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Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
2016 Number 4
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
IMPORTANT
Hi Folks,
The Eden Monaro Pioneers and Settlers database now has over 388,000 individuals and thousands of images of people, documents, headstones, convict records and immigration passenger lists that can be searched and perused but the process of extracting the information can be quite laborious. The database expansion has more or less come to an end and only maintenance updates and new image additions continue but even those are rapidly declining as you can probably detect from the reduced Newsletter activity.
So perhaps it is time to make the entire database and all the images available to be downloaded and used on your own computer to make the extraction of information and images more efficient. The size of the download file would exceed 4gigabytes and would require the Genealogy Program "Legacy" to be installed to use it. "Legacy" standard edition can be downloaded from the following website for free … http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/. Once you have "Legacy" and the database installed, you could easily extract information to be added to family trees in other software programs via the export and import options. Personally, I consider "Legacy" to be the Rolls Royce of genealogy software available and now that Family Tree Maker is being discontinued more and more people will be making the switch. Apple users would need the Windows emulator until the Mac version is available. A separate gedcom file is also available for anyone wishing to use a different software program.
If you want to have your own personal copy of the MP database, free of course, the please send me an email so that I can provide you with the necessary link to enable you to access and download the files.
Regards, Ian Harvey
ian@monaropioneers.com
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CURRENT CORRESPONDENCE:
BLEWITT
On 05/05/2016 21:20, warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Blewitt, Stanislaus (I113763)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I113763&tree=MP
Description: Seems to be a boxer?
THE BIG FIGHT. J. Shepherd, weighing 11st., versus Stan Blewitt, 11.3.
Both men were in the pink of condition and were cheered as they took their corners. Eric Blewitt was behind his brother, and Bert Naveau was in Shepherd's corner. Up to the second round Shepherd was doing well, but Blewitt hugged the ropes and would not give him a chance.
Shepherd swung some heavy blows to Blewitt's head, but this agile opponent was not there. In the fourth round, Shepherd showed signs of distress and was all in. He looked to his second, who was on the point of throwing in the towel when the gong went. In the last round some hard hitting took place and at its conclusion Blewitt was awarded the belt.
Queanbeyan Age and Queanbeyan Observer (NSW : 1915 - 1927), Tue 8 Mar 1921,Page 2
warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
INGRAM
From:
Nicky Maxwell
Sent: 3 May, 2016 10:03 PM
Subject: Contribution to Monaro Pioneers
Hi Ian,
I am a descendent of Henry and Jane Ingram
Thomas Arthur Ingram
Zilla Marriot (Ingram)
Olga Zilla Marriot (Dingwall) – My Grandmother
I have photos and accurate information of Olga, her 2nd husband Fredrick George Dingwall and their 12 children
Is this information useful to you?
Would you like me to send it to you?
Look forward to hearing from you, thanks for a great website – very useful in my quest to find my ancestors
Kind regards, Nicky
Hi Nicki,
Thank you for the offer, yes we would very much appreciate any additional information and images you can contribute.
Regards, Ian
Terrific,
I'll get started this weekend. What's the best format for information?
is a spreadsheet okay?
Or text in an email?
Images and documents are pdf or jpeg - decent to high quality
I've attached 4 photos to start with;
Olga Zilla Marriot (Dingwall) – My Grandmother
Fredrick George Dingwall - My Grandfather
Henry James Ingram - Bombala Cemetery
Jane Ann Ingram - Bombala Cemetery
Thanks for the response, look forward to helping you build the story
Kind regards, Nicky
Hi Nicky,
Your photos were excellent.
Please send your information as text.
Regards, Ian
Hi Ian,
Documents attached:
Olga Zilla Marriott (Dingwall) - Marriage certificate 1933
Olga Zilla Marriott (Dingwall) - Death certificate 1978
Zilla Marriott - Death Certificate 1962
Note: Zilla Marriott's mother is listed on death certificate as Bessie Ingram formerly Elton
Robert Fredrick Marriott - Death Certificate 1941
Emma Marie Marriott - Death Certificate 1939
Robert Marriott - Death Certificate 1921
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
LODGE
On 03/05/2016 16:00, warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Lodge, William Timothy (I383638)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I383638&tree=MP
Description: Marriage
Friends from the Royal Military College, Duntroon, offered congratulations and good wishes to Private William Lodge and Mrs Lodge after their marriage on Saturday at St Thomas More's Church, Campbell.
The bride is the daughter of Mr and Mrs E. Slater, of Sydney.
The Canberra Times (ACT : 1926 - 1995), Mon 31 Jan 1966, Page 7
warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
IRWIN
From:
Lesley Egen
Sent: 1 May, 2016 6:05 PM
Subject: IRWIN, Noble MP180856
Hi Ian,
Just noticed on the Noble IRWIN site that his 2nd wife Amelia Fisher MP235860 (whom he married 14.2.1859 in Goulburn) is shown as having a daughter Amelia in 1886. I am in receipt of Amelia’s DEATH Certificate showing she died at 62 years of age (senile decay/2 months) on 16 August 1886. The information on this certificate is supplied by her son George (indicated as the only child of her marriage) aged 26 years.
I acknowledge that a Braidwood Cemetery site shows Amelia as born and died in 1886, which I believe to be wrong.
ALSO when looking for the birth of George Irwin I found his birth is registered as IRVIN, (NSW BDM 5526/1960) at Braidwood (12.3.1860) showing the correct parents (Noble and Amelia).
Keep up the wonderful work you and the team do.
