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Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
2015 Number 5
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
MONARO PIONEERS now on Facebook
The Monaro Pioneers website now has its own Facebook page which is accessible at the following URL:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/893648944008345/
The Monaro Pioneers Facebook page is another source to use to gather family history information.
The MP Facebook is another tool use to help build on the Monaro Pioneers database.
The MP Facebook page is a member base Facebook page.
Once members are approved, members usually send a thank you and a brief message how they are connected to the Eden/Monaro areas.
Members can then exchange family connections i.e. how they are related to each other.
Members are welcome to add photos, exchange information or connect to new family members.
Milestones such as the number of members are posted every few weeks.
A reminder post is posted to the Facebook page for members to refer to the Monaro Pioneers website for further information and to arrange for any updates needed on the database.
Photos that are added to the Facebook page may also be added to the MP database.
Members can connect to other members directly and send messages, etc. if necessary.
BOOK - TOWARDS MRS KEEFE'S FARM
From:
John S. Trengove
Sent: 2015-03-11 2:41 PM
Subject: Monaro history
Dear David Knox,
From one whom has a long held interest in the history of the Monaro, I have recently released a book entitled "Towards Mrs Keefe's Farm", in which your newsletter readers may be interested .
Please see attachment (Book now available.pdf) announcing the availability of the book - a PDF e-book which brings much of the history of the Monaro of New South Wales, and the life of conditionally pardoned convict Joseph Wild, together in one fully illustrated work of 424 pages.
Thanking you, and Monaro Pioneers for the excellent work you are doing.
From John S. Trengove (Author)
78 Botha Avenue, Reservoir
Melbourne, 3073
(03) 9469 2990
BOOK - A FAMILY BEGAN WITH LOVE - JOHN AND MARTHA LOVE
From:
margaret cooper [mailto:landmdcooper@optusnet.com.au]
Sent: 2015-05-21 1:16 PM
To:
nl@monaropioneers.com
Subject: LOVE FAMILY BOOK
Hi David
I still have a few copies left of the family history I wrote in 2011 - “A Family Began with Love” – John and Martha Love – 220 Years of their descendants and associated families. Plus updates as an Addendum to the book.
If anyone is interested, please contact me landmdcooper@optusnet.com.au
With thanks
Margaret Cooper
REQUESTS:
BOOK WANTED - BRECON TO THE MONARO AND BEYOND
From:
Storey, Susan
Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2015 10:12 AM
Subject: Brecon to the Monaro and beyond
Good morning Ian .
I am wanting to buy a copy of Brecon to the Monaro and beyond volume two by Lynne Stevens .Would you know where I could get a copy ?
Kind regards Susan Storey
Hi Susan,
We can add your request to our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers can help you.
Regards, Ian
HENRY GRANT REUNION
From:
haylockmaree
Sent: 2015-05-15 6:39 PM
Subject: Grant Reunion
Clan
Grant Reunion
Wyndham. N.S.W.
October 3rd, 4th and 5th , 2015
A reunion of the descendants of Henry Grant is planned to be held in Wyndham NSW on October 3rd, 4th, and 5th 2015.
Hello David,
I was pleased to receive your email. Thank you for the promotion - I have
received emails from descendants who accessed the information on the Monaro
Pioneers website.
Are you planning to attend the reunion?
I am hoping that this reunion will afford us the chance to record details of our
family lines to the present day children. We appreciate the opportunity the
website affords us to spread the word so that hopefully we will achieve this
task.
My apologies for the time lapse between emails but we have been refining the
plans for the reunion.
I am sending two attachments with this email.
The first is the planned program for the Grant Reunion on the 3rd, 4th and 5th
October 2015 at Wyndham NSW.
Please circulate this information to as many descendants as you have contact
with. Also if you have any documents on the Grants, which you would be willing
to share, please bring it on the weekend. We plan to have a copier (as original
documents are precious) and the copies would be added to the displays.
Work on the grave of Henry Grant at the Wyndham Cemetery is planned and will be
dedicated on this weekend and the second attachment is a request for donations
for the cost of this work.
Is it possible to add both these attachments to the web site?
Contact details are:
Maree Haylock 0419578412 You have my email address
Nancy Grant
pjncgrant@msn.com
0264942127
Barbara Grant 0264942124
If you have any further questions please email me.
Kind regards
Maree (Grant) Haylock
WILLOUGHBY REUNION
From:
Sue Zammit
Sent: 2014-09-26 7:28 PM
Subject: WILLOUGHBY REUNION 2015 AT BRAIDWOOD NSW
Hello David
I would like to introduce myself. My name is Sue Zammit and I live in Gisborne, Victoria. My fathers mothers family were the Smith family from Braidwood NSW. The father was Joseph Smith Born in 1843 in Pinxton, Derbyshire England. He married in 1867 in New Zealand to Mary Jane Granger She was born in 1853 in Surrey, England. They went on to have 16 children. The moved to Braidwood New South Wales, Australia in 1891 and Mary Jane went on to have another3 children, one of which was my grandmother Ethel Dorothea Louisa Smith. One of the Smith girls married into the Willoughby family that was settled in Braidwood. That is where the reunion starts. The Willoughby reunion is to be held at the RSL Club in Braidwood on 26,27,28 Sept 2015 There is a Facebook page under Willoughby reunion. I was wondering if you may be able to put a notice on your web site adverting for any descendents of John Willoughby and Mary Ann Mills. She was a half cast aboriginal. I have loads of information on the whole family if your are interested. I can be contacted at email suzyq14@bigpond.com There should be a very healthy turnout as the Willoughby clan is huge.
Many thanks for your time, hope to hear back from you .
Kind regards Sue Zammit (Gisborne, Victoria)
CURRENT CORRESPONDENCE:
LAW
From: Tracey
Featherby
Sent: Saturday, 6 June 2015 2:20 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneers website - additional information RE Andrew LAW
Hi Ian,
My name is Tracey Featherby (nee Barwell-Cook). My previous email contact was mtnfeath@bigpond.net.au, but we no longer use Bigpond so this is my current contact email. I have previously submitted information about Andrew Law, as I am descended from him through his first marriage to Margaret REIDY (or REILLY).
As I was reading some of the newspaper articles about Andrew being implicated in horse stealing offences, I realised that the man he was implicated with was his father-in-law from his first marriage, Robert REIDY. Robert was married to Honora O'Malley (or O'Meally). I believe it was her brother Patrick's son, John O'Meally, who rode with Ben Hall. This may give some credence to the suggestion that Andrew rode with Ben Hall's gang.
Also, Andrew's first wife died 27th November 1933 at 19 Union Street, Pyrmont (Sydney) & I have attached a copy of her death certificate for your information. One of my aunts often spoke of a "Granny Law" visiting them in Paddington & we believe this to be Margaret Law nee Reidy.
I hope this information is of some use or interest to you.
Regards, Tracey Featherby
Thank you Tracey,
Regards, Ian
From:
Jody White
Sent: Friday, 5 June 2015 2:41 PM
Subject:
Hi Ian,
I just wanted to correct information about the photo below. This was the ‘Southern Cross’ tank which was on promoting war bonds
Part of the attached article (refer to attached files) gives a bit more background and was published Magnet Newspaper 5 October 1918
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Sincerely
Jody White
Collection Manager, Eden Killer Whale Museum
Thank you Jody,
Regards, Ian
BOBBIN
From: John
Bobbin
Sent: Friday, 5 June 2015 2:18 PM
Subject: Death of Mum
Hi Ian,
I have given information before and in this case it is the death of my mother in Pambula Hospital (I am sole trustee and executor of her estate as well as oldest son). Mum Bessie (Madge) Bobbin nee Gammon died 12/1/2015. Mum was born 20/11/1925 at Jindabyne (she was 89 years old). My father was Henry Clarence Bobbin.
