall was my grt uncle a brother of my maternal grandmother Edna
Doris Tindall. Could you please either give me Marilyn Campbell's contact
email or I am very happy for you to supply her with mine -
valmahick@dodo.com.au.
I have at least one photo of Uncle Jim in his uniform and may have others in my
grandmother's photos we have not sorted out properly yet.
We would be very happy to help her out. Unfortunately, an elder brother of
Jim's, Gordon Tindall died in Apr 2014 it was he Marilyn probably had contact
with previously.
b. Query by Phyllis Kallquist - Elizabeth Bain who married Thomas Appleby
(convict) was my 2nd great grandmother, my dad Darcy Robert Douch's maternal
Appleby/Summerell side of the family - Elizabeth & Thomas' son William and Mary
Jane Summerell the parents of his mother Emily Appleby. After many years
of research we now have the correct parents for Henrietta (Clugston); Mary Bain
(Headcroft/Adcroft) - first marriage to John Ferguson in Sydney; James Bain; Our
Elizabeth (Appleby) (who although born in Cornwall was baptised on 23 May 1823,
Greenock, as certified by John Kerr, Esq. JP, Greenock, in Shipping Records) and
Jane b. 23 Oct 1832, Greenock. Her mother Jean "aka Jane" died towards the end
of September 1840 as Jane was admitted to the Protestant Orphan School on 25 Sep
1840. I would be happy for you to supply my email to her or for you to
give me her contact email.
I have also now made contact with (Commander, Sen. Presbyterian Chaplain, RAN),
Clyde Appleby a descendant of Richard Thomas Appleby the eldest son of Elizabeth
(Bain) and Thomas Appleby and he is also unable to tell me why Elizabeth's
parents were given as Elizabeth McPherson and James Bain. Also why James'
occupation was given as the Reverend James Bain, when we have now found from the
death certificate of his eldest daughter Henrietta Reid Clugston (nee Bain) on
11 Jun 1860, Amherst, Victoria, Australia, his occupation is given as a
Cooper.
I will very shortly send you an updated ged com for descendants of Thomas
Appleby & Elizabeth Bain so you can update them on the data-base.
Regards for Now, Valma Hick (nee Douch)
Hi Valma,
Here are the email addresses you need ....
'Marilyn Campbell'
'Phyllis Kallquist'
Don't forget to send me a copy ... 'I have at least one photo of Uncle Jim in
his uniform'
Regards, Ian
HALLAM
On 09/11/2015 18:55, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Hallam, Joseph Henry (I27131)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I27131&tree=MP
Description: A Fatal Accident.
DEATH OF JOSEPH HALLAM.
The death of Joseph Hallam has robbed Hillston of a well-known and highly
respected resident. Last issue we briefly mentioned that deceased had met with
an accident by being thrown from his horse at Willandra station.
About ten days ago the unfortunate man had saddled up a horse with the intention
of riding to Hillston to attend on his father-in-law (Mr W. S.
Hook) who was then not expected to recover from an illness.
Mounting the animal it commenced bucking, and after a couple of bucks threw the
rider into the air. Landing on the pommel of the saddle, Hallam received serious
injury, and he was then thrown heavily to the ground.
A motor car was quickly at hand, and the injured man conveyed as speedily as
possible to Hillston Hospital Medical examination revealed that the injuries
sustained were of a most serious nature, and little hope held out for his
recovery. The pelvis having been fractured, the broken bone had perforated the
bladder. Most skilful attention by Dr.
Annetts, and careful nursing by the Hospital staff, relieved the suffering that
the unfortunate man was so gallantly enduring, and backed by a robust
constitution, he lingered on quite conscious until Sunday morning, when he
lapsed into a comatose state, and remained in that condition until about 9.45
o'clock that night when death released him from his agony.
Deceased was the eldest son of the late Joseph William and Mrs Hallam, of
'Cattle Hill,' Gunning, and was 56 years of age. About thirty years ago he first
came to Hillston at shearing time, and for a number of years was the ' ringer '
at Merrowie and other sheds in the district.
A fine horseman, a splendid worker, and a genuine companion, Joe Hallam was
always referred to as a ' good fellow.'
In the nineties he selected land at Green Hills, but like many more of the early
settlers, the droughts had a disastrous effect on his holding and he was
compelled to abandon it. He then followed the occupation of a teamster, and was
a familiar figure on the road between Hillston and Carrathool, the nearest
railway terminus in those days. With a team of
42 bullocks, coupled 4 abreast, he has the record of hauling the biggest load of
wool 144 bales that has ever been carted into Carrathool railway station in one
load. In 1910 he married Dolly, third daughter of Mr and Mrs W. S. Hook, of
Hillston, and is survived by a widow and 5 sons, the
eldest being 12 years and the youngest 4 years.
