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Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
2015 Number 3
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
MONARO PIONEERS is now on Facebook.
The Monaro Pioneers website now has its own Facebook page which is accessible at the following URL:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/893648944008345/
The Monaro Pioneers Facebook page is another source to use to gather family history information.
The MP Facebook page is another tool use to help build on the Monaro Pioneers database.
The MP Facebook page is a member based Facebook page.
Once members are approved, members usually send a thank you and a brief message how they are connected to the Eden/Monaro areas.
Members can then exchange family connections i.e. how they are related to each other.
Members are welcome to add photos, exchange information or connect to new family members.
Milestones such as the number of members are posted every few weeks.
A reminder post is posted to the Facebook page for members to refer to the Monaro Pioneers website for further information and to arrange for any updates needed on the database.
Photos that are added to the Facebook page may also be added to the MP database.
Members can connect to other members directly and send messages, etc. if necessary.
Footnote by Ian Harvey: Our thanks go to Bruce Stubbs for the idea and the initiative to run with it.
Towards Mrs Keefe's Farm
From:
John S. Trengove
Sent: 2015-03-11 2:41 PM
Subject: Monaro history
Dear David Knox,
From one whom has a long held interest in the history of the Monaro, I have recently released a book entitled "Towards Mrs Keefe's Farm", in which your newsletter readers may be interested .
Please see attachment (Book now available.pdf) announcing the availability of the book - a PDF e-book which brings much of the history of the Monaro of New South Wales, and the life of conditionally pardoned convict Joseph Wild, together in one fully illustrated work of 424 pages.
Thanking you, and Monaro Pioneers for the excellent work you are doing.
From John S. Trengove (Author)
78 Botha Avenue, Reservoir
Melbourne, 3073
(03) 9469 2990
REQUESTS:
GAIT REUNION
Hello David,
Could you please advertise the following Reunion for descendants of William
Gait/Bridget Curley to take place at Moss Vale NSW on weekend 30-31st May, 2015.
William and Bridget had four children: Elizabeth, Thomas, Mary, Ann Dinah
(Diana).
Further information can be obtained by emailing me or Jannette Cameron (nee
Gait) who is organising the reunion.
Contacts:
jannette.cameron@bigpond.com
or
imason46@hotmail.com
Many thanks,
Irene Mason
HENRY GRANT REUNION
From: John [mailto:haylockjohn@netspace.net.au]
Sent: 2014-12-02 4:44 AM
Subject: Grant Clan of Wydham NSW
Dear David,
A reunion of the descendants of Henry Grant Snr 1815 - 1881 is currently being planned (finally) for 2015 over the long weekend in October in Wyndham.
The year is significant as it turns out as it will be the 200th birthday of Henry Grant Snr Is it possible to have some information on this event included in the newsletter? I do have dates and events for that weekend if appropriate.
For your information and reference, I am the youngest child of Clyde and Annie Grant from Wydham.
In anticipation of a reply.
Regards
Maree Haylock (Grant)
WILLOUGHBY
From:
Sue Zammit
Sent: 2014-09-26 7:28 PM
Subject: WILLOUGHBY REUNION 2015 AT BRAIDWOOD NSW
Hello David
I would like to introduce myself. My name is Sue Zammit and I live in Gisborne, Victoria. My fathers mothers family were the Smith family from Braidwood NSW. The father was Joseph Smith Born in 1843 in Pinxton, Derbyshire England. He married in 1867 in New Zealand to Mary Jane Granger She was born in 1853 in Surrey, England. They went on to have 16 children. The moved to Braidwood New South Wales, Australia in 1891 and Mary Jane went on to have another3 children, one of which was my grandmother Ethel Dorothea Louisa Smith. One of the Smith girls married into the Willoughby family that was settled in Braidwood. That is where the reunion starts. The Willoughby reunion is to be held at the RSL Club in Braidwood on 26,27,28 Sept 2015 There is a Facebook page under Willoughby reunion. I was wondering if you may be able to put a notice on your web site adverting for any descendents of John Willoughby and Mary Ann Mills. She was a half cast aboriginal. I have loads of information on the whole family if your are interested. I can be contacted at email suzyq14@bigpond.com There should be a very healthy turnout as the Willoughby clan is huge.
Many thanks for your time, hope to hear back from you .
Kind regards Sue Zammit (Gisborne, Victoria)
CURRENT CORRESPONDENCE:
BARTLEY
From: Kelly Bartley
Sent: Monday, 6 April 2015 1:48 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Bartley, Joseph (I146576)
Proposed Change: Bartley, Joseph (I146576)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I146576&tree=MP
Description: Something that might like to be added as a side note - Joseph Bartley came to Australia as a convict called Joseph Barclay aboard the ship Lady Harewood in 1832. He was placed with Henry Badgery and worked for him for some years before receiving his ticket of leave in 1837 and then his ticket of freedom in 1840. Links to substantiate this are:
Old Bailey Proceedings Online (www.oldbaileyonline.org, version 7.2, 05 April 2015), October 1831, trial of JOSEPH BARCLAY (t18311020-62).
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchhits.aspx?table=C
onvict%20Index&id=65&frm=1&query=Surname:Barclay;Firstname:Joseph
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article2209663
http://www.convictrecords.com.au/ships/lady-harewood/1832
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article123170468
In one of the links (obituary of William Bartley) it refers to Joseph's brothers as being a minister in England and an early Piano manufacturer in England and then USA. I cannot find any information to substantiate this claim and believe it may be part of the story he told to substantiate his claim of being an honest upstanding citizen without any criminal record (also expressed in the obituary). I am continuing to search for his siblings and family details from England and will advise if I find anything of note.
However, it appears that the apple doesnt fall from the tree as several of his children were also in trouble with the law for various offences including break and enter and violence.
kind regards, Kelly Bartley
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
MINERS/CALDWELL
From:
Mazza
Sent: Friday, 3 April 2015 4:11 PM
Subject: addition to John Charles Miners and Hannah Louise Spencer
Caldwell
Hello David
I was just wanting to add a few people to our family history for the Miners group.
It is Allan Miners family branch.
Judith Miners Her son Stephen Patterson his daughter Tamara Patterson d.o.b 10/12/1987 married Richard Alexander Brownlee Muir d.o.b 16/10/1985 Married 18/12/2010 Kiama NSW Their daughter Leila Anne Muir born 9/3/2015 Canberra ACT.
Judith Miners Her son Michael Patterson addition to the family of another daughter being Imogen Grace Patterson d.o.b 28/11/2009 Wagga Wagga NSW.
This will bring our family up to date
Thank you
Regards, Marian Reynolds
Hi Marian,
Thank you for the information, can you also tell us who Stephen and Michael married please?
Regards, Ian
SCHAFER/CALMAN
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Sunday, 5 April 2015 8:49 PM
Subject: Headstone of Jacob Schafer and Phoebe Lily Calman
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstones of Jacob Schafer and Phoebe Lily Calman.
Jacob was buried at
Eastern Suburbs Memoiral Park Botany Sydney NSW
A13 - Anglican F Monumental 13 - Grave 217
Phoebe is buried at:
Eastern Suburbs Memoiral Park Botany Sydney NSW
A5 - Anglican FM 5 - Grave 538
Regards, Bruce
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
GRANT/ARROLD
From:
rilygb
Sent: Sunday, 5 April 2015 8:40 PM
Subject: Grant and Arrold family history
Good evening gentlemen
My name is Rick Andrew and I have recently retired to the Sunshine Coast Qld.
With some more time available I've started to find out more about our family
history. My mother was Alma Grant, daughter of "Melon Dan" Grant. She married
Percy (Patrick) Roy Arrold and subsequently Thomas Richard Andrew.