So descendancy goes Jeffrey Bobbin > James A Bobbin > HT Bobbin > Henry Bobbin > Henry Clarence Bobbin
My email address is below.
John Bobbin
Thank you John,
Our sincere condolences for your loss.
Regards, Ian
CONROY
On 06/06/2015 15:59, Barbara Voysey wrote:
Proposed Change: Family: Conroy, Bertie A./Carter, Agnes C. (F125499)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F125499&tree=MP
Description: Bertie A Born Pitt Town Bottoms 2.10.1907 Died 5.6.1971 Sydney Buried Griffith NSW Father Henry Conroy Mother Elizabeth Mahoney
Agnes born 10.2.1913
Died 6.7.1971 Sydney Buried Griffith NSW
Barbara Voysey
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
BOLTON/McCOLE/HALL
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Wednesday, 3 June 2015 7:58 AM
Subject: Headstones of James Bolton, Nellie Irene McCole and Francis
Lyle Hall
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstones for James Bolton, I5378, Nellie Irene McCole I52469 and Francis Lyle Hall I52468
Regards, Bruce
Thanks Bruce,
Regards, Ian
BARTON
From:
jodie barton
Sent: Tuesday, 2 June 2015 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: Proposed Change: Barton, William (I119284)
On 02/06/2015 13:41, Jodie Barton wrote:
Proposed
Change: Barton, William (I119284)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I119284&tree=MP
Description: Hi,
I've been doing a bit more research into the Barton side of my family
tree and Have been looking at all you details that you have on your
website and they are the same as I have.
So I decided to order William Barton's (1809-1880) death certificate
to see if it had any useful information.... but It has just confused
me more!
William is my 3x Great grandfather William, through his son Charles
and his son Bernard.
He is Supposedly meant to be married to Elizabeth Seamour, But his
death Certificate that I ordered doesn't quite add up....
Firstly it has the same name for his mother and wife??????
which is Elizabeth Layman, which doesn't make sense!!
I have his mother as Mary Wilstead and his wife as Elizabeth seamour,
The only thing I'm thinking is maybe Seamour was Elizabeth's married
name from her first husband and this could be her maiden name or vice
versa.
Their place of marriage is stated as Bung Bung, But i think the
informant meant Bong Bong (Berrima, Sutton's Forest) which is where
they where married. Age is about right, time in colony is about right
and 2 males and 2 females is right. 1 deceased which has to be Jane as
I found her death index for 1880 so if it is my William she obviously
died before the 15th Feb 1880.
The informant is only a friend so could have easily made a mistake.
But on William and Elizabeth's Marriage Banns I found the following
noted on the side, (I've translated it as best I can and there is
still part of it I'm not sure what it says)
...... on board the 'Sir Charles Forbes' she stated that she was a
widow. But now Elizabeth Seymore states that on her embarkation she
gave her name as a married woman in consequence of her having/leaving
children at home. She now informs me she never was married, but
cohabited with a man of the name of MacFasten who died in Belfast Two
years before her conviction and sentence to transportation and in
support of her assertion that she is not a married woman.
So was she ever married???? If she wasn't then my theory with her last
name can't be right.
Also I'm at a lost for where Elizabeth could have died??? I can't find
an index for her?
If you are interested I can send you through a copy of the death
certificate to see what you think?
I hope you don't mind me emailing you this, I just thought you might
find this interesting.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Jodie
Hi Jodie,
The information contained on death registration can be very unreliable depending
on who provided the original information and the quality of their memory. I
would certainly appreciate a copy of William's death certificate to add to his
record in our database.
Thanks, Ian
Hi Ian,
Yes I thought the same thing about reliable information.
I've also attached william and Elizabeths wedding certificate.
Thanks, jodie
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
From:
Graham Campbell
Sent: Saturday, 30 May 2015 1:56 PM
Subject: Ironmungie and Jindera
Hi Ian
I saw your reply to Judith Bailey on 27 Feb regarding Ironmungie-
My Grandfather Henry William Campbell was born there in 1879 as per Bombala
Church records.
I had travelled on the Nimmitabel-Dalgety road a few years ago, didn't see the
sign- will have to go back one day
By coincidence on April 13 Ron Dunbar wrote about Jingara- which was where
Catherine Reynolds-wife of Henry
William Campbell- was born in 1881.
I don't know if the above may be of some interest to either party
Graham Campbell
O’ROURKE
From: Roberta Barwell
Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2015 5:50 PM
Subject: O'Rourke family history in Monaro region
Dear Ian
I have been following the ancestral line on my mother's side of the family
on my family tree in Ancestry.com.au and in particular the O'Rourkes
beginning with her father.
my great, great grandfather in Australia was David Daniel Digby O'Rourke
and his father was Christopher O"Rouke. This led me to quite a bit of
interesting information after doing a Google search on Christopher O'Rouke
including many references to the 5 O'Rourke brothers who were pioneers in
the Victorian High Country.
How do I go about joining the Monaro Pioneers website so that I can access
more of their story?
Best regards, Roberta Barwell
Hi Roberta,
Our website is free, however, there is a registration required to obtain a userid and password to access our database but the process is online and quire simple and is free.
Regards, Ian
BLUESKIN
From:
Ian Burke
Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2015 8:57 AM
Subject: Blueskin's breastplate
KEEPING IT AT HOME
Statement by Ian Burke, following purchase for $12,000 of the “Blueskin – King of the Manero Tribe” kingplate at Neville Locker’s sale, Happy Valley, Adaminaby, 24 May 2015
This kingplate (or breastplate) is one of the most significant documents in the history of white settlement on the Monaro. The first squatter, Richard Brooks, came down here beyond the limits of settlement and beyond the reach of the colonial authorities, but he still had to come to terms with the authority of the original occupiers who had been here for at least 7,000 years (probably considerably longer) and, as we are now becoming increasingly aware, whose cosmology and world-view were centred on this strangely compelling landscape. The kingplate documents how Brooks attempted to deal with the original occupiers – by elevating Blueskin to be “King of the Manero tribe” and dealing with him on that basis to gain his and his tribe’s co-operation. The full story is still to be told – but the kingplate is an irreplaceable key to unraveling it.
It is very humbling to become the custodian of such a precious relic. It has already told me a lot. For the time being it is in Canberra for safekeeping and further research and consultation, and hopefully preparation of a monograph, but soon it will be returned to the Gegedzerick area and the vicinity where Blueskin is probably buried. It is an important part of Monaro’s heritage that should remain on Monaro, which it will now do for the foreseeable future.
ROBBIE
From: Kellie
Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2015 7:33 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Robbie, James Henry (I40562)
Proposed Change: Robbie, James Henry (I40562)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I40562&tree=MP
Description: 24 Oct 1955
FUNERALS
ROBBIE. — Relatives and friends of Mrs. Lillian Robbie and family, of 19 Chaffey Crescent, Ainslie, are respectfully invited to attend the funeral of her late dearly loved husband and their dear father, James Henry Robbie, which will leave the Methodist Church, Reid, today, Monday, after a service commencing at 3 p.m., for interment in the Methodist Portion of the Canberra Public Cemetery. A trans- port bus, will be in attendance at the church to follow the cortege to the cemetery.
M. H. O'Rourke, Funeral Directors. Head Office and Chapel, 113 Crawford St.
Phone Queanbeyan 52.
R.S.S. & A.I.L.A.
A.C.T. BRANCH
ROBBIE, James (Jim) Henry.