For a number of years the late Mr Hallam was a trusted employee of Willandra
Pastoral Company. Three brothers (Peter, Patrick, and Frank, of Gunning), and
two sisters Mrs Clancy (Wyalong) and Miss C Hallam
(Gunning) were in constant attendance on their brother and remained with him to
the end. The funeral took place on Monday afternoon, the cortege being a very
lengthy one.
The interment took place in the Catholic portion of the local cemetery, Rev.
Father Timmins officiating at the graveside. The funeral arrangements were
carried out by Mrs A. J. Wilson & Sons The coroner (Mr R W. Stewart) conducted
an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding the accident at the Court House on
Monday morning, and returned the following finding : 'That Joseph Hallam died in
Hillston Hospital on 4th May, 1924, from injuries received by being thrown from
his horse at Willandra station on the 26th day of April, 1924.'
the Hillston Spectator and Lachlan River Advertiser, Friday 9 May 1924 page 7
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
HALLAM
From: Warwick
Sent: 9 November, 2015 6:42 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Hallam, Joseph (I27111)
Proposed Change: Hallam, Joseph (I27111)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I27111&tree=MP
Description: SUDDEN DEATH.-On Wednesday last, as Mr. Joseph Hallam, Sen., of the
Fish River, was riding home from Gunning, and when about two miles from his own
house, he suddenly fell from his horse and expired. His son, who was with him at
the time, was at once at his side, but all earthly assistance was useless, as
the vital spark had fled.
The son had him removed home at once, and a magisterial inquiry was held on
Thursday by one of the Gunning magistrates, the opinion being that an apoplectic
fit was the cause of death.
Mr. Hallam had only left his home that morning in the best of health, and with
his son went to Gunning to transact some business. He was an old and respected
inhabitant of the Gunning district, having lived on the Fish River for upwards
of thirty years. -Yass Argus.
The Sydney Morning Herald, Tuesday 26 February 1867 page 5
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
JOHNSON
From: Warwick
Sent: 9 November, 2015 6:09 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Johnson, Allan G. M. (I27344)
Proposed Change: Johnson, Allan G. M. (I27344)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I27344&tree=MP
Description: Here is an amusing divorce version for the time:
LIFE ON A FARM FOR THELMA? NO, SIR!
So Hubby Secured a Divorce and Rose Murrell
BOTH HAD HARD-LUCK STORIES
'HOW you gonna keep 'em down on the farm?' IT'S an old problem and they don't
seem to be able to solve it. Songs have been written around the subject, and
politicians have spoken in their confiding way of the beauties to be derived
from a life on the land. BUT often only the cows and the chickens appear to
appreciate the real pleasure of an existence where potato-studded fields and
ricketty-wired fences are all that intrude upon the domestic peacefulness of
man's domain. TAKE Thelma Johnson, for instance.
THELMA didn't appear to get much kick out of living with her husband, Allan
George Murray Johnson, on his little farmlet, 'Edgerton,' Yass. And the method
the lady adopted to show how playing the part of the farmer's wife palled upon
her formed the basis of a strange little human-life drama that was unfolded in
Mr. Justice Pike's Divorce Court one day during the week.
ALLAN GEORGE was actually the only principal to appear upon the stage. But there
were others behind the scenes. There was Thelma, who has gone out of Allan
George's life; and there was a Queensland miss, Rose Murrell, who stepped into
it to take Thelma's place. And running throughout the whole piece was a
compelling love motif that sent Allan George along seeking his freedom from one
that he might pursue happiness with the other. Allan's 'Mixed' Farm He 20, and
one year younger than she, Allan Geogre and Thelma whose name was then Howard
were married at St. Paul's Church, Nyngan, on April 28, 1923, according to the
rites of the Church of England. Thelma at the time lived at Bourke and her hubby
belonged to Gunning. To the latter's property they went following the ceremony.
Allan had a crown lease of land on which he conducted a mixed farm, but
evidently contentment for Thelma was one thing that couldn't be cultivated
successfully. Early in December, 1926, came the parting. Thelma said that she
wanted to visit her mother at Nyngan and off she went. Later her husband saw her
there and she informed him that she was working as a barmaid and had no
intention of going back to Yass.
Life on a farm? No, sir! 'A Wowser,' She Said 'That farm's no good to me,'
That was in January, 1927 and Thelma gave Allan George to under stand that she
absolutely wouldn't return to the farm. So a while later, in June, the deterred
hubby set out for Queensland, where, at Toowoomba, he met the OTHER woman.