The Arrolds appear to have a range of variations to their surname, eg Arols,
Arrol.
I'm just focussing on the basics at this stage as I'm new to this work.
I'd appreciate any advice or guidance you could offer to help fill in the
lineage through Alma back through Henry Grant and beyond and also for William
Arols/William Arrold. William appears to be a pioneer in the Queanbeyan area and
also may have convict links?
My apologies for this bald approach to you. I can recall very briefly an uncle
Barney whose address was something like New Building bridge via Wyndham. Alma's
father, "Melon Dan", may have been a publican. The origin of the names "Melon
Dan" and "Possum Jack" are also intriguing.
Thanks for your patience in reading this email and I hope that i have not caused
any inconvenience by contacting you.
Kind regards, Rick Andrew
Hi Rick,
You will find the family tree of Henry Grant and Janet Campbell on the Monaro Pioneers website
http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/register.php?personID=I4211&tree=MP&generations=4
and the family tree of William Arrold and Ann Bayleycorn as well
http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/register.php?personID=I146551&tree=MP&generations=4
We don't have very much information on your mother and her descendants as yet so any details you can supply would be most welcome.
Regards, Ian
SCHAFER/BROWN
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Sunday, 5 April 2015 8:38 PM
Subject: Headstone for Arthur Harold Schafer and Cecilia Dorothy Brown
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstone for Arthur Harold Schafer and Cecilia Dorothy Brown.
Both were buried at:
Eastern Suburbs Memorial Park Botany Sydney NSW
A5 - Anglican FM 5 - Grave 537
Regards, Bruce
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BRADLEY
From:
Judith de Grauw
Sent: Saturday, 4 April 2015 11:13 PM
Subject: Fwd: John Bradley and Mary
Dear Ian,
I am writing to you as the following message I sent to Amanda was returned as an incorrect address.
Would you kindly assist me?
Kind regards, Judy de Grauw
Hi Judy,
The only address we have is the one you have already tried. However, we can add your request to our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers can help you.
Regards, Ian
.
From: Judith de Grauw
Date: 4 April 2015 8:08:11 pm AWST
Subject: John Bradley and Mary
Dear Amanda,
I came across your name in connection with your biography of William Bradley on
the Monaro Pioneers website.
I am researching the Bradley-Morris family on behalf of their descendant, my
sister-in-law, Patricia Poole (nee Osborn). Patricia is descended from John
Bradley and Mary.
There are many family stories about John Bradley & Mary and also about Nancy
Humue and George Morris. Some of these stories are plausible, some maybe less
so.
I am a retired History teacher turned family genealogist.
Truly, any assistance or direction you might give me would be greatly
appreciated.
Kind regards, Judy de Grauw (nee Poole)
RANKIN
On 03/04/2015 16:18, Sharon Jarman wrote:
Subject: Re: Comments (Rankin, Donald
I am researching Amos Rankin and his
family-ancestors and descendants. Amos being my brother in laws g-grandfather. It was not until the death of grandfather reginald Edward Georeg Smith in 2007 that they found that he was a RANKIN. Only 2 days ago I was given the names of Amos & his wife Jessica Dainer. I have seen in this website that Amos had 2 children by another woman(he and Jessica never lived together from 1930s as thru Electoral roles).
I found that Amos was living with a Barry in the years prior to his death. (electoral roles) and noticed that you have withheld information on B. Rankin son of Amos. Are you in contact with Barry or any of his family. My brother in law is keen to get any information, verbal, written and/or photos.
Regards, Sharon Jarman
Hi Sharon,
We have no contact information for Barry Rankin unfortunately.
We can put your email in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers might be able help you.
I am however, interested in your comment "It was not until the death of grandfather Reginald Edward George Smith in 2007 that they found that he was a RANKIN". Could you please explain how there is a connection?
Regards, Ian
Ian
When Reginald Edward George Smith died in 2007 on the death certificate I have been told was that his birth surname was Rankin.
His only son Reginald Griffiths Smith wife relayed to me thru my sister in law that Reg Edward George's parent's name were Amos Rankin and Jessica Dainer. I am assuming that was on the death certificate..I have not seen it.
The surname Smith was is use in 1942 when Reg married and then again when he enlisted for ww2.
I remember that they had no idea of the name change.
Sharon
Hi Sharon,
We have an Edward in our records, the son of Amos Rankin and Jessie Dainer, could he be Reginald Edward George Smith?
Regards, Ian
Ian
I think so. I remember them saying that not just last name changed probably added Reginald after his grandfather. Amos died in 1975 in Canberra where had been living for quite some time.
I will be seeing the Smith family shortly to show them what I have found..hopefully I will get to see the death certificate and I will let you know the details then
sharon
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
WINNER
From:
Amy Winner
Sent: Thursday, 2 April 2015 10:15 AM
Subject: Book - The Snowy Mountain Men WW1
Good morning,
At a friends dinner this week I was perusing her bookshelf (as I often do at other peoples homes to see what I may have missed reading) and I happily came across a book about the Snowy Mountain Men who were involved in the recruitment march for WW1.
My ancestor Arthur Winner was a part of this march and appears in this book. I was quite taken aback that all of these years later that we might be friends unknowing that our ancestors marched to enlist together, how very amazing!
My friend said that the book was recently launched in Quenbeyan and that if I contacted the Bombala Historical Society that I may be able to purchase a copy.
Can you assist?
Kind Regards, Amy
Hi Amy,
Sorry, I do not have a copy of the book you mentioned nor do I have any involvement with the Bombala Historical Society.
This email will appear in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers can help you.
Regards, Ian
STOKES
From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2015 10:51 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Stokes, June Patricia (I204690)
Proposed Change: Stokes, June Patricia (I204690)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I204690&tree=MP
Description: DOB: 14 July 1927
In Loving Memory
June Patricia Beileiter
14/07/1927 to 20/03/2014
Sadly missed along life's way,
Quietly remembered every day.
No longer in our life to share,
But in our hearts, you're always there.
Don, Julie, Susan and Families
ANNOUNCEMENTS : IN MEMORIAM
18/03/2015 Bombala Times
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
CHALKER
On 31/03/2015 14:50, John Richards wrote:
Proposed Change: Chalker, P.W. (I256318)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I256318&tree=MP
Description: It has been suggested to me that Percy William Chalker born Jun 1920 at Cooma, is of indigenous ancestry.
Is there anyway this could be confirmed, or otherwise?
Regards, John
Hi John,
We can put your request in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers can help you.
Regards, Ian
JOHNSTON/STORER
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2015 7:58 AM
Subject: Headstone for John Henry Johnston and Irene May Storer
HI David and Ian,
Please find attached headstones for John Henry Johnston and Irene May Storer.
Both are buried at Gypsy Point Cemetery VIC.
John was born on 12 Nov 1909 in Paddingtion NSW and died 23 Feb 1974 in Orbost VIC.
Irene was born on 3 June 1913 in Colac VIC and died 31 July 1988 in Bendgio VIC.
John and Irene married in 1937 in Eden NSW.
Regards, Bruce
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
JOHNSTON
On 31/03/2015 07:51, Bruce Stubbs wrote:
Proposed Change: Johnston, John Henry (I87484)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87484&tree=MP
Description: Daughter is Thelma I342582 and I52496
Bruce Stubbs
Well spotted Bruce, excellent detective work.
Regards, Ian
WILKINS
From: Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2015 9:25 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wilkins, Edgar Courtney (I67333)
Proposed Change: Wilkins, Edgar Courtney (I67333)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I67333&tree=MP
Description: Edgar died in 1938 in Fitzroy VIC. (BDM VIC Index 6320/1938)
Bruce Stubbs
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WILKINS
From: Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2015 9:19 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wilkins, John Claude (I67332)
Proposed Change: Wilkins, John Claude (I67332)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I67332&tree=MP
Description: John died in QLD in 1946 (BDM QLD C2493/1946)
Bruce Stubbs
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BRUCE
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2015 9:01 PM
Subject: Headstone of Ruth Ellen Bruce
HI David and Ian,
Please find attached headstone for Ruth Ellen Bruce.