Regards, Lesley
Hi Lesley,
Thanks, the database shows Amelia Noble nee Fisher with a mother called Amelia (BDM Index) but no daughter. She does have a son now thanks to your input.
Regards, Ian
Hi again Ian,
According to the marriage certificate of Noble Irwin and Amelia Fisher (14.2.1859) her parents are listed as William Fisher (Farmer) and Mary Kilburn. Her place of residence is listed as Towrang. Her place of birth is listed as Connecticut, her age 30
I do grant that the Death record (1886) shows her father’s both names as ‘unknown’ and the mother’s maiden surname shows Fisher and other name as Amelia. It also shows she was in NSW for ‘about 30 years’ and place of birth ‘America’.
A few things don’t add up correctly, I would have more faith in the marriage details as she was then only 30 and one would hope she was NOT telling ‘pork pies’ whereas her son 26/27 years later could have been confused when supplying details at the time of her death.
I will leave it at that as all this could be like ‘chasing a lost cause’.
Regards, Lesley
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WALKER
From:
M & G Coates
Sent: 30 April, 2016 4:44 PM
Subject: Richard Walker
Hi Ian,
Richard Walker is the great great grandfather of my husband. We have been doing very detailed research into the family and you have a number of mistakes and omissions listed. Richard Walker arrived as a convict but when he died in 1873 he owned land and animals to the value of 300 pounds. This land was at Creekborough (today Bywong) and also in Bungendore. He was assigned to Thomas Macquoid at Wanniassa property where he stayed until the land was sold after Macquoid’s son died.
Richard Walker’s parent’s names are unknown as the ones on his death certificate are incorrect as Ann Maquire was his wife. He was born in 1802.
Margaret Walker and Bernard Cunningham had 7 children:
Ann (Catherine) 1854, died ?
Laurence 1856 & died 2 Feb 1894 in Sydney
Ellen 1858 & died 1903 in Goulburn
Edward 1861 & died 2 Apr at Bungendore
Margaret 1864 and died 18 March 1926 in Sydney
Bernard 1870 and died 16 Apr 1950 in Bungendore
John R 1874 and died 7 Apr 1941 in Bungendore.
John Walker married Ann McNamara who was living on the adjoining property to Wanniassa “Woden”, in 1857 at St. Gregory’s, Queanbeyan. They had 7 children:
Margaret (Maggie) 1858 and died 8 Oct 1939 in Goulburn
Richard 1860 and died after 1939
Mary 1862 and died between 1897 and 1939
John (Jack) 1864 and died prior 1939
Catherine (Kate) 1867 and died 11 June 1916 in Goulburn
Ann 1869 and died 8 Jul 1930 in Sydney
Bridget (Josephine) 1873 and died 14 Mar 1943 in Newcastle
Richard Walker married Maria Regan 19 Jan 1857 in Goulburn. They had 4 children.
Margaret Matilda 1857 and died 1858 in Queanbeyan
John Richard 1859 and died 20 Mar 1888 near Dubbo
Catherine Ann 1861 and died 24 June 1942 in Sydney
Richard 1863 and died ?
Hope this is helpful. I also have the descendants of each of the three children of Richard Walker the convict.
Best wishes, Maureen & Greg Coates
Hi,
Thank you for the information, any additional details you can provide would be much appreciated.
Regards, Ian
QUIGLEY
On 30/04/2016 11:32, Debbie Anne Hogan wrote:
Proposed Change: Quigley, Eliza (I133036)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I133036&tree=MP
Description: Eliza Quigley (Dengate ) died on the 9th April 1963 she is buried at the Catholic Cemetery on the Middle Arm Rd Goulburn NSW. She was my Great Grandmother.
Debbie Anne Hogan (Nee Bush)
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
BOSWELL
On 30/04/2016 10:24, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Boswell, Charles E. R. (I319312)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I319312&tree=MP
Description: death
BOSWELL Charles Redvers Death notice 26JUL1934 Death 34 at Mittagong
Sydney Morning Herald 27JUL1934
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
HIGGINS
On 27/04/2016 00:33, LJ Phillips wrote:
Proposed Change: Higgins, Charles Joseph (I167758)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I167758&tree=MP
Description: From 'The Canberra Times', 17 January 1959:
HIGGINS, Charles Joseph - January 15, 1959, at RPA Hospital, Sydney of
23 Tems Crescent, Ainslie. Dearly loved husband of Elsie and loving father of Denise and brother of James (dec), Desmond (Canberra), Phyl (Mrs Hawke, Canberra), Helen (Mrs B Constance, Bega), Katherine (Mrs
Armstrong) and Mary (Mrs O'Neil) (deceased). Aged 48 years. Requiescat In Pace.
HIGGINS - The relatives of friends of the late Mr Charles Joseph Higgins are invited to attend his funeral which will leave St > Patrick's Church, Braddon, this Saturday morning after prayer commencing at 10.30 am, for internment in the Canberra Public Cemetery. Holy Mass for the repose of his soul will be celebrated at 7 am.
LJ Phillips
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WALKER
From: Ashley Watson
Sent: 27 April, 2016 7:18 AM
Subject: Convict addition to E-M database
Hello Ian,
I would be able to provide information on Richard Walker (my 4G gf) and his descendants. He arrived on the Calcutta II in 1837 and was assigned to Waniassa. Later selected and farmed at Creekborough near Bungendore. Died 1873. Let me know if interested.
Regards, Ashley Watson, Canberra
Hi Ashley,
Thank you for the offer, yes we would very much appreciate any additional information you can provide.