Returned servicemen, particularly members of North Canberra Subbranch, are invited to attend the funeral of their comrade, late NX87393 Corporal 2/1st Pioneers, 2nd A.I.F., at the Methodist Portion of the Canberra Cemetery, after a service at the Methodist Church, Reid, at 3 p.m. to day. Bus transport provided.
"Lest We Forget."
O. W. BOURKE,
Hon. Secretary.
ROBBIE.—The members of the United Ancient Order of Druids are requested to attend the funeral of their late brother, Jim Robbie, which will leave the Methodist Church, Reid, following a service commencing at 3 p.m. to-day.
M. LIPMAN,
Arch Druid.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROBBIE
From: Kellie
Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2015 7:27 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Robbie, Thomas Daniel Harris (I46740)
Proposed Change: Robbie, Thomas Daniel Harris (I46740)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I46740&tree=MP
Description: Canberra Times 19 March 1980
Mr Thomas Daniel Robbie
ACT Australian football lost one of its great stalwarts on Monday when Mr Thomas Daniel Robbie, 71, of Griffith, died.
The Robbie name has been linked with Eastlake and ACT Australian football since its earliest days.
Mr Robbie was born in Bombala in 1908 and the family moved to Canberra in 1918.
He began a proud family tradition when he first played for Eastlake in the
1928 premiership side. He went on to play 147 first-grade games with East lake, a club record until about 1958.
He also represented Canberra many times in the 1930s as a centre half forward and played in several Australian carnival sides.
A life member of Eastlake and for many years a member of the committee, he received an Australian National Football Council merit award in 1957 for his services to the code.
About 1928-29 he played in the Canberra A-grade finals of three codes, Australian football, soccer and rugby league.
Following in his footsteps at Eastlake have been five of his six sons and three grandsons, with sons Pat and Col also playing more than 100 first-grade games.
He is survived by his wife, Muriel, sons Ken, Brian (Pat), Colin and Philip, all of Canberra, Christopher, of Sydney, and Peter, of Brisbane, 16 grand children and two great grandchildren.
His six sons will be the pallbearers at his funeral today from 2pm at St Christopher's Cathedral, Manuka. Burial will take place at Gungahlin Cemetery.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROBBIE
From: Kellie
Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2015 7:23 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Robbie, Henry Lea Harris (I299486)
Proposed Change: Robbie, Henry Lea Harris (I299486)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I299486&tree=MP
Description: Canberra Times 16 Dec 1987
ROBBIE, Henry Leigh (Harry).
— Died 4.12.87 at Woden Valley Hospital. Aged 75 yrs. Husband of Babe (dec).
Very much loved father and father in law of Alf and Hazel, Merle and Bill, Nancy and Warren, Barb and Noel, David and June, grandfather and great grandfather of their children.
Peace at last.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROBBIE
From: Kellie
Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2015 6:30 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Robbie, Gwendoline J. (I222185)
Proposed Change: Robbie, Gwendoline J. (I222185)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I222185&tree=MP
Description: 1790/1910 ROBBIE Gwendoline J Bombala parents - / Johanna
MARRIAGE
8328/1942 ROBBIE NORMAN to JOHNSON GWENDOLINE JESSIE at GOULBURN
ER's for Gwendoline Jessie JOHNSON are 1931 to 1937 at Iris Street Bombala (with Johanna Ellen) Then 1943 as Gwendoline Jessie ROBBIE at Iris Street Bombala (still with Johanna Ellen) Then various addresses in Bombala.
Death Notice
SMH, 28 July 1982:
DEATHS
ELTON, Constance Beatrice Daphne, - July 26, 1982, (suddenly) at residence, late of Yagoona, dearly beloved mother of Joyce, Claude, B, D and J, loved mother-in-law, grandmother and great-grandmother of their families, loved sister of Gwen. Aged 79 years. Rookwood Crematorium.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROBBIE
From: Kellie
Sent: Sunday, 24 May 2015 2:25 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Robbie, Helen Johanna (I347903)
Proposed Change: Robbie, Helen Johanna (I347903)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I347903&tree=MP
Description: This Helen Johanna ROBBIE is the Johannah Ellen BREWER who married
James ROBBIE, then after his death married George JOHNSON.
She left James ROBBIE and lived with Henry Richard JOHNSON who most of her
children were born to (some registered as both JOHNSON and BREWER on the indexes
) then they broke up and she had a few more children surname both ROBBIE and
BREWER on the indexes.
She can be followed on the electoral rolls where she lives with various children
from her various partners and they are all using JOHNSON. Various death notices
of the children (in later life) mention the others as siblings.
Kellie
Hi Kellie,
Do you know how many children Johanna had?
Regards, Ian
Birth
5732/1862 BREWER JOHANNAH JOHN CHARLOTTE E BOMBALA
Marriage 1) 5397/1882 ROBBIE JAMES BREWER HANNAH ELLEN BOMBALA
CHILDREN (so far)
23471/1883 ROBBIE EDITH MILDRED JAMES JOHANNA ELLEN BOMBALA (lives with her
father and step mother)
21917/1886 JOHNSON VIOLET G HENRY JOHANNAH E COOTAMUNDRA
23097/1888 JOHNSON ROBERT G HENRY R ELLEN J COOTAMUNDRA
(23097/1888 BREWER ROBERT G ELLEN J COOTAMUNDRA )
11154/1890 JOHNSON ALEXANDER HENRY R ELLEN COOTAMUNDRA
11750/1893 JOHNSON ALICE HENRY R HELEN J COOTAMUNDRA
29814/1900 ROBBIE HENRY R JOHANNA E BOMBALA
29992/1902 ROBBIE CONSTANCE B D JOHANNA E BOMBALA
(29992/1902 BREWER CONSTANCE B D JOHANNA E BOMBALA)
30527/1904 ROBBIE ENID E JOHANNAH E BOMBALA
(30527/1904 BREWER ENID E JOHANNAH E BOMBALA )
1790/1910 ROBBIE GWENDOLINE J JOHANNA E
Marriage 2)
7294/1920 JOHNSON GEORGE ROBBIE JOHANNA E BOMBALA
Death
6410/1952 JOHNSON JOHANNA ELLEN JOHN CHARLOTTE ELIZABETH BOMBALA
All the children marry as JOHNSON (except Edith Mildred). At times Johanna is living with Gwendoline Jessie (both before and after Gwen marries) also lives with son Richard Henry (Henry R) and Constance, and before death spends some time living with Alice and husband Cecil Charles MARSHALL in Bankstown.
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROLFE
On 22/05/2015 18:44, Tony Powers wrote:
Proposed Change: Rolfe, Joseph (I222685)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I222685&tree=MP
Description: I understand that there is a reference in his convict > records as
having been born in "Fort George, America". "America" in 1806 could refer to
either the USA or the British Colonies that later became Canada. One possible
"Fort George" is on the eastern side of St James Bay Quebec. This was a company
fort of the Hudson's Bay Co. Another was on Lake Ontario. I think it would
be unlikely to be the small slave cotton plantation of that name in Florida.
Tony Powers
There was a Fort George in Florida ...
https://www.floridastateparks.org/park/Fort-George-Island
Regards, Ian
Yes, I know, but there is no documentary evidence (that I know of) that links Joseph to that particular Fort George. I suspect that someone entered "Fort George" in Ancestry.com and it automatically suggested the Florida option. In 1806, Florida was not even technically under American control - the Spanish controlled it from 1783 to 1819.
On the balance of probabilities, I'd say Fort George Florida is a long shot... though, I suppose, it is possible.
