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Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
2016 Number 4
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
IMPORTANT
Hi Folks,
I am delighted to announce that Michael Povey has volunteered to undertake the maintenance and management of the Monaro Pioneers website. Michael has been a very generous supporter of the MP project and has contributed many photos to our collection. I know the MP site will now live on and only get better under his stewardship.
I will continue to maintain the database and support Michael in any way I can.
I would also like to take the opportunity to thank David Knox for all his efforts in providing the editorial resources to produce the Newsletter.
Regards,
Ian Harvey
Hi Folks,
It is a great pleasure of mine to be able to assist in keeping this wonderful project alive.
The MP site has been a great tool in assisting me with my own research over the years and it has even given me the opportunity to contact and meet 2nd and 3rd cousins.
As Ian will be continuing to spend his time on the data base, I will be doing the MP site itself and I can't wait to see what material our supporters will supply.
I thank you all in advance for your material and support.
Regards,
Michael Povey
MONARO PIONEERS now on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/groups/893648944008345/
REQUESTS:
VENABLES
From:
Cheryl Venables
Sent: Wednesday, 1 June 2011 12:08 AM
Subject: Venables Family reunion worldwide - in France 13-17th July
2016
Dear Ian
Hello you may like to post that there is a worldwide Venables reunion in the town of Venables France as you have
187 Venables on your site I noticed
http://www.ccgvenables.org/v1/accueil.php
Dear Venables
friends,
As you probably, the name of Venables is worn by hundreds of persons
counted on the five continents of the planet. Since 1986 every five
years the village of Venables (FR) and its inhabitants (calles
Venablois) share with Venables families’ unforgettable moments during
these meetings.
We are happy to announce that the Seventh World Convention of Venables
families will take place from July 13th till July 17th 2016. It is with
a big pleasure that we shall welcome you during this long weekend on the
lands of your ancestor to write together (again) a new page of story.
In Venables, a steering committee has just been created to organize and
prepare this event. Various activities and events will be organized in
your honour. The program will soon be put on-line on the web site of the
convention. So, you can see the program being set up, register yourself
and find useful information to prepare your stay in Venables. We can
send the registration form to the families that wish to receive it by
postal mail.
If you plan to come to the next convention please let us know : please
send a simple email message with the names of the persons that might
join the next convention to
convention2016@ccgvenables.org
The final subscription document (PDF) will be send to you afterwards.
In 2016, Normandy celebrates the 950th anniversary the Battle of
Hastings. The program of the 7th convention joins these events,
organized throughout 2016 on the Norman ground.
We hope that you will be with us to participate in these festivities and
I send you my sincere and cordial greetings.
Patrick LEQUETTE
Administrator of the Cultural Center « Gilbert de Venables »
regards, Cheryl Venables
Sydney, 0408415965
CURRENT CORRESPONDENCE:
BUTLER
On 03/06/2016 17:09, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Butler, Ellen (I187689)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I187689&tree=MP
Description: A more informative obit:
Bungendore. (From Our Correspondent). Obituary. The death of Mrs. Ellen Doyle, an old and highly respected resident of " Ashby," Bungendore, occurred at her daughter's residence, Summer Hill. Sydney, on the 17th August at the age of 79 years. She came from Ireland with her parents on the ship " Sir William Sharpless," on the 9th January, 1842. There were six daughters and two sons, all of whom are dead with the exception of one sister. Mrs. Doyle had been in failing health for some time prior to going to the city where she went to undergo medical treatment. A paralytic seizure accelerated the trouble, notwithstanding all the loving care and attention from a most affectionate family ; and after receiving the last rites and comforts of the Catholic Church, she passed peacefully away amidst her surviving family. The remains were taken by train to St. Mary's Church, Bungendore, where Holy Mass was celebrated at eight o'clock for the eternal repose of her soul. The Rev. Father O'Donoghoe, of Michelago, held a service prior to the procession and loving hands bore the remains, which were enclosed in a beautiful massively silver-mounted coffin, hidden by magnificent wreaths. The Dead March was played whilst the body was being conveyed from the church. The procession then proceeded to the local cemetery where many members of deceased's family are resting. The cortege was a very lengthy one, friends coming from a long distance to pay their last tribute of respect to one so loved and esteemed as a noble mother and a citizen.