Regards, Ian
WATSON
On 26/04/2016 22:53, LJ Phillips wrote:
Proposed Change: Watson, Ellen (I387284)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I387284&tree=MP
Description: Ellen WATSON married Charles William WILKINSON on 17 March 1909 at Germanton, NSW.
Charles William WILKINSON was born 7 October 1873, Phillip Island, VIC; died 26 December 1941, Canberra, ACT; buried Woden Cemetery, ACT.
From 'The Canberra Times', 27 December 1941:
WILKINSON - Mr Charles Wilkinson, a resident of Canberra for more than
20 years, passed away at the age of 68 years in the Canberra Hospital yesterday. He was formerly an employee of the Department of the Interior. Two sons, William and Jack, are serving with the AIF in the Middle East. A daughter, Mrs Grace Hile, resides in Canberra, and another daughter, Mrs Harman, lives in Victoria. Two sons, Walter and Charlie, are at Warrell Creek.
WILKINSON - The relatives and friends of the late Charles William Wilkinson are invited to attend his funeral on THIS DAY (December 27) after a service commencing at 3.15 pm in the Salvation Army Hall, Braddon. The cortege will leave for the Canberra Public Cemetery at Salvation Army section at 3.30 pm. MASON BROS, Funeral Directors.
LJ Phillips
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WATSON
On 26/04/2016 21:53, LJ Phillips wrote:
Proposed Change: Watson, Henry George (I387286)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I387286&tree=MP
Description: From 'The Canberra Times', 23 March 1959:
WATSON - March 22, suddenly, Henry George (Harry), of Wakefield Gardens, Ainslie. Beloved husband of Louisa Clara, father of Valda, Herbert, Joan, Mavis, Emily, and Lavinia. Aged 70.
From 'The Canberra Times', 24 March 1959:
WATSON - The relatives and friends of the late Mr Henry George Watson, of 98 Wakefield Gardens, Ainslie, are invited to attend his funeral, which will leave the Parish Church of All Saints, Ainslie, to-day, Tuesday, after a service commencing at 2 pm, for internment in the Church of England portion of the Canberra Public Cemetery. Transport for friends is available from the Church.
From 'The Canberra Times', 26 March 1959:
Associated With Canberra 46 Years A resident who had been associated with Canberra and district for 46 years, died on Sunday. He was Mr Henry George Watson, 70, of Wakefield Gardens, Ainslie. Mr Watson first came to Canberra looking for work in 1913. He worked on the land, living in tents, for two years and then returned to his birthplace, Albury. In 1925 he returned with his family and worked first with the Lands Department and then with the Department of the Interior. He stayed with the Department of the Interior until he retired in 1954.
Shortly after he returned he lived with his family in the old tenements at Sandwash and later at Duntroon. For the last 23 years he and his family had lived at Ainslie. His association with St John's Church dated back to 1913, but in the last few years he has been a parishioner of All Saints', Ainslie. The Church, sport and gardening were his main interests. His friends said he could always be found wherever there was a good football match being played. Since he retired he spend much of his leisure time in his garden and won many prizes in church gardening competitions. He is survived by his widow, one son, Mr Herbert Watson, of Western Australia, and five daughters, Valda (Mrs A Carling, of Canberra), Joan (Mrs M Edlington, of Tuggeranong), Mavis (Mrs F Einsaar, of Canberra), Emily, of Sydney, and Lavina (Mrs L Debenham, of Nowra).
LJ Phillips
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On 26/04/2016 21:58, LJ Phillips wrote:
Proposed Change: Watson, Henry George (I387286)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I387286&tree=MP
Description: Henry George WATSON married Louisa Clara SEMLER on 11 February 1915 at Mundawaddera, NSW.
Louisa Clara SEMLER was born 2 November 1894, Wagga Wagga, NSW; died 11 August 1962, Sydney, NSW; buried Woden Cemetery, ACT.
From 'The Canberra Times', 13 August 1962:
WATSON, Louisa Clara On August 11, 1962, at Sydney Hospital, late of
98 Wakefield Gardens, Ainslie, relict of the late Henry George Watson, beloved mother of Valda (Mrs A Carling, Canberra), Herbert (Perth, WA), Joan (Mrs M Edlington, Tuggeranong), Mavis (Mrs S Einsarr, Canberra), Emily (Sydney), Lavina (Mrs L Debenham, Nowra) and Norma (deceased). Aged 67 years.
WATSON The relatives and friends of the late Mrs Louisa Clara Watson, of 98 Wakefield Gardens, Ainslie, are respectfully invited to attend her funeral to leave the Parish Church of All Saints, Ainslie, after services to commence at 10.30 am today, Monday, for internment in the Church of England portion of the Canberra Cemetery.
LJ Phillips
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
HAYES
On 26/04/2016 11:58, Ian Armstrong wrote:
Proposed Change: Hayes, Andrew Charles (I84456)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I84456&tree=MP
Description: Cause of death - Mary Jane Hayes (Andrew's sister - my
grandmother) told us that Andrew drowned while trying cross a flooded watercourse.
Ian Armstrong
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
DUNCAN
On 25/04/2016 20:44, Ron Morcom wrote:
Proposed Change: Duncan, Arthur (I108040)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I108040&tree=MP
Description: Hi, I came across this posting today and just wanted to check if you have further information on this Arthur Duncan. While some records state he was born in Bombala I have found some inconsistencies and I think Arthur is in fact my grandfathers brother and he was born in Hunslet, England and later lived at Hatton Mains Farm, Ratho Scotland where he was the Estate Clerk.