Congratulations on the site, by the way. It's very impressive!
Tony Powers
GRANT
From: Deb
Sent: Saturday, 23 May 2015 3:14 PM
Subject: Henry Grant descendant Grace Grant incorrect
Firstly please allow me to say what a wonderful site this is and thank you
to all for the work they do.
When I got in and had a look at the Henry Grant section I noticed my whole
family was missing.
Grace Grant is my grandmother. Unfortunately the details included on Monaro
Pioneers is for the wrong Grace Grant.
45.....Grace was born in 1883 in the Wyndham area or there a outs as all
births were registered in Eden and so noted Eden as the place of birth.
Grace died in Bega on January 14th 1975. As a widow she lived with my
parents and our family in north Bega.
Grace marriage 1. Francis J O'Sullivan...1906...Eden NSW
He disappeared Grace marraige 2. Alfred
Richard Moles......1909....Eden NSW
Alf died in Bega Grace and Alf had 4 children
Annie Lavina moles ..1909 Elizabeth Isobel moles...1913-1923 Edith Maud
Moles 1917-2003 died in Bega..married Reginald Clyde Campbell ( my parents)
Edgar James Moles 1928-1997 Grenfell NSW
Then moving down to Aunty Isobel
47.....Isabella Grant born 1892. Eden nsw ..died 1980 Auckland New Zealand
Married ed Hayden and they had a daughter Patricia born 1924
I have contacted my family about the Grant reunion in October .
With regards, Debbie Fuge, Bega
Hi Deb,
Thank you for the information, I will amend our records forthwith.
I look forward to seeing you in Wyndham.
Regards, Ian
FOSTER
From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2015 1:12 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Foster, Neil (I4163)
Proposed Change: Foster, Neil (I4163)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I4163&tree=MP
Description: Full name: ALFRED Neil Foster, married Barbara MAY Grant 1956 at Eden, NSW. NSW Marriage Index 6798/1956
Children:
1. Gary Foster
2. Anthony Dallas Foster, see Funeral details below
ANTHONY DALLAS 'Tony' FOSTER
28.12.1958 ~ 4.5.2015
Late of Marine Parade, Merimbula
Loving father and friend of Joel & Crystal (Sanctuary Point), Brooke & Josh (Canada). Treasured son of Neil & Barbara Foster (Toothdale), dear brother of Gary and fond uncle of Bradley, Isabella, William, Benjamin, Aidan and Llayton.
The funeral for the late Mr Tony Foster will be held in the Clavering Park Crematorium Chapel at 11.00a.m. Tuesday 19th May 2015. Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend.
JOHN R WHYMAN FUNERAL SERVICES
BEGA 6492 4111
15/05/2015 - FUNERAL NOTICES
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
GREALY
From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2015 12:59 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Grealy, Mary Brenden (I350169)
Proposed Change: Grealy, Mary Brenden (I350169)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I350169&tree=MP
Description: Details for Mary and family
MARY BRENDAN CONNOLLY (nee Grealy)
8.1.1921 ~ 14.5.2015
Late of Mariner Park, Tura Beach and formerly of Carp Street, Bega.
Loving mother and mother-in-law of Margaret & Andrew (deceased), Dorothy & Darryl, Gregory & Ewa and Christopher & Denise. Much loved grandmother of 14 and great-grandmother of 22. Sister of Thomas (deceased), Vincent (deceased), Peter and Rita.
The funeral for the late Mrs Mary Connolly will be held in St Patrick's Catholic Church, Bega with a service commencing at 11.00a.m., Monday 25th May, 2015 and burial will follow in the Bega Cemetery. Relatives and friends are respectfully invited to attend.
JOHN R WHYMAN FUNERAL SERVICES
BEGA 6492 4111
19/05/2015 - FUNERAL NOTICES
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
COOTES
From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2015 10:03 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Cootes, Roma Aileen (I326895)
Proposed Change: Cootes, Roma Aileen (I326895)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I326895&tree=MP
Description: Married: Francis Robert Edmonds, 17 Nov 1951, St Vincent's Church, Asfield, NSW. NSW Marriage Index 25803/1951
The Catholic Weekly. November 22, 1951 (Page 18) Weddings Of Town And Country Interest
At St. Vincent's Church, Ashfield, Very Rev. Father V. McKinnon, C.M., officiated at the marriage of Roma Cootes, of Annandale, to Frank Edmunds, of Burwood. The bride was attended by Misses Moira Edmunds and Rita Carter.
Reception was held at "Amory," Ashfield.
Francis Robert Edmonds born 24 Apr 1919, Sydney, NSW. Died 4 Dec 1994, Sydney, NSW.
Ryerson Index
EDMUNDS Francis Robert, Death Notice, 04DEC1994, Death, , late of West Pymble SMH Death Notice pub 06DEC1994
Children of Roma and Francis:
1. EDMONDS, Warren Bruce, born 17 May 1953, Sydney, NSW. Died 3 May 1996, Sydney, NSW 2. EDMONDS, Michael Anthony 3. EDMONDS, Cheryl
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
JONES
From:
Gregory McInnes
Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2015 1:12 PM
Subject: Proposed Changes: JONES, Eileen May I10743
Ian
Proposed Change: Jones, Eileen May (I10743)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I10743&tree=MP
Description:
Born: 10 February 1912
Died: 26 July 1997, Sydney, NSW
Children: to Albert Cootes; Fay Frances Cootes, born 10 November 1939
to Lester McNellee; Gregory James McNellee
Please change first name of I88728 to be LESTER rather than Leslie.
Attachement: Birth transcript for Eileen May Jones 1912
Regards, Gregory
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
STEWART/CAMERON
From: Valma Hick
Sent: Monday, 18 May 2015 9:32 PM
Subject: Scottish born children of Andrew Stewart & Margaret "Peg" Cameron
Dear Ian,
I am sending you a copy of the two immigration documents I found on Ancestry.com.au just recently. The immigration documents for Margaret Stewart show clearly that her three sons were -
John Five years on 12 May 1838
Henry Four years on 9 Sep 1838
Allan aged about two years died on the voyage.
1 Female child
Bell aged about 6 months old
born on 7 March 1838.
I don't know whether I can legally send this but. If there is a problem.
It might be better not to add this information to the newsletter as I don't want to cause any problems just want to clear up the assumption of the "Bill versus Bell" debate.
Hope this might help - Andrew and Margaret - parents of my 2nd grt grandmother (paternal ) Sarah Douch nee Stewart.
regards, Valma
Hi Valma,
Thank you, I too have access to Ancestry.Com and obtained my own copy so there is no problem.
I have added the Immigration list images to the records of Andrew Stewart and Margaret nee Cameron and children in the MP database for all to see.
I have on my "tuit" list the intention of doing the same with everyone in the database who has an identified immigration record. Hopefully, I can get that finished in the next few months.
Regards, Ian
Postscript. Nearly completed the addition of the Immigration passenger list images if anyone is interested. Ian
TURNER
From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: Monday, 18 May 2015 7:18 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Turner, Lorna Rayner (I11198)
Proposed Change: Turner, Lorna Rayner (I11198)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I11198&tree=MP
Description: Married: 12 April 1947
Died: 9 May 2015, Nowra, NSW
RUTLEDGE
Lorna Rayner OAM 'Rae'
Late of North Nowra much loved wife of the late Arthur loving mother and mother-in-law of Neil & Gillian, Peter & Kathy, Beverley (dec) and devoted Nana to her grandchildren and great grandchildren
A service for Rae will be held at the All Saints Anglican Church, Nowra, Friday, May 15, 2015 at 11am.
Relatives and friends are invited to attend.