Ruth was buried at Bombala Cemetery NSW, Church of England (New) Section; Row K; Position Number: 24.
Regards, Bruce
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
SMITH/MULLANE
From:
Margaret Alcorn
Sent: Sunday, 29 March 2015 9:26 AM
Subject: additions
Hello Ian.
Some more work for you,
I235004 Mary Smith & I98639 Mary C Smith is the same person, Married I88434 Arthur Mullane, a daughter Alice Mullane was born 1917 Reg. 20443 Bega, died 1917 Reg.7256 Bega.
Their son Brian Arthur Mullane, also on official record as Arthur Brian Mullane died 9 March 1961 at Eastwood Reg.4935 Ryde, he married 1949 Reg.1229 North Sydney Shirley Hessell Rubie.
Regards, Margaret Alcorn
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
RAMSEY/KERRISON
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Saturday, 28 March 2015 3:54 PM
Subject: Headstone of Thomas Henry Ramsey and Maud Kerrison
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached copies of headstones for Thomas Henry Ramsey and Maud Kerrison.
They are both buried at Bega Cemetery NSW at:
Anglican; section 7; Row M; Position Number: 1-3
Regards, Bruce
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
LOVELOCK
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:48:43 +1100
From: shanell
Subject: Re: Comments
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On 26/03/2015 14:08, shanell wrote:
Comments: Hi i am trying to find out if my grandfather Ronald Stanly Lovelock was an aboriginal from the yuin trib. His dob is 1/5/1933
shanell
Sorry, we have no information that will help you unfortunately.
Regards, Ian
Hi Ian
Would u know where we i could find this stuff out. Also how do we amend something like children on the sight. Pop has children and their is none written down..
Thanks again Ian.
Regards, Shanell.
Hi Shanell,
You could try the local area History Societies, they may have information about the local indigenous population.
To add additional information to our database, just send your proposed changes to me and I will update our records.
Regards, Ian
PASSMORE
On 26/03/2015 23:26, Robyn Waite wrote:
Proposed Change: Passmore, Elizabeth (I180770)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I180770&tree=MP
Description: Elizabeth Passmore who was actually christened BETTE ST CLAIRE PASSMORE (not Elizabeth) became the acclaimed Australian artist known as Bette Hays. Born in Sydney in 1922, Bette Hays studied at the East Sydney Technical College under Frank Norton, Douglas Dundas, Jean Bellette, Alfred Cook and Roland Wakelin. She lived in Papua New Guinea for a number of years and taught at Townsville Grammar School for some time. She has exhibited in most capital cities in Australia as well as in London. Her work is represented in many private collections in Australia and overseas. Examples of her art:
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=bette+hays&espv=2&biw=1600&bih=799&
source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=ePkTVcb4OoTlmAX7hoLQBA&ved=0CAYQ_AUoATgK
She married Albert Arthur Blaxland Hays in 1948 and she died Dec 2004
in Townsville, Qld.
Robyn Waite
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
WALLACE
On 27/03/2015 17:17, Kevin Wallace wrote:
Proposed Change: Wallace, William (I268771)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I268771&tree=MP
Description: This is my grand-father
N.S.W. BDM Registration Number: 1966/23079 Date of Death: 9 MAY 1966
Place of Death: 22 PARK STREET, QUEANBEYAN, N.S.W.
Name: WILLIAM WALLACE
Occupation: LABOURER, WIDOWER
Sex: MALE
Age: 76
Cause of Death: PERFORATION OF PERIGASTRIC ABCESS, PENETRATION OF
GASTRIC ULCERS, GASTRIC ULCER, ANAEMIA
Duration: HOURS, MONTHS, YEARS, YEARS
Medical Attendant: DONALD GILLESPIE, REGISTERED
Father: WILLIAM WALLACE
Father's Occupation: LABOURER
Mother - Maiden Name: ELIZABETH ROBERTS
Informant: J.M. YANDELL, NIECE, 71 NOVAR STREET, YARRALUMLA, A.C.T.;
REGISTERED 16 MAY 1966 When Buried: 11 MAY 1966
Where: ROMAN CATHOLIC CEMETERY, CANBERRA, A.C.T.
Undertaker: M.H. O'ROURKE FUNERALS
Minister: D. GREENE
Religion: ROMAN CATHOLIC
Witnesses: R.J. LAWFORD, K.E. ELLIOTT
Where born: ARALUEN, N.S.W.
Time in Colony/State: -
Place Married: NOT KNOWN
Age at Marriage: NOT KNOWN
Spouse: NOT KNOWN (DECEASED)
Children of Marriage: LESLIE, AGE NOT KNOWN
Other:
Kevin Wallace
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
McCOLE
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Sunday, 22 March 2015 9:23 AM
Subject: Headstone of Jocelyn McCole
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstone for Jocelyn McCole.
Regards, Bruce
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ELTON/JARMAN
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Saturday, 21 March 2015 6:00 PM
Subject: Headstones of Dalby William Elton and Catherine Mary Jarman
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstones for Dalby William Elton and Catherine Mary Jarman.
Both are buried at:
Shoalhaven Lawn Cemetery
SHOALHAVEN LAWN CEMETERY, Segment 7, ROW/SECTION J, no. 20 Interment 1
Regards, Bruce
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
GAMMON
On 21/03/2015 11:05, Matthew Cunneen wrote:
Proposed Change: Gammon, Martin (I53572)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I53572&tree=MP
Description: Change of Date and Place of Death.
Date of Death: 22 May 1930
Place: Crackenback, Jindabyne, NSW
Sources:
- NSW BDM 7976/1930
- The Manaro Mercury, and Cooma and Bombala Advertiser (NSW : 1862 -
1931), issue Friday 30 May 1930
Link: http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/119079668?searchTerm=Martin%20
Gammon&searchLimits=l-state=New+South+Wales|||l-decade=193
Matthew Cunneen
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
MORGAN
From: Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 6:48 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Morgan, Miriam Gertrude (I52528)
Proposed Change: Morgan, Miriam Gertrude (I52528)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I52528&tree=MP
Description: Died in Canberra ACT on 14th May 1994.
Bruce Stubbs
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
MORGAN/BRUCE
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 6:52 PM
Subject: Headstone of Miriam Gertrude Morgan, Baden William and Barry
Milton Bruce
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstone for Miriam Gertrude Morgan, Baden William and Barry Milton Bruce
All are buried at:
Bombala Cemetery NSW
Church of England (New) Section; Row C; Position Number: 9
Regards, Bruce
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BAKER
From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 6:14 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Baker, William Joseph (I40366)
Proposed Change: Baker, William Joseph (I40366)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I40366&tree=MP
Description: Born: 1867 Araluen, NSW : NSW Birth 7388/1867 Braidwood Married
4 April 1895; Amy Ethel Rowse
Occupation: 1907 Telegraph Line Repairer
1929 Telephone Line Inspector
Children of William and Amy
1. William T Baker, born 1897 Newcastle, NSW : NSW Births 5445/1897 Newcastle; died 1897 St Peters, NSW : NSW Deaths 6362/1897 St Peters 2. John Henry Baker, born 1898 St Peters, NSW : NSW Births 15988/1898 St Peters; died 1968 Sutherland, NSW : NSW Deaths 30819/1968 Sutherland 3. Florence Amy Baler MP I190519 4. George Baker born 1905 Newcastle, NSW : NSW Births
15677/1905 Newcastle ; died 1961 Boolaroo, NSW : NSW Deaths 16866/1961 Boolaroo 5. Edna May Baker MP I84099 born 16 Oct 1907 Narara Rd, Hamilton, Newcastle, NSW : NSW Births 38049/1907 Newcastle; died 5 Oct 1985 17/488 Port Hacking Rd, Caringbah, NSW; Cremated Woronora General Cemetery & Crematorium
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BAKER
From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Baker, Florence A. (I190519)
Proposed Change: Baker, Florence A. (I190519)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I190519&tree=MP
Description: Full Name: Florence AMY Baker
Born: 1900 St Peters, Sydney : NSW Births 26358/1900 St Peters
Died: 1936 Bega, NSW : NSW Deaths 22080/1936 Bega
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
McMAHON
From:
symonds3
Sent: Friday, 20 March 2015 4:06 PM
Subject: Sarah Jane McMAHON
Hi Ian,
I have been working on my McMAHON family for a number of years, who originated in Ireland. You have one family member on the Monaro Pioneers website - Susan/Sarah McMAHON married to Thomas GUY - and I would like to pass a few details along to you that may flesh-out a few of her details regarding her parentage.