I believe this for the following reasons:
* His army records give NOK as Margaret Duncan of 10 Union Place, Scotland. My grandfather's parents lived at 10 Union Place, Montrose, Scotland in 1917 and this was the same address given on my grandfathers enlistment papers.
* Both his marriage certificate and death certificate state his parents were Archibald Duncan and Margaret Baird (same surname as Lillian's
mother) which are my grandfather's parents.
* one of the newspaper articles refers to his elderly mother in NZ.
Archibald and Margaret Duncan emigrated to Christchurch NZ in 1923 with their daughter, Ethel.
Our family is aware my grandfather had a brother in Australia but did not know much about him. From the info I have I believe this Arthur Duncan is his brother. However, as there are some inconsistences in the info I would like to check further. If you can assist in me proving this it would be appreciated.
I am happy to share the info I have in this regard.
Cheers, Ron Morcom
Hi Ron,
All the information we have is available on our website, if you have copies of Arthur's MC and DC then you already have the most reliable means of resolving your question.
Regards, Ian
BROWN
On 22/04/2016 21:59, LJ Phillips wrote:
Proposed Change: Brown, Ann Elizabeth (I79046)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I79046&tree=MP
Description: From 'The Canberra Times', 1 January 1946:
THOMPSON (Higgins) - The relatives and friends of Mr and Mrs James Higgins, Mr Desmond Higgins, Mr and Mrs Charles Higgins, Mr and Mrs B Constance and family of Bega, Mr and Mrs H Armstrong and family, Mr and Mrs B Hawke, Mr Joe O'Neill and daughter Adrienne, are invited to attend the funeral of their late dearly loved mother, mother-in-law, and grandmother, Annie Elizabeth Thompson (Higgins), to leave the Parish Church of St Christopher's, Canberra, this morning at 10 o'clock, for the Catholic portion of the Canberra General Cemetery.
LJ Phillips
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
FLOOD
On 21/04/2016 19:09, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Flood, Keiran Aubrey (I124587)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I124587&tree=MP
Description: Children of Keiren and Roberta are:
1. William Archibald FLOOD I77875
2. Robert Keiren FLOOD I70987
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
RIXON
From:
Joye Walsh
Sent: 2016-04-19 9:41 PM
Subject: Re: Monaro Pioneers Newsletter - March 2016
Hi David
Always interesting to read the Newsletter. I do hope it continues.
Attached below is a photo of the headstone recently installed for James Rixon at Windsor. It also acknowledges his partner Amelia Goodwin who is buried at Campbelltown and their 5 sons.
The unveiling on April 10 of the headstone for James Rixon was attended by about 60 people. One "twig" from each of the 5 son's lines uncovered the headstone. It is intended to hold the second Rixon Family Gathering at Windsor in May 2018.
Cheers, Joye
Thank you Joye,
Regards, Ian
YELDS
On 20/04/2016 15:17, Barbara Head wrote:
Proposed Change: Yelds, D.I. (I203810)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I203810&tree=MP
Description: Dorothy Elliot nee Yelds died a few years ago.
She had been married to Noel Elliot. They lived in Jannali NSW.
Barbara Head
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
YELDS
On 20/04/2016 15:39, barbara head wrote:
Proposed Change: Family: Yelds, Oliver Albert / Cunningham, G.F.
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F78810&tree=MP
Description: Oliver's 1.first wife was Eileen Leahey 2.second wife Gloria Cunningham married by Fr. Kerrigan maybe West Granville, somewhere there , I was.) Roman Catholic Church 27 July 1957 or 1956! Sorry.
She was born on the "Glorious 4 July" that is why Florence called her Gloria!! She died in Sydney about 1966,7.
3. Jean
barbara head
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WRIGHT
From:
T. Toohill
Sent: 17 April, 2016 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: book research into Charley Wright's, Square Hill
Hi Ian,
I am hoping you could assist me.
I am researching a book on historical gold finds / gold history in Australia and I am trying to find out information on Charley Wright's, Square Hill, Maneroo, about twenty two miles from Cooma where gold was located in 1852.
Any information is greatly appreciated. I can be contacted at this email address.
Hopefully talk soon.
Trudy Toohill.
Hi Trudy,
Sorry, I have no knowledge of a "Square Hill" unfortunately. There was a property called "Square Range" near Nimmitabel.
This email will be included in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers can assist you. I also suggest you add your request to our Facebook page so if that brings any results.
Regards, Ian
WESTON
On 16/04/2016 19:01, Sue Elliott wrote:
Proposed Change: Family: Weston, Lieutenant William Francis / Crouch, Elizabeth
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F1064&tree=MP
Description: John Samuel Henry WESTON is not their child he is William Francis brother. JOHN WESTON 17/11/1816 was registered under (CROUCH) in Surrey England because he was born before their marriage. John WESTON married Agnes BALDWIN 1847. JOHN SAMUEL HENRY WESTON WAS BORN TO HENRY PERKINS IN 1791.
Sue Elliott
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
From:
Shirley Sproats
Sent: 13 April, 2016 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: Monaro Pioneers Newsletter - March 2016
Dear Ian
I read with interest your memo and a very big thank you for all your dedication and time consuming work done for the cause – 10 years is a long time!
Anyhow, congratulations to yourself and David on creating and maintaining such an invaluable family history repository that has created a “community” for those researching their ancestors on the Monaro and Far South Coast – the areas down there have such a rich European history! My ancestors on both sides all settled on the Far South Coast/Monaro in the 1840s through early 1860s.