ANNOUNCEMENTS : FUNERAL NOTICES
13/05/2015 South Coast Register
Children:
1. Neil Arthur Rutledge
2. Peter Charles Rutledge
3. Beverley Fay Rutledge, Born 6 October 1952, Milton, NSW; Died 18 September 2010, 78 Illaroo Rd, Nowra, NSW.
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
DAVIS
On 16/05/2015 15:18, Karin Bayley wrote:
Proposed Change: Davis, Theodore (I247051)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I247051&tree=MP
Description: Full name: William Theordore Davis b.14 Aug 1879 d:10 Sep
1963 Batemans Bay. m: Louise Adelaide Peat Wilson 11 July 1906. Issue :
Rena(?) b and d: 1907, Doris b: 1908, Mona b:1911 d:1979 Sydney.
Mona was my mother-in-law. She married Edwin (Ted) Bayley and my husband is 6th of their 7 children.
Karin Bayley
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
FLANAGAN/WALKER
Subject: Re: Monaro Pioneers
On 16/05/2015 13:05, John and Denise Walker wrote:
I have just discovered the Monaro Pioneers site and decided to check for information concerning my mother's family who lived in Bombala and the Brogo, Bega region. The listing for my mother, Claire Dolores Flanagan and for my father, Jack Frederick Walker are essentially correct (though he died at Eastwood, not Hunters Hill), but the listing for my maternal grandfather is incorrect. He was Michael Flanagan and was born in County Meath, Ireland, not Moruya. He was born in 1860 and died in Bombala in 1947, aged 87. This means that the listings for all the children of that family, including Austin Flanagan, who lived at Brogo, are incorrect.
Yours sincerely, John Walker
Hi John,
Thank you for letting us know, I will amend our records. Do you have a copy of Michael's death certificate so that I might add that source to his records to confirm the information in our database?
Regards, Ian
Hi Ian,
Thanks for the very quick response. I don't have a copy of Michael Flanagan's death certificate, but my sister, who lives in New Zealand, may. She has visited the current members of the family in Ireland and has a range of documents. One thing that your site did was solve a mystery for us. My mother's young brother, Christopher Paul, died suddenly in 1934 in Melbourne.
We wondered about the cause of death and you have a report from a newspaper stating that it was from a cerebral haemorrhage. To add to that tragedy, his wife Clare Maher died a year later. Their only child, Ron Flanagan, now lives at Bateman's Bay.
I look forward to learning more from your site.
Best wishes, John
Hi John,
Thanks.
We have just recently had input from Giselle Walker who is also descended from Claire Dolores Flanagan and Jack Frederick Walker. Perhaps you know her?
Regards, Ian
Yes, father and daughter. If Mary Benson from NZ also contacts you she's John's sister.
Hi Folks,
Wow, that’s a first for me. Never had a Father and Daughter contributing at the same time.
Did I tell you how much we appreciate your input?
Regards, Ian
Hi Ian
No worries re the input. I'm not providing much of use since I don't have the official family version of the details to hand.
It looks like there is a conflation of two different lots of Flanagans who happened to live in much the same area at the same time, with a few very similar names and dates. The very similar names are probably because practically every large Irish family at the time included people called Michael, Mary and Joseph/Josephine. The families may well be relatively closely related, which could explain two migrations to the same bit of NSW within two generations. The Moruya Flanagans include a Michael Joseph Flanagan, who probably *didn't* have children Austin, Claire and Christopher Paul (and others), because Austin, Claire, C. Paul, and (our) Mary Josephine's father, Michael Flanagan, was born in Ireland and died much later (1947) than Michael Joseph Flanagan (1902).
Coincidentally we've turned up a third Mary Josephine Flanagan, who is 30 years younger than the other two and lives in Ireland, but was known to our
(Great-) Aunt Molly. This backs up the idea of it being a fairly common name.
I'll leave it to John to provide further details and reconciliation of the different available datasets, as I'd need all the dates to do any more. If whoever provided the details of the Moruya/Eden Flanagans would be interested in getting in touch with us, I'd be happy for my email address to be passed on to them. Again, I'll leave it to John to say whether he's happy for his email address to be passed on or not.
cheers, Giselle
WHITELEY
On 16/05/2015 06:47, Don Hayes wrote:
Proposed Change: Whiteley, Douglas Gordon (I128867)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I128867&tree=MP
Description: Doug was at Gallipoli on the first day landing about 2 hours after the first landing. Wounded 19/5/15.Returned to Bombala September 1915 returned to duty 31/1/16 embarked Sydney 9/9/16 for England. 15/4/17 at a outpost at Demicourt France he was captured by Germans spent rest of war as a P.O.W. Limburg Germany.
Don Hayes
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
FLANAGAN
From: Giselle Walker
Sent: Friday, 15 May 2015 1:28 PM
Subject: question about Monaro pioneer family
Dear Mr. Harvey
I wonder if you could tell me where you got the information about the Flanagan family from "Wamban" at Moruya?
I'm a descendent of Michael Joseph Flanagan (1863-1904) via his daughter Claire Dolores (1901-2001, died aged 99) & her husband Jack Frederick Walker (1903-1976).
Poking around on the site I note you have Michael Joseph having three children, Austin, Claire and Paul. To the best of my knowledge there were at least five children, including Mary Josephine (probably the oldest, born in the early to mid 1890s; died 1986) and Michael (died in 1943, notice of his will is available on Trove.nla.gov.au, with Mary Josephine and Austin as executors). I can get more precise details for all of them, that were collected when Claire and Mary Josephine were still alive. (Christopher) Paul died in 1934, and again his death notice in the Brogo Times is available on Trove.
However, I also note that according to your site, Michael Joseph's younger brother John Joseph had a daughter, Mary Josephine, 1893-1986.
These dates are about right for the Mary Josephine mentioned above, my great-aunt Molly, who lived in Sydney from the 1920s onwards, in Manly from at least the 1940s, until her death in 1986. Obviously, that's not the same as the death location of Bega given for the Mary Josephine on your site, and also, obviously, the one on the site was married to John Francis Rheinberger.
Thus I was wondering how likely it is that there would be cousin Mary Josephines of about the same birth and death date in this family - do we have a bit of family history we didn't know (two Mary Josephines who died in the same year, cousins that aren't in our version of the family tree), a slightly more unusual bit that we had no inkling of (Mary Josephine - my great-aunt Molly - moves families aged about 10 after the death of her mother, and is my grandmother's cousin, not her sister - seems very unlikely if you have the Rheinberger details), or potentially some locations, dates and names that are mixed up?
If Molly had known about another Mary Josephine in Bega, she'd very likely have visited her on a family holiday we did in about 1982, with Molly and Clare, visiting family sites in the area. Molly corresponded regularly with the entire extended family (that we know of), and travelled to Ireland on her own several times in her 80s and 90s to meet relatives, so Bega would not likely have been regarded as too far away, particularly as the family were visiting their brother Austin at Brogo fairly regularly until his death in 1973. However, as Molly was the instigator of the family history that we know about, if for some reason she didn't have anything to do with her cousins, and she'd attempted to suppress anything, she'd have done it fairly successfully as we have always taken her version as correct.
Any clues on solving this would be greatly appreciated!
many thanks, Giselle
Hi Giselle,
There were in fact two Mary Josephine Flanagan's, the one we have born to John Joseph Flanagan and Esther Ann Power and who married John Francis Rheinberger. The other one was your Great-Aunt Molly. I have now discovered her birth in 1894, registered in Bombala under the surname Flannigan. I cannot find any reference to a Michael Flanagan who died in 1943 unfortunately. If you can supply more precise details for the Flanagan family I would be most grateful.