We originated in Australia with the arrival of Bryan McMAHON, an Irishman from Limerick, who enlisted in the English Army in 1808 aged 14 and fought in the Napoleonic Wars in the 39th Regiment in Messina and Malta, before being sent to Canada to fight in the American War 1812-1815. He and six others became separated from their regiment on 9th and 10th April 1815, they were tried for desertion on 24th April, and transported to Australia for Life. Bryan arrived on "Atlas" in July 1816, received a Conditional Pardon in 1832, and built the first inn at Berrima, "McMahon's Inn" on the corner of Bryan and Jellore Streets in Berrima. Bryan's first child, Allice McMAHON, was baptised in June 1830 at Bong Bong - her sponsors are shown as Patrick McMAHON and Ann MORGAN.
Bryan McMAHON's younger brother, Patrick McMAHON, also joined the English Army, the 103rd Regiment, and served in Canada before returning to England where the regiment was disbanded in 1817. Patrick's pension records show he was wounded on the right-hand side, admitted 25 June 1818, and was a Chelsea Pensioner. Patrick arrived in Australia aboard "Orpheus" as a convict guard attached to the NSW Veterans Company in 1826. Patrick McMAHON married convict Ann MORGAN on 2 August 1830 at St Matthew's Church of England, Windsor-NSW. They appear on the Convicts Permission to Marry Index, granted 7 July 1830. Patrick died 2 April 1862 at Sutton Forest, and is buried at Berrima Cemetery in an unmarked grave. His daughter His brother (my ggg-grandfather) Bryan McMAHON is also buried in Berrima Cemetery with a headstone.
Ann MORGAN was a Welsh convict, born about 1810 in Radnorshire. Ann MORGAN, aged 19, stole a silver watch from a man in Presteigne-Wales and had two previous convictions, and was transported on the "Princess Royal" arrived May 1829; on her arrival she was assigned to Lieut William BALL of the Royal Veterans at Windsor. It seems that Ann MORGAN was in and out of Sydney gaol a number of times over the years, but I haven't established for what offences. She is mentioned in Babette Smith's book "A Cargo of Women" about the women convicts on the 'Princess Royal' - "Sir Robert Peel's secretary received a letter from the visiting magistrate at the gaol in Presteigne, a small town on the Welsh/English border. The secretary assured the magistrate that while the law did not authorise females to be sent to the hulks, he would ensure the troublesome dairymaid, Ann Morgan, would be dispatched on the next available transport, which was even then preparing for the voyage. - also - The Welsh dairymaid, Ann Morgan, who had married Private Patrick McMahon in 1830, ended her seven year sentence in May 1835. Over the following six years she was regularly in Sydney gaol until she could raise the bail to get out again. There are no details of her crimes, but the records indicate her husband was still alive.
She died 7 August 1852 aged 42 years. Her abode was in Harrington Street in Sydney, and she was buried on 9 August, but her place of burial has not been confirmed - probably Devonshire Street Cemetery. She and Patrick would appear to have been estranged, as only Sarah is mentioned in the obituary; Sarah's name is also on her father's death certificate lodged by her cousin Bryan Patrick McMAHON, and likely she was still in contact with her father.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12939092
Patrick McMAHON and Ann MORGAN had only one child, Susan Jane McMAHON, born 1831, and baptised at St Mary's Cathedral in Sydney in 1831. Her name also appears in records as Sarah Jane, or only Jane, at different times. She was first married to William BAUGHURST on 18 January 1848 at St Andrew's Scots Church in Sydney. I have no other information on William BAUGHURST, but he is possibly a convict named William BANGHURST who arrived on "Aurora" in 1833 and received his Certificate of Freedom on 23 June 1841. I have no idea what became of him, but he has disappeared before 1862 when he married Sarah McMAHON. There seems to be a link between William BAUGHURST/BANGHURST and Thomas GUY, possibly business partners, and Sarah has married Thomas GUY following the death of William -
Sadly, Sarah/Susan/Jane died 28 September 1862, only 25 days after her marriage to Thomas GUY, and 5 months after the death of her father.
Hoping some of the above information may prove useful to you.
Best wishes, Trish Symonds
Nowra NSW
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
RIXON
On 19/03/2015 14:03, Matt wrote:
Proposed Change: Rixon, Mary Louise (I54064)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I54064&tree=MP
Description: Change of Date and Place of Death.
Correct details:
Date of Death: 17 December 2003
Place of Death: Toronto, NSW, Australia
Matt
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
MANSFIELD
On 19/03/2015 11:07, Bruce Stubbs wrote:
Proposed Change: Mansfield, Maria Jane (I230993)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I230993&tree=MP
[1]
Description: Children also:
James Hopkins I303667 (father is listed as John on death certificate)
William Mustard I16442 (father is listed as William on death
certificate)
John Charles Mansfield I82117 (died 19th Sept 1935 in Redfern - listed
as Richardson. BDM NSW Index 12794/1935. father = Richardson (this is
his step-father)
Bruce Stubbs
Thanks Bruce,
Can you please tell me when and where James Hopkins died?
Regards, Ian
Hi
Ian,
James died 25 Sept 1963 in Rosanna VIC.
Attached is his headstone of his and Elizabeth Jane Cameron's grave.
Bruce
What Cemetery are they
buried in?
Ian
Hi Ian,
James and his wife and two children are all buried at the Warringal Cemetery, Heidelberg VIC.
Regards, Bruce
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
HARTNEADY
On 19/03/2015 10:53, Marian Donnelly wrote:
Proposed Change: Hartneady, Mary (I248860)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I248860&tree=MP
Description: As I am travelling to Ireland I was interested in "Farcia County Clare" where Mary Hartneady was noted to have been born. I did some research to see where it was and kept coming up with blanks for Farcia. After a bit of web searching I have come to the conclusion that "Farcia" is a misspelling and it should be FEAKLE. There are a few referenced to the Hartneady Family in Feakle County Clare.
Marian Donnelly
Hi Marian,
Thanks for letting us know.
Regards, Ian
PEISLEY
On 18/03/2015 16:58, Kaye Bedingfield wrote:
Proposed Change: Peisley, Jessie (I241164)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I241164&tree=MP
Description: Jessica Canice Peisley
Born 28th December 1914, Died 7th June 1963 aged 48 Buried Catholic Section of Bombala Cemetery.