Also, I am always amazed how many people I have met in Sydney involved in researching their family history who know about the Monaro Pioneers website.
I don’t know how I can help but how disappointing that discussions with the National Library proved “fruitless”! Perhaps, by now, you have received responses from persons/entities volunteering to help maintain the database. I feel that the ideal is that volunteers can be found to maintain the database as is.
Let me know how I could help in some small way once you “digest” responses.
If it comes to having to have a copy of the MP database, I use Mac. I could pay you to download to USB on my behalf and then I can download when Mac version is available.
Again, thank you and best wishes, Shirley Sproats
Thank you Shirley,
I can provide you with a link to a gedcom file of the database if that helps.
Regards, Ian
SAUDERMAN
On 12/04/2016 11:31, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Sauderman, Ernestine Emma Amelia (I303381)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I303381&tree=MP
Description: The surname is SANDEMAN and Ernestine was probably born in Australia.
She married Charles J B MORRIS 1909 in NSW.
Kellie
On 12/04/2016 14:35, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Sauderman, Ernestine Emma Amelia (I303381)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I303381&tree=MP
Description: It appears Ernestine was born in England then the family returned to Australia again.
Name: Ernistine Emma Amelia Sandeman
Birth: 20 Nov 1865
Baptism: 7 Apr 1866 - Saint James,Westminster,London,England
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
KENNELL
On 12/04/2016 10:46, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Kennell, Edward George (I386689)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I386689&tree=MP
Description: This Edward who had a daughter Gertrude 1912 with Alice Kate, then in 1915 married one of Alice's daughters (Ethel May)from a previous relationship was not the Seaman.
The Edward George who was a seaman and died 1966 was born 1936 in QLD.
This Edward George is listed on all electoral rolls as a 'linesman'.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
TINDALL
From: Valma Hick
Sent: 8 April, 2016 12:16 PM
Subject: Tindall - Family History from Janet Pritchard - MP Newsletter 2016 , No.3
Dear Ian,
I found the marriage for Daniel Tindall and Jane Davis late last year and having never been able to find any sort of relationship for Daniel Tindall and Jane/Amelia Jane Doyle added the information to my Douch-Roberts Extended Family Tree at Ancestry.com -
The information below is a copy I now have on my home computer -
" Daniel Tindall & I now believe Jane DAVIS not Amelia Jane Doyle
was his spouse & my 4th great grandmother - on all records she is recorded as "Jane" even for her second marriage after Daniel's death in
1827 to her son James Tindall my 3rd grt Tindall grandfather's wife Almeria Palmer's widower father Charles Palmer in Sep 1829 at Penrith, NSW. I found this marriage information - at Ancestry.com.au - Jane Davis
in the Surrey, England, Marriages, 1754-1937 Saved to DAVIS, JANE in tree "Douch - Roberts Extended Family Tree"
Name: Jane Davis
Marriage Date: 28 Nov 1792
Archive Provided Parish: Croydon, St John Parish as it Appears: Croydon
Spouse: Daniel Tindall
Reference Number: 2888/1/28
First child - Daniel Tindall Jnr's Birth & Christening information - Note mother Jane (not Amelia Jane)?
Daniel Tindell
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 Saved to TINDALL, Daniel in tree "Douch - Roberts Extended Family Tree"
Name: Daniel Tindell
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 16 Mar 1795
Baptism Date: 19 Apr 1795
Baptism Place: Saint Olave,Southwark,Surrey,England
Father: Daniel Tindell
Mother: Jane
FHL Film Number: 375310
1st daughter Mary Burcher born Tindall's Christening Record -
Mary Tindall
in the London, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812 Saved to TINDALL, Mary in tree "Douch - Roberts Extended Family Tree"
Record Image View
Name: Mary Tindall
Baptism Date: 28 May 1797
Parish: St Olave, Bermondsey
County: Surrey
Borough: Southwark
Parent(s): Daniel Tindall,
Jane Tindall
Record Type: Christening
Register Type: Parish Register
Nowhere have I ever been able to find any documentation for Daniel Tindall & Amelia Jane Doyle. So until I find another marriage for 4th grt grandfather Daniel Tindall,, with an Amelia Jane Doyle I will keep Jane Davis on my tree as his spouse."
I have now asked a Tindall cousin Danni Reid who lives in England if she may be able to confirm this information for me.
I would also like to say I for one would love to be able to have my own personal copy of the MP database. Due to some ongoing health problems within my family I have not been able to to keep up adding and updating the many family connections information over the last two years that I now have.
However, very slowly I am catching up. Thanks to the Monaro Pioneers facebook group I am also in contact with many of my family connections.
Thank you Ian for all the hard work you have and are doing for the many pioneering families of the Eden/Monaro and surrounds area. Much appreciated.
Cheers, Valma
Thank you Valma for the kind words and support, you have made my task a lot easier through your generous information contributions.
Regards, Ian
From:
Gwen Hubert
Sent: 2016-04-08 10:59 PM
Subject: Future of Monaro Pioneers
Dear David,
Would it be feasible to publish Monaro Pioneers in the form of a book?
Just a suggestion from Gwen Hubert
Hi Gwen,
Thanks for the suggestion, it would be feasible but a massive amount of effort. Would not give researchers the flexibility of copying like it does now though. If someone wants to take on that task I would be happy provide advice.