Did your Great-Aunt Molly ever marry? If not did she in fact die in 1988 as there is an entry for a Mary Josephine Flanagan who died December 23, 1988 in Queenscliff, NSW - source Ryerson Index.
Regards, Ian
Hi Ian
of course you're totally right, Molly died in 1988, not 1986.
I'll talk to the keepers of the family info (two of Claire's children, who "do" genealogy) before sending you more precise details, so they don't feel I'm treading on their toes. They may actually contact you anyway, as I've sent them the details of the site.
Cheers, Giselle
Thank you,
Reagrds, Ian
GARNOCK
From: Jan Campbell
Sent: Thursday, 14 May 2015 10:55 AM
Subject: NFP - Request for updated email address for George Garnock contact please
Ian,
Firstly, thanks for your continuing professional efforts with the MP site. I always look forward to your bulletins.
My ancestor, Thomas Willsmore, was in 1844 allocated to Monaro's Mr Garnock following being allocated to Mr Moore in 1843.
I have emailed Melissa Bray's address with some queries but email was undelivered.
Do you have any other or updated email contact for her or anyone else interested in Mr Garnock's properties and history?
The papers for Bukalong are listed on National Library site but are actually held at the Aust National University.
Have made an inquiry re having access to said papers but no response yet from ANU Librarian.
I have recently begun to get back into sorting my family history and spending a bit of time at the National Library.
Recently went through some of the manuscripts held for Bibbenluke Station where Thomas W worked for some time.
If you don't have any current contacts, could you just put a general call out for anyone having details or interest in George Garnock's papers perhaps who is prepared to discuss with me?
Kindest regards, Jan Campbell
Hi Jan,
We can add your request to the next newsletter.
Regards, Ian
JOYCE
On 13/05/2015 20:01, Michelle wrote:
Proposed Change: Joyce, Annie (I24992)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I24992&tree=MP
Description: Hi Ian,
just adding a little to Annie's 2nd marriage to James "Gabbeth" Gabbett.
It seems James had been previously married to one of Annie's sisters, Ellen, ( I cannot find on the NSW birth index for her). Ellen died in
1883 reg.at Yass. I can find only one child so far of that union between Ellen & James, being THOMAS LINDSEY GABBETT b 25 Sep 1881- died 26 Mar 1943
James Gabbett died on 30 June 1901 at Ginginderra and it is within his obituary that it mentions the connection between the sisters.
Queanbeyan Age (NSW : 1867 - 1904) Saturday 1 June 1901 p 2 Article SUDDEN DEATH. A sadly sudden death occurred last Thursday morning near Jier. Mr James Gabbett some short time back had his leg broken, as the result of an accident owing to the horse which he was driving in a cart, playing up. Only about three weeks ago he was discharged from the Queanbeyan hospital and went home. Since that time he has only been able to hobble about, but his leg was apparently getting stronger.On the morning of last Thursday he complained to his wife of a severe pain in the region of the heart, and expired half an hour afterwards. Mr Gale, district coroner, accompanied by Dr Blackall, went out to Jeir yesterday morning to hold an inquest on the remains, the result of which had not transpired when we went to press. Deceased was well respected and leaves a widow, and young family, by his former wife, who was a sister of his widow.
James was born c 1856 in Braidwood to Thomas Gabbett and unknown.
Michelle
Hi Michelle,
How interesting. James was the son of Thomas Gabbett (Gabbott) and Mary Carrigan.
Regards, Ian
DENT/STUART
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2015 7:24 AM
Subject: Headstone of Boyce Charles Dent and Myra Victoria Stuart
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstone for Boyce Charles Dent and Myra Victoria Stuart.
Regards, Bruce
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
TASKER
On 11/05/2015 22:00, Margaret Beechey wrote:
Proposed Change: Family: Tasker, William Allan/Clarke, Amy Eliza (F10341)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F10341&tree=MP
Description: Edith Cavell Beryl Tasker 6th child. Kevin James Tasker 7th child. Eileen Veronica Tasker 8th child. Hazel Jean Tasker born 1921 Bombala NSW 9th child. Beryl Gwendoline Tasker Born 1921 Died 1996 Bairnsdale Victoria.
Margaret Beechey
Thank you,
Reagrds, Ian
RAYNER
On 11/05/2015 18:08, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Rayner, Leonard (I11140)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I11140&tree=MP
Description: Born: Bimingham, Warwickshire, England. GRO Index vol 6d Page 1 2nd Qtr 1875
Funeral/Buried: 28 April 1930
The Manaro Mercury, and Cooma and Bombala Advertiser Fri 2 May 1930 Pg 2
The Late Mr. L. Rayner
The late Mr. Leonard Rayner of Bombala street, Cooma, who was killed on the Cooma-Bobundara road on 27th April, the result of a motor lorry accident, was born at Birmingham, and came to Australia with his parents at the age of 2 years. Deceased, who was a single man 55 years of age, was a sawmiller by trade, and worked at Wyndham and Tenterfield most of his life ; and for the past 12 months at Cooma. He is mourned by his mother Mrs. E.
Rayner of Mayfield, Cooma; three brothers, Messrs. Charles of Queanbeyan, George of Bombala, and Alfred of Murwillumbah ; two sisters, Mrs. Arthur Miners, Mayfield, Cooma, and Mrs. Lowe of Queensland.
The remains were taken to St. Paul's church where the Rev. G. B.
Thompson held a short service.
The funeral took place on 28th April at the Church of England cemetery, Cooma. The pallbears were six nephews, Messrs. Charles aud George Miners, Bert, Keith and Stanley Rayner, and Edward Cootes.
Wreaths were from Mother, Eunice and Fred, George Ethel and family, Charlie and Maude, Jane and Arthur, Bessie and Ted, Lorna and Harold, Mr. and Mrs. J. Reidy and Keith, Mr. and Mrs.
Fred Haines and family, Mr. and Mrs. S. Willis and family, Mr. and Mrs.
D. V. Owens, Mr. and Mrs. J. McDonald and family, Mr. and Mrs. S. Love and family, GeorgeFix this text Arthur and Norman, Mr. and Mrs. Procter and family, Mr. and Mrs. R. A. Miners and family, Mr. and Mrs. W. F.
Fletcher and family, G. Morgan and V. Robinson.
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
YELDS
From: Chris&Marg
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2015 2:46 PM
Subject: John Yelds Bombala c1858
My name is Margaret Harrison. I am married to one of the grandchildren of Beatrice Mary Moore.
Reference 26. Mary Ann Yelds (Monaro Pioneers).
F. ii. Beatrice Mary Moore was born in 1896 in Bombala, NSW.
Beatrice married Joseph Francis in Newcastle on 5 January 1916
ref. NSW BDM Index 2056/1916.
I have obtained a copy of the Marriage Certificate of Beatrice Mary Moore and James Hudson (as referred to in Monaro Pioneers) the B M Moore is not the daughter of Thomas Moore and Mary Yelds.
Should you desire to have a copy of the Marriage Certificate or any additional information, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Regards, Margaret
Thank you for letting us know,
Regards, Ian
THOMAS/COLE
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2015 7:50 AM
Subject: Headstones of Thomas Frederick Thomas and Jean Margaret Cole
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstones for Thomas Frederick Thomas and Jean Margaret Cole.
Both are buried at Woronora General Cemetery & Crematorium Sutherland NSW, Loc: Anglican, Section AH, Position 0680.
Regards, Bruce
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
COLE/CALMAN
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2015 7:47 AM
Subject: Headstones of Henry Cole and Mary Elizabeth Calman
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached headstones for Henry Cole and Mary Elizabeth Calman.