Mr. Pat. Doyle, J.P., predeceased her some 23 years ago. He purchased the Ashby Estate thirty five years ago which was then the homestead of his kinsman, John Dwyer, son of the famous Wicklow Chieftain. Mrs. Doyle had seen many changes in the Bungendore district, having driven over the bed of Lake George, also on one occasion meeting the Clarke bushrangers and witnessed them at Eagle Hawk Gully cutting open the mail bags after robbing the mail from Goulburn to Queanbeyan. The deceased was an industrious woman, very thrifty and successful, has seen years of drought and years of plenty. She was the mother of nine children, all grown up, six sons and three daughters and 36 grand children; Patrick, John and Ralph living at Mount Fairy, Harry and Horatio in Western Australia (could not reach home in time to see the last of their beloved mother), and Benedict, the youngest who resided with his mother. Mrs. Heavey of Katoomba, and Mrs. Dempsey and Mrs.
McAlister of Summer Hill are her daughters.
Queanbeyan Age and Queanbeyan Observer (NSW : 1915 - 1927) Tue 16 Sep 1919, Page 2
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
DOYLE
On 03/06/2016 17:05, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Doyle, Ralph Regan (I169689)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I169689&tree=MP
Description: Scarcely had the sad news of Mrs. Doyle's death subsided--only seven days between--when the death of her fourth son, Ralph, from pneumonic influenza was announced. He had been twice to Sydney to see his mother and on the last visit contracted the deadly disease. He became very ill at his mother's funeral. Dr. Blackall, of Queanbeyan, and Dr. Cope, of Goulburn, were quickly in attendance, also Father James his spiritual advisor; but there was no hope, he was cut off in the prime of life. He was 45 years of age and leaves a widow and ten children; (the oldest daughter Sister Anastasia of the Sacred Heart in Queensland) are left to mourn the loss of a loving husband and father. He was a magistrate, and held in the highest esteem by a very large circle of friends. The remains were interred in the R.C. Cemetery, the Rev, Father Power conducted the funeral service. May he arise to a better hereafter, is the earnest wish of those he left behind.
Queanbeyan Age and Queanbeyan Observer (NSW : 1915 - 1927) Tue 16 Sep 1919, Page 2
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
DOYLE
On 03/06/2016 10:28, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Doyle, Patrick (I187688)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I187688&tree=MP
Description: DEATH OF AN OLD BUNGENDORE RESIDENT.
On Friday last, January 3rd (writes our correspondent), death robbed the district of one of its oldest pioneers and most zealous Catholics in the person of Mr. Patrick Doyle, J.P., of Ashby. Mr. Doyle settled in Bungendore nearly forty years ago, and was highly respected by all classes of the community as an honest and upright man and a painstaking and impartial magistrate. St. Mary's Church, Bungendore, has lost one of its most liberal benefactors, and many of the poor inhabitants of the town a true friend. Mr. Doyle about ten years ago purchased the Ashby estate, formerly the residence of his kinsman, the late John Dwyer (son of the famous Wicklow chieftain), and died a happy and painless death surrounded by his numerous family, and receiving the last Sacrament from the parish priest, the Rev. J. Grace, a few minutes before he drew his last breath. Mr. Doyle leaves a widow and ten children (six sons and four daughters) to mourn their loss. Mrs. John McMahon, of Bungendore, Mrs. Sheehan and Mrs. Seery, of Hoskinstown, Mrs. McKeon, of Braidwood, and Mrs. Barrett, of Peak Hill, are sisters of the deceased. The funeral, which took place on Sunday afternoon, formed the largest cortege seen in the district for many years. Father Grace officiated at the grave, assisted by Father O'Shaughnessy, of Gunning, who came to town especially to pay the last tribute of respect to his friend.