Regards, Ian
McGOVERN
On 08/04/2016 21:40, warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: McGovern, Sarah Ann (I46683)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I46683&tree=MP
Description: Obituary Mrs. Annie Garradd, wife of Mr. John Garradd, carrier and trainer, died on Thursday at her husband's residence, 43 Addison-street, at the age of 64. Mrs. Garradd was born in Ireland, coming to Australia when quite young. She had lived in this city for many years, and was much esteemed by all who knew her. Her health had been indifferent for a long time, as she was a victim to heart trouble.
Besides her husband, she is survived by two sons-Messrs Patrick James, and William Patrick.
Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW : 1881 - 1940) Sat 30 Jun 1923 Page 2
In the Supreme Court of New South Wales. Probate Jurisdiction in the Will of Sarah Ann Garradd, late of Goulburn, in the State of New South Wales, wife of John Reay Garradd, of the same place, Contractor, deceased.
APPLICATION will be made after fourteen days from the publication hereof that Probate of the last will and testament of the above named deceased may be granted to William Patrick Garradd. and John Charles Walsh, the Executors in the said Will named. And all persons having any claims against the estate of the said deceased are requested to send particulars thereof to the undersigned, on whom all notices may be served, J. C. WALSH, Proctor, - Goulburn.
Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW : 1881 - 1940) Thu 19 Jul 1923, Page 3
warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
McCABE
On 08/04/2016 21:37, warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: McCabe, Mary (I61870)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I61870&tree=MP
Description: Is this the same Mary?
DEATH.
DONNELLY. On the 12th July, at her residence, Little Addison-street, South Goulburn, MARY DONNELLY, relict of the late James Donnelly ; aged
73 years.
Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW : 1881 - 1940) Tue 30 Jul 1895 , Page 2
THE Friends of MISS LIZZIE McGOVERN are respectfully requested to attend the funeral of her late beloved MOTHER, Mrs. Mary Donnelly, to move from her late residence, Australia street, South Goulburn, on Sunday afternoon, at 2.30.
THE Friends of MR. and MRS. N. JEWELL are respectfully requested to attend the funeral of their late beloved MOTHER, Mrs. M. Donnelly, to move from her late residence, Australia street, South Goulburn, on Sunday afternoon, at 2.30.
THE Friends of MR. and MRS. J. R. GARRADD are respectfully requested to attend the funeral of their late beloved MOTHER, Mrs. M. Donnelly, to move from her late residence, Australia street, South Goulburn, on Sunday afternoon, at 2.30.
THE Friends of MR. and MRS. POOLE are respectfully requested to attend the funeral of their late beloved GRANDMOTHER, Mrs. M. Donnelly, to move from her late residence, Australia street, South Goulburn, on Sunday afternoon, at 2.30.
Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW : 1881 - 1940) Sat 13 Jul 1895, Page 3
warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
JEWELL
On 08/04/2016 22:22, warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Jewell, Henry Joseph (I246954)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I246954&tree=MP
Description: OBITUARY
MR. HENRY JEWELL The death occurred in St. John of God's Hospital yesterday afternoon of Mr. Henry Jewell, who had resided in Goulburn for many years. He was 65 years of age, and prior to his retirement in May last was employed in the Per Way branch of the Railway Department as a
wood machinist. Mr. Jewell was a native of Devonshire, England, and
came to Australia at an early age. He served the N.S.W. Railway Commissioners for nearly 45 years and for most of this time was stationed in Goulburn. Prior to his removal to hospital he had been living with his son, Mr. H. Jewell, of Corramandel Street. He is also survived by another son, Mr. W. Jewell, of Auburn street, and three daughters, Miss Mary Jewell (Sydney), Mrs. Stewart Ferguson (Dulwich Hill), and Miss Nance Jewell (Marrickville).
Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW : 1881 - 1940) Wed 6 Jul 1927, Page 4
warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
GARRADD
On 08/04/2016 21:49, warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Garradd, John Raey (I46679)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I46679&tree=MP
Description: MR. JOHN GARRADD Following a brief illness, the death occurred at his residence, Addison Street, early this morning, of Mr.
John Garradd, aged 76, a Goulburn identity. News of his death came as a great shock to his many friends. The late Mr. Garradd had resided in this city for many years. He was employed by the Goulburn City Council for more than 15 years. During the building of SS. Peter and Paul's Cathedral he was responsible for the whole of the scaffolding, the erection of which was regarded as something of a feat. In later years when one of the crosses on the roof was broken, Mr. Garradd's services were requisitioned to carry out the difficult task of replacing it. He was a man of many sides and when it came to a question of lifting heavy weights he was a master with ropes and pulleys. Mr. Garradd was well-known to Goulburn race-goers, and for many years had charge of the barrier at the racecourse. He had various horses from time to time and met with some success at different race meetings in the country.
For many years he has had charge of the well-known performer, Beon. The late Mr. Garradd's wife pre-deceased him by several years. He is survived by two sons, Messrs. Robert and William, both of Goulburn. He also leaves one sister Mrs. Perkins (Sydney), and two brothers, Messrs.
William Garradd (Coromandel Street) and Dudley Garradd (Sydney). The funeral will leave his late residence to-morrow afternoon for the Church of England portion of the General Cemetery.
Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW : 1881 - 1940) Mon 12 Jun 1933 Page 3
JOHN GARRADD An Appreciation By E.F.T.
Death. which has been relentless of late in robbing us of many estimable citizens has again added to his grim toll by bereaving us of him who in his lifetime was a fond husband, a good parent and a respected and worthy citizen-John (familiarly known to most people as Jack) Garradd.