Johnson had known Rose Murrell and her family previously. And they renewed
acquaintance as friends in ad versity. Rose confided her troubles In Allan
George. Her family was destitute, her father was, nobody knew where
Goal of Happiness Then Allan George related his own circumstances. He told her
of the hard luck that had come into his life, but mentioned that he had a good
home and a little daughter and he informed Rose that she would be welcome and a
great help if she would return with him to look after the house and watch over
the girl. And so Rose came. The lot of housekeeping fell to her, and she
handled her duties admirably. Then, some 12 or 15 months after her arrival, the
relations between them changed. Rose became something more than just housekeeper
for a farmer master, and Allan George
Truth, Sunday 13 December 1931 page 16
DECREES ABSOLUTE,
Decrees nisi were declared absolute in the suits of Allan George Murray Johnson
v Thelma Johnson.
The Sydney Morning Herald, Wednesday 22 June 1932
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
HART
On 09/11/2015 17:51, Susan wrote:
Proposed Change: Hart, William James (I117765)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I117765&tree=MP
Description: William died 1964 (13390/1964) in Maitland.
Susan
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
PRICE
From:
Tanyabill
Sent: 9 November, 2015 10:56 AM
Subject: Mary/Ann Price (Minstrel, 1812)
Dear Ian,
I did a cursory check of William Haigh (1792-1833, General Hewitt, 1814)
prompted by the latest newsletter. The current presentation is somewhat
different to my understanding of his situation in relation to his mysterious
wife Mary/Maryann/Ann Price (Minstrel, 1812). The latter seems to be the
only likely first partner of William Haigh when he resided in Sydney. My
understanding is that this ‘Ann Price/Haigh’ (probably never formally married)
was born about 1790 (the website now says 1793) and died July, 1832 (the website
now says 1829) having borne nine children (the website now shows only four).
Moreover, the website in showing her death date as 1829 continues to show her
last son (John Patrick) as having been born in 1830!! So William Haigh’s
partner’s dubious existence is now just a bit more confused. Can you advise me
how Price’s (new) birth and death dates were arrived at and why only four
children are recorded, one having been born well after the mother’s presumed
death?
Regards and compliments on the maintenance of a great site!
Bill Streat.
Hi Bill,
The family of William Haigh and Mary Ann Price is not one I have looked at but I
have added what I can to hopefully make it correct. Please let me know if
there are any errors that need to be rectified.
Regards, Ian
Hello again, Ian: Yes, the summary now looks more like my understanding of the
questionable Mary (Ann) Price. May I ask where you sourced the rectifying
changes you made and who might have entered the previous information, including
that Mary (Ann) had only four children? This person might have valuable
insights. If the latter is too difficult don’t bother too much.
Regards, Bill Streat.
Hi Bill,
I found the information on Ancestry.com.
I don't know who supplied the previous information.
Sometimes there are families in the database like this situation where one or
more children might be associated with the region but the parents are not so the
family could be incomplete unless we receive the necessary detail to add to the
records.
Regards, Ian
KIMPTON
From: George Kimpton
Sent: 9 November, 2015 10:50 AM
Subject: Kimpton records
Dear Ian is it possible to add info re later generations such as my family etc.
This is the first time I have really dug into the site especially re convict
ancestors, Jessop. It is amazing just how much there is hidden away.
Apparently granddad was quite a courageous chap. He left England where he worked
as a farm labourer in late teens and came to a place that was hard to get to
then made a life for himself. I remember a few things that my dad told me and he
was quite a character. For instance living around 20 miles inland on the Deua
River he would walk into town to attend his Mason meetings and then back home.
Who would do that these days.
George Kimpton
Hi George,
Just send any additional/correctional information/images to me and I will update
the database. Glad to hear you have now discovered some of the "hidden"
treasures in the database.
Regards, Ian
CONNOLLEY/CONNOLLY
From:
Donna Gibbs
Sent: 2015-11-09 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
Thanks, David. The links to Ian's name on the newsletter does not seem to be
working this morning. I have looked up my ancestor Daniel Connolley in the past
but he seems to have disappeared from the alphabetical list. I'm wondering if I
am doing something wrong! Sorry to trouble you.
Donna Gibbs
Hi Donna,
We do not have a Daniel Connolley in our database? Can you give me more
information please?
Regards, Ian
Dear Ian
I'm not sure how to be helpful here. I'll attach some documents I have for
Daniel Connolley and I'' also attach my written version of his history. This may
just be a nuisance for you and if so apologies. I think you do the most
amazing work on the site and appreciate it greatly.