Married Kevin Arthur Bedingfield 1st January 1941 Five children - Lawrence John Bedingfield Janice Mary Bedingfield Kaye Elizabeth Bedingfield Michael Gerard Bedingfield Timothy Joseph Bedingfield
Kaye Bedingfield
Thank you Kaye,
Regards, Ian
TURNER/ROBINSON
From:
Wayne Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2015 8:27 PM
Subject: Corrections to listing on Monaro Pioneers
Hi Ian,
I wish to draw your attention to a number of errors in the list of Irene Lillian
Turner and Philip Allen Mark Robinson (incorrectly spelt as "Phillip Alan Mark
Robinson") my grandparents:
1. The spelling of my grandfathers names is incorrect and should be spelt as "Philip Allen Mark Robinson" as per his marriage certificate NSW BDM 1467/1938 and Cooma Cemetery list for lawn plot 559.
2. The "Children from the marriage were" is incorrectly ordered and should be as follows:
Children from this marriage were
F i. Rosalind Lillian Robinson was born in 1939 in Cooma, NSW and died in 1939 in Cooma, NSW.
F ii. Margaret Lillian Robinson
M iii. Phillip James Robinson
F iv. June Victoria Robinson
M v. Anthony Owen Robinson
3. Note the above correction for Rosalind as per NSW BDM death certificate 897/1939 which also has a second listing as name "stillborn".
Should you require further details or clarification, please don't hesitate to contact me.
Regards, Wayne Anderson
Hi Wayne,
Thank you for letting us know,
Regards, Ian
SMITH
From:
Stephen Kelly
Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2015 6:04 PM
Subject: Changes to my Grandmother's entry on the Eden Monaro Pioneers
Hi Ian
After some extensive research exploring my grandmothers family, I would like to offer the following to your database:
My Grandmother: Alice Maud SMITH
ID: I70696
Ref No: MP 70696
Born: She was born 19 June 1879 in Bombala, NSW. (According to your database she was born is the USA; which is incorrect).
Died: Ballarat, Victoria 1966
Buried: Colac, Victoria
Alice Maud Smiths father was: Henry Smith
Born: 1835/6
Died: 1 August 1920 (Aged 84)
Buried: Bombala Cemetery, NSW
Henrys Father: Charles Smith
Henrys Mother: Unknown
Alice Maud Smiths Mother was: Elizabeth Anne Smith (nee Adams)
Born: 1849/8
Died: 17 November 1929 (Aged 80)
Buried: With her husband Henry Smith at Bombala Cemetery, NSW
Elizabeths Father: Thomas Adams
Elizabeths Mother: Roseanne Adams
Henry and Elizabeth Smiths Children:
1. Alice Maud Smith (my grandmother details above)
2. Harry George Smith b. 1881 Bombala, NSW m. Caroline A Whitby 1911 d. 1957 Petersham
3. Ellen Edith Smith b. 1882 Bombala, NSW
4. Ada Smith b. 1884 Bombala, NSW m. Fredrick W Newport 1905 d. 1980
5. Beatrice Smith b. 1887 d. 1889
Hope this helps? Happy to support your database.
Stephen Kelly
Hi Stephen,
Thank you for the information.
Regards, Ian
Hi Ian
Sorry to do this to you. Can you please hold off on making the changes re my Grandmother Alice Maud Kelly. One of my sisters has alerted me to some problems in the reliability of the info I forwarded to you. I am now concerned that it is incorrect. As you would appreciate, it is extremely difficult when trying to identify my family roots with the name of Smith. Just when you think you have it right, you are knocked backwards to the starting point of the journey time and time again.
Once again, my apologies. I sincerely thought I had 'cracked the nut' this time, but alas, no.
Thanks, Stephen Kelly
Hi Stephen,
We already had your Smith family in our database with only the link to Alice Maud and Charles Kelly missing. We can always correct it should you discover any more incorrect entries.
Regards, Ian
BROWNING/McRAE
From:
Sylvia Bowman
Sent: 2015-03-17 4:48 PM
Subject: McRae's in the Monaro area attn. Kevin Browning
Hi David, can you relay this message to Mr. Kevin Browning, I'm not sure that his email is still the one on the Monaro Web site.
Some time ago like maybe 2 yrs. I contacted him regarding a posting he made about a Mr. Donald McRae. Kevin posted a cutting out of a newspaper about Mr. Donald McRae going on a walk to get his morning paper and died.
From a book which I purchased at one of the Clan Gatherings in Toukley on the Central Coast NSW that had been published under the name Macraes Down Under, compiles from genealogies supplied by members of the Macrae Family History group, Flora Willmott and Jack McRae.
I had a feeling when I saw the clipping that it could be my line of family from my grandmother Sylvia Mary McRae.
And today yep, Kevin and I are related. Not only by this family but the marrying of brother/sister to sister/brother as well.
I guess you can tell I'm excited. I think it means that Kevin and I are related.
I don't know where Kevin's family come into the picture, but we had, on 14th February, 2015 a clan gathering in Armidale to attend the AGM (members of the newsletter) and the Laird of the McRae clan, Hon. Marigold McRae and her daughter the constable of the Eilean Donan Castle in Scotland were touring Aus. and NZ. We had a great time.
I won't babble on but a lot of information on the McRae's in the Monaro could be accessed by this book. I'll look to purchase another copy and send it to the Monaro Pioneers, or better still the last male member of my family is my Dad's
brother Harry Bowman, in Canberra. Alas Harry is in his 90's and has Dementia.
Phew!
Hi Sylvia,
No luck with sending the emails to Kevin so the fall-back position will be to publish your email in the next MP Newsletter.
Cheers, David
GRANT
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Tuesday, 17 March 2015 7:36 AM
Subject: Headstone of Colin Allan Grant
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstone for Colin Allan Grant.
He is buried at
Woronora General Cemetery & Crematorium Sutherland NSW
Loc: Anglican; Section: 6; Position: 0869
Regards, Bruce
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
WARREN
From: Katrina
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2015 7:06 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Warren, Edith Ann (I70785)
Proposed Change: Warren, Edith Ann (I70785)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I70785&tree=MP
Description: Edith Ann Warren was born 6 January 1884 and died 11 June 1974 at Canley Vale.
Katrina
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
WARREN
From: Katrina
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2015 7:01 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Warren, Thomas (I70778)
Proposed Change: Warren, Thomas (I70778)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I70778&tree=MP
Description: Thomas Warren died 17 July 1887 at Billylingera and was buried 19 July 1887 at Cooma as per his death certificate
Katrina
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
WARREN
From: Katrina
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2015 6:56 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Warren, Thomas (I70787)
Proposed Change: Warren, Thomas (I70787)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I70787&tree=MP
Description: Thomas Warren was born 12 October 1854 Goulburn and baptised 26 January 1855 at St Saviours Church. His parents were Thomas Warren and Sarah Pheobe. Thomas died 4 October 1887 at Nimitybelle and was buried in the old church of England cemetery Nimitybelle. All information as per his birth and death certificates.
Katrina
Thank you Katrina, we can add a copy of his BC and DC to his record in our database if you wish to supply them.
Regards, Ian
IVILL
From: Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2015 9:06 AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Ivill, Mary Alma (I265101)
Proposed Change: Ivill, Mary Alma (I265101)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I265101&tree=MP
Description: Mary's parents are Whelan, Julia Grace ID I58847 and Ivill, Percival Augustus, I93290
Bruce Stubbs
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
ROZYNSKI
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2015 8:23 AM
Subject: Headstone of Marion Mary Ann Rozynski
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstone for Marion Rozynski.
Marion was buried in the General Section; Row I; Position Number: 83 of the Delegate Cemetery NSW.
Regards, Bruce
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
STURGESS/LANE
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2015 8:07 AM
Subject: Headstone of David Henry Sturgess and Mary Rowley Lane
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstone for David Henry Sturgess and Mary Rowley Lane.
Both are buried in the Church of England Section of the Orbost and District Cemetery.