In his young days inured to many hardships, Jack faced them with such courage and fortitude that he not only surmounted the difficulties with credit to himself, but built out of his trials such self reliance and virile manhood as to be a credit to himself and somewhat of an example to all. Many will remember Jack's famous remark, "Brown Joe," signifying no more argument but more work. His intense love of animals, particularly the horse and the dog, his ready assistance to all in need and, his warm smile and hearty joy of life radiated so much happiness wherever he was. I mourn Jack Garradd, particularly for many acts of kindness and help and, with all decent citizens, I deplore his departure as one who at this time particularly, will be missed when honest dealings, cherriness, due acknowledgement of the rights and privileges of man and beast are seriously wanting. Many, self-reliable, mostly self taught, yielding always to others their true worth; helping private and public efforts wherever he was drafting, gifted with sound sense generally and natural wit, I can only, now that he is gone, record to good old Jack's memory my appreciation of him in the worlds of the great human poet:
"His life was gentle, and the elements So mixed in him, that Nature might stand up, And say to all the world, "this was a man.' "
Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW : 1881 - 1940) Thu 15 Jun 1933 Page 2
warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
From:
Ken Wiblin
Sent: 9 April, 2016 8:04 AM
Subject: Future Ownership of MP Website
Hi Ian,
Re: your call for suggestions for someone taking ownership of the MP website in the future. It is a pity that your discussions with the NLA weren’t successful as Monaro Pioneers is such a fantastic resource for family historians with an interest in southern NSW and it deserves to be formally supported in the future. The amount of information available is amazing for a free website and it is great that members are able to collaborate to provide more information to an extensive historical archive. I think the major issue, and you would probably agree, is that currently the whole website and database is very dependent on yourself and this comes with significant risk ….. known as a “single point of failure” where I work. If, for some reason, you were unavailable for an extended period support for the whole thing would probably stop and would unravel as time went on. Going forward the website and the database needs to be supported by an organisation or association where multiple people are involved and understand how it works and how to update and maintain it.
My suggestion is that it might be worthwhile to contact the Society of Australian Genealogists (SAG) in Sydney. They have extensive archives for NSW in particular so they would surely be interested in the material in MP. They may not be able to take it on themselves but may be able to provide some contacts who you may be able to discuss this with. If you don’t have contact information for SAG please let me know.
Regards, Ken Wiblin
Hi Ken,
Thanks for the response, you have defined the situation perfectly.
I have not considered SAG at this point but I am certainly willing to discuss the situation with them. Can you provide an introduction?
My major concern about any family history group is the issue of free access. Most of those groups are looking for revenue sources to fund their very existence.
Regards, Ian
HAYES
On 07/04/2016 18:59, Ian Armstrong wrote:
Proposed Change: Hayes, Mary Jane (I84459)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I84459&tree=MP
Description: Hi,
I am Mary Janes Hayes grandson - these are some details of her marriage and children.
Regards, Ian
Details for Mary Jane Hayes from BDM Registry and family records.
Marriage
Thomas Martin Armstrong to Mary Jane Hayes
11735/1910 ARMSTRONG THOMAS M HAYES MARY J CANTERBURY
Children
Births
15901/1912 ARMSTRONG HAZEL M THOMAS M MARY J DUBBO
44993/1914 ARMSTRONG CHARLES A THOMAS M MARY J DUBBO
Deaths
27103/1944 ARMSTRONG THOMAS MARTIN JOHN MARY ANN PICTON
11 AUGUST 1976 ARMSTRONG MARY JANE ANDREW MARY AUBURN from Family
records (son Charles Andrew Armstrong)
Details for her husband Thomas Martin Armstrong from BDM Birth Family lore has him born at Bombala (then registered at Goulburn?).
9103/1868 ARMSTRONG THOMAS M JOHN MARY A GOULBURN
Ian Armstrong
Thank you Ian,
Regards, Ian
From:
Suzanne Newton
Sent: 7 April, 2016 4:49 PM
Subject: Continuance or Archiving for survival
Ian I shamefully admit I do not always read the newsletter from Monaro Pioneers but did so today.
I think if you want to ensure the site endures then perhaps the options are as follows:
Make us pay for the convenience of having your entire collection:
Answer: I have considered this option but was discouraged by the massive additional administrative load I would face in the physical burning of each CD/USB and the posting process. I really don't have the time to keep running backwards and forwards to the post office. Plus the cost of the postage and the CD/USB media would need to be recouped thus a payment infrastructure would be needed and administered. I want the database to be available to newsletter and Facebook readers at no cost.
Answer: This is exactly what I want do and I believe I can achieve it with Microsoft's OneDrive. I believe I can give specific access to a designated folder by using email addresses from those folks who want the complete package. I can also include a gedcom file of the full database so that non-Legacy and Apple users can simply import the complete file into the software of choice. The real key is to have all the images and their linkages to individuals available when either the Legacy file or the gedcom file is used.
Answer: I just cannot find a simple way to achieve this and believe me I have been looking for years. A self-contained standalone solution would be ideal but is not possible because the database structures need SQL.
Do nothing and let the site run its time. If Facebook makes it redundant then it is merely a sign of the times and then to preserve it if you are dead keen on saving site and contents see if you can create a generic format e.g. pdf file
Answer: Facebook is not the issue, as it just an offshoot of the MP Site anyway. The real issue is finding a permanent hosting site to contain the actual website material that will be available in perpetuity without me having to pay annual fees for the privilege. When you enter www.monaropioneers.com your browser will link to the physical address represented by that URL and run a specific HTML file (techy talk for a webpage) which is the MP homepage. Then as you click each "link" your browser switches to other webpages on the MP site.