Regards, Bruce
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
MORRIS/COLE
From:
Bruce Stubbs
Sent: Monday, 11 May 2015 7:40 AM
Subject: Headstones for Frank Edward Morris and Dorothy Mildred Cole
Hi David and Ian,
Please find attached the headstones for Frank Edward Morris and Dorothy Mildred Cole.
Regards, Bruce
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
TASKER
On 11/05/2015 02:05, Margaret Beechey wrote:
> Proposed Change: Tasker, Ethel M. (I356297)
> Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
> Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I356297&tree=MP
>
> Description: Ethel May Tasker born 1915 In Bombala NSW. Death Sydney
> NSW.
> Married John Stallwood at Newtown NSW 1931. Children from that
> marriage were Barbara Stallwood and Margaret Amy Stallwood.
>
> Margaret Beechey
Thank you,
Reagrds, Ian
TASKER
On 11/05/2015 01:53, Margaret Beechey wrote:
Proposed Change: Tasker, Queenie I. (I169278)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I169278&tree=MP
Description: Queenie Tasker died on the 10/09/2012 at Box Hill Victoria aged 102 and 10 months. Her children were Amy Margaret Lowrie (Deceased) Thomas Lowrie.
Margaret Beechey
Thank you,
Reagrds, Ian
BROWNLIE
From: Valma Hick (nee Douch)
Sent: Friday, 8 May 2015 9:32 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Brownlie, Robert (I206270)
Proposed Change: Brownlie, Robert (I206270)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I206270&tree=MP
Description: Hello Ian,
I have just found some Summerell (spelling different) information -
(I206270 - Brownlie, Robert.)
I have found a Robert William Brownlie mar Evelyn Hannah Summerell (daughter of Henry Albert (Harry) Summerell & Alice May Rankin - both first cousins 2 x removed of mine), abt 1963, Bega, New South Wales, Australia, (NSW BDM Index Reg No: 20459/1963 BROWNLIE ROBERT WILLIAM SUMMERELL EVELYN HANNAH BEGA). In the 1968 Electoral Roll for Eden-Monaro District, Subdistrict - Bombala, Robert William & Evelyn Hannah Brownlie are residing at 46 Msybe Street,Bombala.
Evelyn's occupation given as Home Duties and Robert William Brownlie's occupation - Shearer.
Thank you for all the time you devote to keeping the Monaro Pioneers updated.
Cheers, Valma
Thank you Valma,
Excellent detective work, well done.
Regards, Ian
WENT
On 07/05/2015 21:09, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Went, Arthur Henry (I67588)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I67588&tree=MP
Description: The Canberra Times Wednesday 31 July 1985 Page 30
FUNERALS
WENT. The relatives and friends of the late Arthur Henry (Dick) Went of Moruya St, Quaama, are respectfully invited to attend his funeral service to be held in the Norwood Park Crematorium, at 1pm Thursday 1st.
Friends please meet at Crematorium.
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
INGRAM
On 07/05/2015 21:09, Pat McGufficke wrote:
Proposed Change: Ingram, Robert Foote (I2271)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I2271&tree=MP
Description: Robert Foote Ingram died in Delegate Hospital and is buried in the Ingram Family cemetery at Tombong.
INGRAM Robert Foote Death notice 01DEC1969 Death 89 at Delegate District Hospital, late of Tombong, Delegate Sydney Morning Herald
03DEC1969
Pat McGufficke
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BRYAN
On 07/05/2015 21:02, Patricia McGufficke wrote:
Proposed Change: Bryan, Henry Richard (I87794)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87794&tree=MP
Description: Henry drowned in the river behind his parents' home.
Patricia McGufficke
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
CHAPPLE
On 07/05/2015 20:52, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Chapple, Clarice Louisa (I229578)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I229578&tree=MP
Description: Died: 2 October 1988 at Yass District Hospital
The Canberra Times Tuesday 4 October 1988 Page 20
DEATHS
CALDWELL, Clarice Louisa. At Yass District Hospital 2.10.88. Wife of John Caldwell (dec), loving sister of Kit and Stan Buckmaster, Bob and Hazel Chapple, Doris (dec), Harry (dec), Slee (dec), Sam (dec), much loved aunt of their children. Aged 80 years.
In God's Care
FUNERALS
CALDWELL. The friends and relatives of the late Clarice Louisa (Cal) Caldwell are respectfully invited to attend her funeral which will leave the Reid Uniting Church, Canberra after service commencing at 10am on Thursday, October 6,1988 for interment in the Lawn Cemetery, Woden.
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
RAYNER
On 07/05/2015 19:06, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Rayner, Charles Stanley (I11205)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I11205&tree=MP
Description: The Canberra Times Tuesday 16 April 1968 Page 15
DEATHS
RAYNER, Stanley Charles.
April 15, 1968. Suddenly at his residence, Church St., Ulladulla, loving husband of Catherine Monica. Dear brother of Vida (Mrs Peterson), Connie (Mrs De-Rota), Dulcie (Mrs Reid) and brother-in-law of Les Gregory. Aged 59 years at rest.
FUNERALS
RAYNER. The relatives and friends of the late Stanley Charles Rayner are invited to attend his funeral Wednesday 17th April, 1968. Service at the Church of England, Ulladulla, at 11am, afterwards to Sandridge Cemetery, Mollymook.
T. and R. Drury,
Funeral Directors
Ulladulla. Phone 51784.
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROBINSON
On 07/05/2015 19:00, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Robinson, Maud Sarah Elizabeth (I10762)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I10762&tree=MP
Description: The Canberra Times Wednesday 4 July 1962 Page 22
DEATHS
RAYNER, Maud Sarah Elizabeth. On June 29, at Nowra, beloved wife of Charles Rayner and loved mother of Stan (Ulladulla), Vida (Mrs. D. A. Peterson, Dapto), Dulcie (Mrs. C. T. Reid, Bombala), Connie (Mrs. C. A. de Smet, Canberra).
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
FRANCIS
From:
caszpak
Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2015 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: Comments Re John Francis
G'day, wonder
if you can provide a bit of advice. I was
searching John Francis who is listed on your website and wondered
who had provided the info and if I
could contact them. Searching shipping
lists and BDM etc I suspect that I have found the names of both
his parents and when they arrived in
OZ but not sure. Is it possible for you to
provide a contact email?
Cheryl stanborough
Hi Cheryl,
Which John Francis? We have a number of them in our database.
Regards, Ian
Sorry! The
oldest one. The database records him as MP 1367 born in
1833, died 1917 and the son of Robert Francis. I should have said that in
the first place.
Regards, Cheryl Stanborough
Hi Cheryl,
Unfortunately we have no contact information for that family. Perhaps I can
help?
Regards, Ian
G’day Ian
Thanks for getting back to me. The reason that I contacted you is that if you look in your database it states that John Francis (MP1367) was born 1833. If you do the family tree thing it shows his father as Robert Francis. I’m a descendant of Lecounts, Whites, Lutons and Francis’s and know nothing of the Francis side.
Currently I care for my terminally ill mother and don’t get out much and don’t have the money to purchase birth certificates and the like, so I rely on the internet, BDM, NSW State Records, Trove and the like to find what I can. Your database has also been a great help!
During my searching, I came across a Robert (aged 38) and Alice (aged 37) Francis with a son John, age 10 and older son James, aged 18 who arrived in February 1848 on the Hyderabad. I suspect that this is the John Francis who married Isabella White, especially as in the death regns there is a Robert and an Alice Francis who both eventually die and are registered in Cooma. To much of a coincidence...