Regards, Bruce
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
STURGESS/ALLEN
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2015 7:51 AM
Subject: Headstone for John Sturgess and Anne Frances Allen
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstone for John Sturgess and Anne Frances Allen.
Regards, Bruce
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
SMITH
From: Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2015 7:37 AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Smith, Alfred Donald (I58971)
Proposed Change: Smith, Alfred Donald (I58971)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I58971&tree=MP
Description: Death = 21 JUL 1993 (Ryerson Index)
Bruce Stubbs
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
SIVEWRIGHT/MARTIN
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2015 7:31 AM
Subject: Headstone for Robert Sivewright and Mary Ann Martin
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstone for Robert Sivewright and Mary Ann Martin.
Regards, Bruce
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
WOODS
From: Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Monday, 16 March 2015 7:22 AM
Subject: Proposed Change: Woods, Edmund Francis (I3913)
Proposed Change: Woods, Edmund Francis (I3913)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I3913&tree=MP
Description: Death = 31 JAN 1983 at Erowal Bay (Ryerson Index)
Bruce Stubbs
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
ROBERTS
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2015 2:08 PM
Subject: Headstone of Lionel Vernon Roberts
Hi David and Ian,
Attached is the headstone of James Frederick Victor Roberts.
Buried at
Rookwood Necroplois, Anglican & General Cemetery Trusts, Rookwood NSW
Area: Angelican; Pvte 1039; 18 Batt ALF; Section 15; Row 30; Grave No. 4588
Regards, Bruce
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
GROGAN/ROBERTS
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2015 2:04 PM
Subject: Headstone of George Grogan and Myrtle Roberts
Hi David and Ian,
Attached is the headstone for George Grogin (Grogan) and Myrtle Roberts.
Buried at
Rookwood Necroplois, Anglican & General Cemetery Trusts, Rookwood NSW
Area: Anglican; Section 7; Row 19; Plot 747/748
Regards, Bruce
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
NICHOLSON
From: Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2015 1:16 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Nicholson, Joan (I266852)
Proposed Change: Nicholson, Joan (I266852)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I266852&tree=MP
Description: Middle name = Elizabeth.
Married in 1954 in Marrickville NSW (BDM NSW Index 16445/1954)to David Smallwood Pearse.
Died 29th April 2008 in Warilla NSW (Ryerson Index).
David was born in 1921 and died 24th June 2005 in Warilla NSW (Ryerson Index)
Bruce Stubbs
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
BROWNLIE
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2015 1:28 PM
Subject: Headstone of James and Ameila Brownlie
Hi Ian and David,
Attached is the headstone for James Brownlie and Amelia Jane Rixon.
Buried at
Rookwood Necroplois, Anglican & General Cemetery Trusts, Rookwood NSW
Area: Anglican; Section 13; Row: 9; Grave Number: 0000206
Regards, Bruce
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
DWYER
On 13/03/2015 07:42, Kevin Wallace wrote:
Proposed Change: Dwyer, Bridget (I257849)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I257849&tree=MP
Description: National Library of Australia - Trove
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW: 1842 1954) Friday December 31, 1875.
Page 5.
BRAIDWOOD.
THURSDAY
An inquest was held at Upper Araluen on the body of Mrs. Joseph Roberts, who fell into a diggers' hole last Monday, after being at a party. She died yesterday . From the appearance of the body, foul play was suspected. A verdict of accidental death was returned.
* * * * * * * * * * *
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW: 1842 1954) Friday January 7, 1876.
Page 5.
EXTRAORDINARY VERDICT - At an inquest hold last week, at Araluen, before the Braidwood coroner and a jury of twelve men, touching the death of an old lady named Bridget Roberts, the local journal reports that this intelligent jury handed in the following verdict:- "That deceased came by her death through accidentally falling into a hole of decomposed granite on 27th December instant."
Kevin Wallace
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROBERTS
On 13/03/2015 07:38, Kevin Wallace wrote:
Proposed Change: Roberts, Joseph (I257848)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I257848&tree=MP
Description: National Library of Australia - Trove
Freeman's Journal (Sydney, NSW: 1850 1932) Saturday November 25, 1877.
Page 9.
COUNRTY CORRESPONDENCE
ARALUEN.
(From our Correspondent.)
Sad and violent deaths appear to be the order of the day. I chronicled one in your columns about a fortnight ago; it now becomes my duty to give the main facts of another heartrending case which occurred last Wednesday night. A man named Joseph Roberts was driving his sister to her home in Upper Arnluen on the night mentioned at abut half-past 9 o'clock, when the cart in which they were riding suddenly bumped considerably, throwing the driver out of his cart on to the top of his head as he never spoke more. Death must have been instantaneous. The funeral took place on Saturday last, and was very largely attended. I should have mentioned that an inquest was held on the body at Mrs. Costello's hotel, Araluen, by the Coroner Bonn, Esq., J.P. After hearing the evidence, the jury (6) returned the following verdict, "That the deceased was killed by being accidentally thrown out of a cart .
Kevin Wallace
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
BLISS
From:
Pam Birchall
Sent: Thursday, 12 March 2015 9:05 PM
Subject: Bliss Family
Hello Ian,
With Anzac Day so close Ive been doing a little bit of research here at The Heads to try & help our very busy R S L Secretary complete the Deceased Members File which goes back quite a few years. Some of the records before he was elected have been archived so Im trying to fill in some gaps. So that led to talk about family trees so I looked up Ancestry and there was his tree done so wasnt he lucky.
Yesterday I was talking to his wife {weve not met as she is not a well lady & doesnt attend meetings etc.} and she thanked me for giving Phill the information and yes, the conversation turned to her tree & I said, if, someone had also put her tree on Ancestry I would print it out for her. Of course I couldnt be so lucky but Ive been doing some looking & turned to your site as I usually do & there was the Bliss family. I had also found a very great deal on the Bliss Family online by googling George Henry Bliss + . Im sure youll have seen it already, but if not, well >>> Shirley Anne nee Connell and is the Granddaughter of Alice V.M. Bliss who married Nicholas M Connell. Shirley seems to think the Connells were OConnells before they came to Australia.
So, I just wanted to say thank you for what you have on your site, especially for giving Shirley a Convict. Once I find some time to do some research Ill pass on what I find. That is after Im back from Qld. and my model train Convention.
As always, my best regards, Pam..
Thanks Pam,
Regards, Ian
VENABLES
From:
Jeff Lehmann
Sent: Wednesday, 11 March 2015 7:07 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers
Hello Ian,
I am a researcher for the Sale & District Family History group.
We are at present researching the older homes in Sale and who Lived in them or owned the properties.
One such property was purchased by Thomas Venables. Thomas married Ellen Thomson.
We have found his marriage and his 12 children. On your site there is a photograph of Thomas and Ellen.
I have emailed dorothymulvihill@hotmail.com for permission to use it in our publication. To date there has
been no response. Is it possible through you to obtain permission to use it and do you have a short story about
Thomas and Ellen we could use, also their birth and death dates.
Regards, Sandy Lehmann
Hi Sandy,
Is your organisation planning to charge a fee for the results of your efforts?
Regards, Ian
Thanks for your reply Ian,
Yes, once we have the publication put together we sell the books raise funds to keep our group going. Unfortunately we are not eligible for other funding so we have to raise it ourselves.
The photograph would be on a page with the Bon Accord home and the person or group who own the photograph acknowledged as a contributor.
regards, Sandy
P.S If you are interested we have a facebook page and a listing on flika.
Hi Sandy,
You have already used the only contact information we have. Any other information we have is already on our website.
Regards, Ian
From:
Chris Livingstone
Sent: 2015-03-11 2:22 PM
Subject: Newspaper Clippings and Grave Photos
Hi hard working fellows,
I really appreciate for your hard work on your website and I want to help you!