A PDF file cannot be done for a complete tree Database, only for individual trees because you must have a starting point i.e. head of a family and cascade down. Besides, this would require a massive amount of effort and storage space.
I have long known I could save anything from your site but like many others I get bored doing save after save or trying to download heaps from one site and if not everyone is linked to me already you lose interest.
Many like me with the cash to spare will pay to purchase the whole shebang. Genealogy is my weak spot and I would rather pay for genealogy than a new dress or shoes because I get so much pleasure out of genealogy.
Answer: Yes I could solve a lot of issues by charging for the material but that goes against my firm belief it should be free. A great deal of the information and images have been generously donated to the project and to then turn around and charge for access would be wrong and something I personally am just not prepared to do! This also influences my choices of potential solutions as Ancestry.com would in fact enable me to upload the entire database including all the images BUT you would have to have an Ancestry subscription to access it. Ancestry is obscenely expensive, good but expensive and besides I don't want any commercial organisation to financially benefit from all the hard work and generosity of so many supporters of the project.
The other thing is sites/servers like Dropbox do have a limit on the size of single files you can upload. They allow you unlimited storage for price but that does not mean they can handle extra large uploads/downloads any better.
Answer: You are quite right and the very reason that I have discounted Dropbox because the size of the download file and images would well and truly exceed the free space allocated.
So to create download you would probably have to create a zip file to compress size to acceptable level.
But I am not IT tech so am no expert just know what I have read while exploring options to share files with students/clients and files from family trees online etc.
If you contact Ian Marr at http://www.ianmarr.net.au he can tell you company he used to purchase his CDs and USB devices.
Ian’s site is for South West Victoria Cemeteries and like Monaro site people can view and download heaps for free but he then opted to allow us to purchase entire collection on CD/USB and continues to do so today.
He used to use Compubits (http://compubits.net.au/shop/products-page/usb-devices-2/ when I contacted him shortly after buying his collection to ask where he got USB and casing as I was investigating viability of our society selling our databases/photographic collections on USB. He may use someone different now, I don’t know.
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If you want I can test run your stuff on my Mac. I will of course pay you for the collection. I have iLeopard (mac only) Rootsmagic for Mac and Family tree maker for Mac. I also have windows laptop running Windows 10 which I have Rootsmagic on and Family Tree Maker 2014 updated I can try.
Answer: I am happy to work with you as a "Guinea Pig" to prove the concept including both Legacy and gedcom files.
When I came to Mac world I did a lot of exploring and learned some Windows programs will run on Wine but that is often for specific bottle/model. Legacy alas is said to work with one but it also entails having to do adding other stuff too, you basically needed to be a techy to do it all and even then Legacy acknowledged it still didn’t work fully always. They are honest in saying they designed it for Windows specifically and I sense they have sufficient patronage not to need it to run on a Mac unless in Windows running in virtual mode on the Mac.
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In regard to maintaining site well what about Local councils within Monaro region that may have grants to allow you upgrade the site. There are heritage grants all about too and I think due to the unique collection you have accrued you may have a chance of getting funding. Also see if any university might like to take it on for they may have access to funding and grants that are simply not available to you.
Answer: The site was originally hosted by the Cooma Council but sadly it had to be moved to the present commercial service provider (at a cost) because the Cooma Council system became unreliable for the MP project needs.
All I really want is for some non-profit organisation to volunteer to host the MP stuff on their own site - quite simple to do if I can find someone with enough vision and commitment to allow it to happen.
Reason National Archive may have shown no interest is that in fact they may already have archived your site which copyright laws permit because they are not doing it as a commercial enterprise but just an archive project to preserve historical data/images.
Answer: The National Library are interested in static material like the archive of the site but that will not address the availability of the database and its dynamic and changeable functionality. One of the most significant benefits of the MP database is the ability to "wander" up and down family trees, from individual to individual, jumping across to connected families and following those branches, everything is interlinked. The archive process cannot read the database and thus the linkages on the various pioneers index pages just won't work.
A good partial solution but not good enough for MP users.
Google you might ask too to see if they have already archived it so it is there for future historians/researchers to find for free.
Answer: Yes, the NLA already has added the MP site to Pandora.
If they haven’t already you might like to ask if they would or if they could help you out in updating the site so it is future proofed and can survive beyond you. As Google does have Genealogy search engine I should imagine you might get some handy advise if nothing else.
Not sure any of my suggestions are what you wanted to hear or would want to do but I figured no harm in putting the suggestions forward.
Have a nice day or what is left of it.
I am off to have a drink then go to my local library for evening session teaching folk how to use Ancestry and the sites. Your site will be one I show them if they mutter anything about NSW or Victoria.
Thanks for your years of dedication thus far. I wish I had the tech savvy to help you more but alas not so.
Suzanne Newton
Mackay Qld
Hi Suzanne,
Thank you for the kind words and suggestions, I will attempt to answer some by adding my comments after your own.
Regards, Ian
CONNOLLY/DOWNING/STORES
From:
kotuku media
Sent: 2016-04-07 9:51 AM
Subject: newsletter
Ross Miller, Donna Gibbs and Gail Cowie have recently found common blood through a mixture of Connolly, Downing and Stores ancestors.
One lady eludes us: the Australian wife/partner of former convict Daniel Connolly (transported on Clyde). She is variously described on documents as Mary Ann Healy and Mary Ann Tracey (in variant spellings). We'd love to hear from anyone who thinks they have foolproof evidence on which is which - or any interest in the subject, at all.
Regards, Ross