Now the problem is this: if I am right, John was not born in 1833, but rather ca 1838. Further to this the death regns for Robert and Alice both state that they lived to be 98. If I am right Robert died in 1876 and Alice in 1886, far younger at death than their families assumed them to be. More like 66 for Robert and 76 for Alice.
What I was hoping was that who ever had provided the info to your database had done a little more searching and could tell me either why I am wrong or, that I’m right…or close to…
Incidentally, if you look up all the newspapers for the arrival of the Hyderabad, it reveals a very interesting story…
So….can you help or do I wait until I can finally get a job again and have money in my pockets to waste on death certificates and the like?
Regards, Cheryl Stanborough
Hi Cheryl,
Let me explain the information we have. John Francis was buried in the Old Adaminaby Cemetery in 1917 aged 84 thus the birth date of 1833. The following link shows the information we have … http://www.monaropioneers.com/burial.records/Burial077.htm
The NSW online BDM Index shows his father as Robert (yes, not the most reliable of sources)
Now that is as far as I have got with John. Now let us look at what you are proposing.
Attached is the image of the Hyderabad passenger list for your use.
I think there is a high probability you are right! We do have a James Francis in our database (parents shown on the death reg as Robert and Alice) whose birth matches the James Francis, brother of John on the Hyderabad. The ages shown on the immigration lists is notoriously inaccurate as the individuals concerned tended to lie about their age to make their case for subsidy more compelling. The ages shown on the BDM Death Index are also unreliable as well.
So, what now! I am going to add Robert and Alice as the parents of John and also James in our database and see what our MP readership can add or challenge. In the interim, when you are able to obtain transcripts of the death of Robert or Alice or John that should provide any clues to support you supposition. Given there was only one Robert Francis on the Assisted Immigrants index and as their arrival date precedes the gold rush period it is a fair to assume you are correct until proven otherwise.
Regards, Ian
KINLYSIDE / MCDONALD
From:
Tony
Sent: Thursday, 7 May 2015 12:51 PM
Subject: Kinlyside / McDonald
Hi folks!
I am having a great time with the database and the new Facebook page. I have met many people and am rapidly working to update my records.
One omission – or link that may be broken, is the one between Thomas Kinlyside (MP 191556) and the McDonalds.
Donald Cameron (i6407), born 1 July 1829 Banavie Scotland, married Elizabeth McDonald (i6361) born 12 Jun 1843. They were married 23 April 1868 as per your records. Please find attached a copy of the marriage certificate.
The link that is missing in the records is that Elizabeth McDonald whom he married, is the daughter of Alexander McDonald (i85914) and Janet Kinlyside (I97280). In the database Alexander and Janet are not linked as husband and wife. They were recorded as NSW BDM 470/1843 V1843470 27 in district MJ ( church of England Canbury, Lake George Queanbeyan). It was hard to find as there was a space in between “Mc” and “Donald”. I only took a screenshot for my records ( a bit slack I know).
This information about her parents is recorded on her death certificate, where it states her father is Alexander McDonald and mother is Janet Kinlyside, as well as baptism. Both are attached.
Elizabeth McDonald was actually born 12 June 1841 but baptised 2 November 1843 – this is shown on the NSW BDM 44363 Vol 47 – copy attached. They recorded her birth as 1843.
This should tie the link between the Kinlysides, McDonalds and Camerons.
Kind Regards,
Tony Paul
Hi Tony,
We are delighted you are finding our database useful and Bruce Stubbs's Facebook page is certainly a huge hit.
Thank you for the copies of the certificates, we appreciate your help and support.
The "missing Link" has been rectified.
Regards, Ian
RAYNER
On 06/05/2015 18:05, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Rayner, Constance Anne (I11208)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I11208&tree=MP
Description: Died at Clare Holland House, Canberra, ACT
Funeral: 4 August 2009 Christ Church, Rutledge St, Queanbeyan, NSW
Buried: 4 August 2009, Queanbeyan Cemetery, NSW
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROBINSON
On 06/05/2015 16:28, Diane Clifton wrote:
Proposed Change: Robinson, Julia (I1951)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I1951&tree=MP
Description: Re: JULIA ROBINSON
Julia as per ships passenger list on the "Sir Henry Hardinge" was not travelling steerage, her description was "Lady" with infant. Arrived Port Phillip Bay and the onto Sydney.
The description from the SMH of her arrival in Sydney on board the "Shamrock" doesn't list her as a passenger, so she must have travelled steerage on that trip.
There is no record of her being married in England to James Robinson.
She had two brothers - James - B4.4.1821 & William -B15.1.1824 - Sisters Elizabeth & Mary.
Diane Clifton
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
FRANCIS
On 06/05/2015 16:09, Cheryl stanborough wrote:
Comments: G'day, wonder if you can provide a bit of advice. I was searching John Francis who is listed on your website and wondered who had provided the info and if I could contact them. Searching shipping lists and BDM etc I suspect that I have found the names of both his parents and when they arrived in OZ but not sure.
Is it possible for you to provide a contact email?
Cheryl stanborough
Hi Cheryl,
Which John Francis? We have a number of them in our database.
Regards, Ian
From: Janelle Jefferson
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2015 3:26 PM
Subject: Comments (Reports)
Comments (Reports): Hello,
In the April newsletter a Susan Robertson requested information of Allan Gatehouse, the last entry. I am his sister. Allan does not have the internet. Could you please supply me Susan Robertson's email address or forward mine to her.
Many thanks, Janelle Jefferson
Email address supplied.
Regards, Ian
BRIDLE
From:
ebruning
Sent: Wednesday, 6 May 2015 12:26 PM
Subject: Dear Ian,
Just a small request regarding Robert Bridle
On your site under Pioneers I then click on to Bridle, where there are two names William Bridle and William Bridle JR.
I am requesting that Robert Bridle (1839-1917) who died at Wangrabelle Station near Genoa in Victoria also be included.
Robert Bridle’s daughter Rosa Ada Bridle (1870-1955) and his wife was named Susan who also died the same year at Wangrabelle Station.
Thank you for your Monaro Pioneers.
Eugenie Bruning
Hi Eugenie,
Your request has been done.
Regards, Ian
From:
Gary Lucas [mailto:gjlucas@bigpond.net.au]
Sent: 2015-05-06 10:29 AM
Subject: Cooma War Trophy gun 13379
The Editor,
Liverpool Council is in possession of the Cooma War Trophy i,e 77mm gun 13379. I am seeking information as to when the gun left Cooma ( Weal Park) and why. This information is needed to complete the history of the gun’s movements and may shed some light as to the whereabouts of the Liverpool gun 8053 which is of the same style of the Cooma gun. Your assistance on this matter would be much appreciated.
Regards
Gary Lucas
1 Rugby Crescent
Chipping Norton
NSW 2170
6th May 2015
0417451813
ROBINSON
On 05/05/2015 22:44, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Robinson, Lydia Amelia (I10263)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I10263&tree=MP
Description: Died: 1933, New Zealand NZ Death Index 1933/19597
Additional Children to Lydia and William:
Richard Lionel Lillas B 18 Sep 1907 Pongaroa, New Zealand; NSW Birth Index 1907/21828; D 25 March 1997, Sydney, NSW. Ryerson Index Arthur Flanel Lillas B 13 June 1911, New Zealand; NZ Birth Index 1911/14852; D 2002, NZ Death Index 2002/5687 Dulcie Irene Lillas B 1913 New Zealand; NZ Birth Index 1913/2624 Ita Lydia Lillas B 1915 New Zealand; NZ Birth Index 1915/3430
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
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