1. I have been extensively finding in Troves and attending libraries to search for Birth, Death, Obituaries and Marriages Notices has given me clues of information is very helpful to add in my tree. If any are in your website do you wish a copy of the newspaper clippings?
2. I have been at Queanbeyan and Michelago Cemeteries in 2013, and other Cemeteries including Rookwood and took grave photos of my ancestors that is in my tree, not all of them and have watermarked it because it is my hard work but I am happy to share it in your website. Will you be happy have my photos watermarked 'says taken by clivo1961@tpg.com.au to put in your website?
Please let me know if you want them to which email address? I rather email it to you rather post a CD.
Warm Regards, Chris
Hi Chris,
Yes we welcome any headstone images you can contribute (even with a watermark).
Preferably we would like to receive transcriptions of any newspaper entries if possible, saves space and can be more appropriately attached to the event in an individual's record.
Regards, Ian
BUTLER
On 11/03/2015 13:40, Chris Livingstone wrote:
Proposed Change: Butler, George David (I98976)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I98976&tree=MP
Description: He died on 19th October 1890 at Bombala. The source is from 2 newspapers is The Sydney Morning Herald on Thursday 23 October 1890, page 1 and Evening News on Thursday 30 October 1890, page 2.
Is he is buried at Bombala Cemetery? I have seen someone took all graves at Bombala Cemetery is sharing with you from previous newsletter, I would appreciate a copy asp?
Many thanks, Chris
Thank you Chris, the last 3 years newsletters are available to view on our website.
I can find no record of his burial in the Bombala Cemetery lists.
Regards, Ian
AXELBY
On 11/03/2015 08:56, Kevin Wallace wrote:
Proposed Change: Axelby, Keith Albert (I347711)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I347711&tree=MP
Description: Marriage of Keith Albert Axelby and Tessie Sharp
The Canberra Times (ACT: 1926-1995) Wednesday February 16, 1944 Page 4.
WEDDING
Axelby Sharp
The wedding took place at St. John's on Saturday, February 5, of Tessie third daughter of Mr. and Mrs. T. Sharp, of Westridge, to Keith, second son of Cpl. and Mrs. A. Axelby, of Westridge.
The bride, who entered the church on the arm of her father, wore a charming old world style frock of satin brocaded taffeta and an embroidered veil which fell from a coronet of orange blossom and tulle. She carried a bouquet of frangipanai and carnations.
She was attended by her sister Dulcie, who chose old gold lace over taffeta, with a matching veil which was held in place by a top knot of tiger lilies. She carried a bouquet of tiger lilies and delphiniums.
The flower girls were the nieces of the bride and looked sweet in green georgette frocks. They carried baskets of roses and hydrangeas.
The groom's brother Colin Axelby, was best man.
While the Register was being signed Mr. J. Owens sang "Because."
After the ceremony 70 guests were received by Mrs. Sharp, who wore a black and white frock with black accessories. The groom's mother also chose black and white.
Kevin Wallace
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
UMBACK
From:
Laurie
Sent: Tuesday, 10 March 2015 9:14 PM
Subject: Death Notice Pat Umback
Hi Ian,
I am enclosing the death notice for inclusion in the Monaro Pioneers Index. Also in the Bega District News of 10/3/2015.
Taken from the Merimbula News of 10/3/1915. I notice he is not listed with George and Winifred's other children (who are now deceased) on the Monaro Pioneers Index. Looks like he would have a large family to add as well.
Regards, Laurie Marlin
PAT UMBACK
12/10/1926 ~ 20/01/2015
Youngest son of George & Winifred Umback (both dec) Brother of Fred, Joe, Alf,
Jean, Tom (all dec) of Wyndham
He is survived by his wife Grace, six children, thirteen grandchildren, two
great grandchildren.
He successfully run Umbacks Tractor/diesel service at the Rock for 60 years.
Sadly Missed
04/03/2015 - DEATH NOTICES
Thank you Laurie,
Regards, Ian
JACKSON/AH HUNG
On 10/03/2015 17:43, ramona wrote:
Proposed Change: Bombala, NSW
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/placesearch.php?tree=MP&psearch=Bombala%2C+NSW
Description: Ellen Jackson married Ah hung on 8th January 1876
ramona
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BEDINGFIELD
On 10/03/2015 14:25, Kaye Bedingfield wrote:
Proposed Change: Bedingfield, James Montague (I31949)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I31949&tree=MP
Description: I have no record of an Emily Bedingfield but have to request changes of details to others and an addition of one please.
Kevin Bedingfield son of James Montague Bedingfield - born 28/9/16 died 22/7/1990 Marion was born 18/12/1910, died October 1910 Aileen was born 21/2/1912, died 24/2/1912 Desmond was born 17/12/1914
Kaye Bedingfield
Thank you Kaye,
Regards, Ian
GOOD/CAMPBELL
From:
Judith Quinn
Sent: 2015-03-08 10:20 AM
Subject: RE: Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
Dear David
Thank you for the latest newsletter which prompted me to have another look at the website.
My grandmother is Linda Gunning (Campbell) reference MP331967. My research differs to what appears on the website and I would be grateful for any assistance/confirmation from any of your members as I have come to a brick wall.
From my research:
Robert Allendale Campbell and Mary Ann Good were married 19/7/1883 (see attached); had one child William James Campbell born 15/1/1884 who died short thereafter. Mary Ann died 26/8/1888 and is buried at Enfield Cemetery (death transcript attached).
Robert Campbell died 9/2/1939 (death transcript attached) which shows his wife as Mary Anne Good. This has caused much confusion because the first Mary Ann Campbell died in 1888 but the second Mary Ann Campbell died in 1936 (see attached death transcript). So it appears he had two partners, both named Mary Ann, but details for the second Mary Ann have been interposed with the details of the first Mary Ann. I THINK.
Linda was born 31/8/1893. Her birth was not registered but confirmed through her baptism at Goulburn (baptised Elizabeth) where her parents are shown as Robert Campbell and Mary Walshe. From her fathers death transcript it shows his last child as Donald (born 2/11/1913) and a copy of his birth transcript is attached and shows his mother as Mary Ann Good (which couldnt be as she died in 1883).
I also think Robert Allendale had another son, Archibald born about 1890. Attached is a copy of Olive Campbells birth transcript (born 12/12/1897). This was also used as confirmation of my grandmothers birth.
There is a lot of confusion within this family. From my grandmothers marriage certificate, it shows her mother as Mary Agnes Wallace. From various baptismal certificates of her siblings it shows Mary Agnes Walsh(e).
So I think Mary Agnes Good was the mother to Roberts first child, William, but not to the other children.
My brick wall is who is my great grandmother?
David, any comment or thoughts would be appreciated.
Regards, Judith Quinn
Hi Judith,
Quite a puzzle you have. There is certainly no way to clearly resolve the matter from the certificates you supplied. Which only leaves "educated guesses". A couple of possible clues, the first being the fact that Mary Ann Campbell nee Good the first, died in Heydon Street, Enfield, Sydney and the death informant was James Witton of the same address - were they in a relationship before her death?
Second, if Robert and Mary were separated at the time of her death, was Robert in a relationship with Mary Anne/Agnes Wallace/ Walshe and they simply had the second Mary Anne/Agnes assume the identity of the first Mary Ann for convenience.
There is an Annie M. Good born to Benjamin and Mary Good (Mary Ann the 1st's sister) but she is born in 1887 which is far too young to be the mysterious Mary Anne/Agnes the 2nd.
From the certificates there is obviously another female unaccounted for.
Sorry I can't be of much help but I have changed our records to best reflect what you have established.
Regards, Ian
Thank you so much Ian.