With thanks, Donna Gibbs
Hi Donna,
Sorry, I
should have checked the spelling variations. We do have Daniel Connolly in
our database and now on the Pioneers Index. You can check the information
we have at …
http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I62766&tree=MP
Regards, Ian
LESLIE
From:
lesleyjarm
Sent: 8 November, 2015 6:13 PM
Subject: Leslie family
Dear Ian,
My grandmother was Alma may Leslie formerly alma black. I believe I am a member
of the Leslie family which was connected to the Davidson family of Eden. I am
interested in knowing more about this side of the family as histories and
numbers of relatives on this side have always been a bit thin on the ground. You
will also note that I have the Leslie name being Alma's first grandchild. I have
a sister who is also keen to find out more and fill in the blanks. My husband
and I are planning a trip down to Eden to visit friends late 2015/early 2016.
I live in Bathurst new and my sister in Sydney.
I work full time but would be thrilled to hear from you. Of course a return
email would also be welcome. Look formed to hearing from you.
Kind regards, Lesley Armstrong née Black
Hi
Lesley,
We do have
information on both the Davidson and Leslie families in our database which you
can search and investigate by using the link on our website ….
www.monaropioneers.com
Regards, Ian
BOWDEN
From:
junemphillips
Sent: 2015-11-01 2:39 AM
Subject: Index pioneers
Ian, I am interested in your pioneer index. I noticed William Bowden has been
removed from your index for being a pioneer of Yass, i was sure he was there
last time I looked. That is a shame William came to Yass in the 1880's and spent
50 years in the area and his wife out lived him. As owners of Cooma Cottage
between 1910 and 1925 William was a keen land owner and contributed to the
community. In fact in the early 1900's he had multiple properties in Yass and
O'Conneltown. So I am surprised he was removed, as family members remaining in
the area and are still there.
So the question has been provoked by this . What is the criteria for being a
pioneer of Yass. Some say it was only for the sqauters who took over land and
ran' sheep , others say employment status, others say length of time living in
the area , how many generations . I guess i will ask I would like to know what
is the criteria and why was William removed.
Regards june
Hi June,
The criteria for inclusion on the Pioneers index is simple, the Individual(s)
must have an established connection with the region before 1860. Arriving
in the 1880's hardly constitutes a pioneer of the area. The family of
William Ba(o)wden and Sophia Gesina Johanna nee Edwards nee Wark are included in
our database. William Bowden has never been included on our Pioneers
Index. No one has been removed there from in all the years I have been
maintaining the MP website.
Regards, Ian
Thank you, I just saw others in the list I was looking at online, that were in
their 1880's when I looked up your index on the pioneers, I thought the dates
represented the arrival dates. So I thought it worthwhile to ask the question.
The name Bawden/Bowden was not there on that index, and I had looked up this
before but maybe I had to sign in to look at the complete data base . I gather
there is a separate data base I must have just been in the pioneers listing.
We are just in the process of publishing a C D on the Wark family which
includes lots on that Bowden family. If you have any queries on the family you
can direct them to me. We will only be doing one print run so if you know any
one who might like to get one they need to be quick. The only cost of the CD is
the recovery of printing and postage costs being $12 per disc. This book will be
about 2000 pages when finalised , it goes to print in late November and half are
gone already. I mention this because think there were errors in your data on the
Warks a few dates wrong, last time I looked. In December I can go through them
with you if you wish so you can make the corrections. Regards June
A Wark Through
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contributors, and they have all put their mark on this family history and was
compiled over a number of years. Every effort has been made to ensure the
accuracy of the data used and we have made every effort to source primary
sources, all of which makes this, a must have book. To order your copy/copies
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excess of those ordered in this run. The book is on CD and is presented with a
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family’s history. The presentation includes artwork designed by a renowned South
Australian Artist and Family member Marnie Wark. Total pages will end up in the
thousands far too many pages for a hard copy book. The CD will come through the
mail in a CD holder case. The CD itself will be of high quality and will be set
as a read only CD. There is a postage and printing cost associated with the
disc, and the amount payable to cover this cost will be $12 Australian dollars,
per/each CD ordered, this covers the cost of the actual disc, postage and
handling charges, as well as the set up and printing costs charged by the
printer. There is no further cost or reimbursements payable as promised, this
fee does not represent the thousands of dollars collectivily spent on, paid
research, and the purchase of records, these costs have been absorbed by the co
writters. This book will make a great Christmas present and we need the numbers
to maintain this cost low.it comes
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Regards June
Phillips –
Hi June,
Thanks, If you can add to or correct any of the information we have we
would be very grateful.
We can add the details of your upcoming CD to our next newsletter if that helps.
Regards, Ian