It does look like the second Mary assumed the identity of the first Mary but I have no idea why and I dont know how or what to do to try and clarify further.
There is certainly no way to clearly resolve the matter from the certificates you supplied what other certificates could I obtain which may help?
If I could only find others researching this family, they may have some clues but I am thinking no one else has come up with the two Marys, everyone has accepted it as has been on your website.
If you think of anything I can do I would be most appreciative.
Thanking you, Judith
Hi Judith,
I think your only hope is to find a descendant of the family who has family knowledge.
Regards, Ian
ARMSTRONG
From: Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2015 7:48 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Armstrong, Mary A. (I146218)
Proposed Change: Armstrong, Mary A. (I146218)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I146218&tree=MP
Description: Mary A is Mary Ann Armstrong, born 1911. Mother to June Margaret Young (I231080)
Bruce Stubbs
Thank you Bruce,
Your MP Facebook page initiative is an outstanding success and a marvellous addition to the Eden Monaro cause and I for one congratulate you for the effort and ongoing support.
Regards, Ian
HAMMOND
From:
Janice Williams
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2015 8:30 PM
Subject: William Edward Hargraves Hammond
Dear Ian,
Ive been checking the family tree for my cousins and came across your conversation with Lynne Hammond on the Monaro Pioneers website.
My cousins are descendents of Florence E Hammond born in Paddington. After looking at NSW Birth Deaths and Marriages Florences parents are William E H Hammond and Mary. I found the marriage certificate for William and Mary Keane in 1876. I also found William E H Hammond born in 1851 to parents Henry and Ellen. Henry Hammond and Eleanor McQuigan married 1848. According to Lynnes email Williams brother Arthur was born in 1849(I didnt find anything for his birth). I found a death certificate in for Ellen Hammond in 1855. The marriage certificate for a Henry Hammond and Jane Reynolds states they were married in 1857. Jane Reynolds is Henry Hammonds second wife and she isnt the mother of Arthur or William Hammond. Coming into a conversation and not knowing the full story can be hard to work out. You might already know this information but this is what I discovered.
Kind regards, Janice Williams
Hi Janice,
Thank you for the email, yes we do in fact have a lot more detail on the Hammond family in our database which is available for you to search and peruse.
Regards, Ian
BOADEN'S/STARR
From:
David
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
Hi Ian,
Enjoy reading the newsletter each month and whilst it is lengthy, is certainly worth the read. In this month's newsletter, I was amazed to come across an item that I would have overlooked if only glancing at the names. In this instance "Brown" submitted by James Read (signed off C Read) that name meant nothing but the "Read" did due to some connections on my wife's side.
Even more exciting was when I read the article I saw the name "Elwin Timothy Starr" now that was exciting because he is my Great Uncle, his sister is my Grandmother.
If at the contributor of this article is interested I have a tree on the Boaden's & Starr's that may have information that may be of help to him/her.
Just shows you that you should read each article, you never know what you will find. happy for you to pass on my email address to the Reads if they are interested in following anything up.
Kind Regards, David McKay
Hi David,
Thank you for the kind words, it is very gratifying to hear you have found the newsletter of interest and value.
The email address for James is .. 'James Read'
Regards, Ian
QUINN
From:
Elizabeth Sherry
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2015 4:43 PM
Subject: Louisa Quinn
Dear Ian
The following letter was posted in the latest newsletter
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QUINN
From: Joan Butt
Sent: Sunday, 15 February 2015 5:09 PM
Subject: Family Tree information
Hello Ian
Not sure if you can help at My name is Joan Butt and I am the grandaughter of Louisa Ernestine Quinn born Delegate 1900. She gave birth to my father Louis Desmond Quinn in 1916 and passed away 2 weeks later as a result of the pregnancy . The person responsible for the pregnancy was a Thomas Johnson and I would like to find out if there was ever a marriage between Louisa & Thomas. My Great Grandmother was Mary Jane Quinn (nee Foley) she had Louisa to a Mr Henry Clarke as a result of their affair. This was after Marys Janes husband Lawrence Quinn passed away.(1898) Trying to find what the legal name of my father should be as we are unable to obtain his birth certificate. I would appreciate any information if possible so that I can do more for the family Tree. Thank you in advance Joan Butt
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I have downloaded a newspaper clipping from Trove that gives Joan some of the information she was after. Not pleasant reading but explains the circumstances. I am attaching the article and was hoping you would be able to forward it to her as her email address is not given.
Regards Betty Sherry
Hi Elizabeth,
Joan's email address is 'Joan Butt'
Regards, Ian
ROGAN
From:
Nathaniel jaggers
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2015 12:51 PM
Subject: help contacting a contriutor
Greetings Ian. In your last newsletter there was a section on ROGAN 13.2.15 from a gent named Tony Paul. He mentioned The Rogue of Rogans Hill My g g g grandfather was John Rogan who was granted land at what is now called Rogans Hill in 1818 by Gov Macquarie. I would like to contact Tony so that we can compare notes. Could you please give him my email address
John was a bit of a rogue.
On 21st April 1821 the "Sydney Gazette" reported that John Rogan had been appointed a constable for the districts of Castle Hill and Pennant Hills. Four months later (8th September) the same paper reported that William Fishburn had replaced John Rogan as constable. The latter had been dismissed for drunkenness and neglect of duty
Then there was this record of road rage :
On 18th July 1818, in the "Sydney Gazette", John offered this apology: he said that, "in the most wanton manner" he attacked the person and property of Mr James Smith by driving his cart purposely against the one-horse carriage of Mr Smith, and used insulting language to Mr Smith. Mr Smith instituted proceedings against John Rogan, but consented to drop the charges if John would publicly apologise and pay all costs.
Nat Jaggers
Hi Nat,
The contact email address is ..
Regards, Ian
From: Bruce Stubbs
Sent:
Sunday, 8 March 2015 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
Hi David and Ian,
Did you receive the correspondence I did from the Facebook page for Feb?
Regards
Bruce
On Sunday, 8 March 2015, 8:36, David Knox wrote:
Dear Bruce Stubbs,
The February 2015 edition of the Monaro Pioneers Newsletter is now available from the Monaro Pioneers website.
Here is the link to access this edition .....
http://www.monaropioneers.com/Newsletter/MP%20NEWSLETTER-2015-2.htm
Thank you & enjoy,
David Knox
Newsletter Editor
Monaro Pioneers
Hi Bruce,
Yes, we received your information. Given you supplied a copy of what is already on Facebook we decided not to reprint it in the newsletter but to encourage people to use the facebook page. We do have space constraints on our website so it is necessary to be selective of what we display.
The success of your page is extraordinary and I do think an article that describes the page and what people are using it for would certainly be suitable for the newsletter. Would you be able to create such an article?
Regards, Ian
BOYD
From:
Ronald Boyd
Sent: Sunday, 8 March 2015 10:03 AM
Subject: Marjorie Hope Boyd (Went)
Hi Ian can you possibly update the web page details on my mother Marjorie Hope Boyd (Went) Daughter of George Henry Went
167 ID personal ID 167591
Born Monday 8 November 1924 Pambula Hospital NSW
Died 17 December 2008 Rothwell Aged Care; Rothwell, Brisbane Qld
Cremated 24 December 2008 Norwood park Mitchell ACT
28 July 2012, Marjorie ashes were spread on the waters at the South Western End of the Batemans Bay Bridge abutment.
Photo attached of Marjorie.
I note you have a note
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At least one living or private individual is linked to this note - Details withheld. |
I do not quiet understand who this person is and as
Marjorie is my mother I give my permission to add these details to your website
on our family.
I think personally a photo adds more to the person that just their BDM details
Thanking You, Ronald Boyd
Hi Ronald,
Thank you for the information and the Photo.
Regards, Ian
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