Freeman's Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1850 - 1932) Sat 11 Jan 1896, Page 16
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
SHEEHAN
On 02/06/2016 22:25, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Sheehan, Mary (I172324)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I172324&tree=MP
Description: Difficulty in find the other husband
MRS. MARY EDMONDS The death occurred at St. John of God Hospital yesterday of Mrs. Mary Edmonds, aged 85, a well-known resident of Bungendore. Born at Molonglo, Mrs. Edmonds was eldest daughter of the late Mr. and Mrs. Maurice Sheehan. She had spent many years of her life at Bungendore and was twice married. She is survived by one sister, Mrs. Donoghoe (Bungendore), a step-sister, Mrs Lambkins (Hoskinstown) and a step-brother, Mr. Maurice Sheehan. The funeral will leave for the Roman Catholic cemetery at Kenmore this afternoon at 4 o'clock.
Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW : 1881 - 1940) Mon 8 Aug 1938, Page 4
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
DOYLE
On 02/06/2016 21:52, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Doyle, Eliza (I167461)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I167461&tree=MP
Description: THE LATE MRS M SHEEHAN, BUNGENDORE The death occurred at Hoskins Town, near Bungendore, on the 18th uit., of Mrs. M. Sheehan. Although not unexpected, her death came as a great shock to her children, who had been most untiring in their care and attention to her during her protracted illness. She passed away fortified by the rites of her Church. Her life was that of a faithful and good wife, mother, and friend. The large concourse of mourners who followed her remains to their last resting-place at Bungendore went to prove the great respect and esteem in which she was universally held throughout the district, where she had lived for considerably over 50 years. Mrs. Sheehan was a daughter of the late Michael Doyle, and was born in the County Wicklow, Ireland, and came to this country very young. She was a near relative to Michael Dwyer, the Wicklow chieftain whose remains, together with those of his wife, lie at rest in the Waverley cemetery under the beautiful monument erected to the men of '98. She married Maurice Sheehan, who predeceased her many years ago, and to whom she bore seven children, four sons and three daughters, of whom two sons and two daughters are still living, as also a son and two daughters by a former marriage, to whom their step-mother was devoutly attached, she having reared them from in fancy.
Notwithstanding her advanced age of 83 years, up till a few years ago, when she had the misfortune to break her leg, Mrs. Sheehan was a smart, active, and intelligent woman, possessing many excellent traits of character. She also leaves three sisters to mourn her loss Mrs. John Seery (Hoskins Town), Mrs. B. McKeon ('Mollema,' Braidwood), and Mrs.
John Barrett (Peak Hill). The Rev. Father Kenny officiated at the graveside, and delivered a most touching address.-R.I.P.
Freeman's Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1850 - 1932), Thu 21 Nov 1912, Page 19
Warwick
Thanks Warwick,
This one is a gold mine of hidden gems.
Regards, Ian
SHEEHAN
On 02/06/2016 21:51, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Sheehan, Maurice (I167460)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I167460&tree=MP
Description: THE LATE MAURICE SHEEHAN, OF HOSKINSTOWN.
It is my painful duty (writes our correspondent) to record the death of Mr. Maurice Sheehan at his late residence, Hoskinstown, on. 5th instant, at the ripe old age of 77 years. He was a native of County Cork, Ireland, and came to the colony over 56 years ago, and for 52 years has been a resident of the Queanbeyan district. He was by trade a blacksmith, which business he carried on successfully for many years at the Molonglo River Crossing, near Carwoola. About 34 years ago he gave up business and took to agricultural and pastoral pursuits, in which he was again successful. A few years ago he retired from the active management of his estate, and handed it over to his sons, who have ably carried it on up to the present. Although a man of independent means, he was unostentatious to a degree. He was of a retiring and homely nature, fond of his home and family, never content to be away from either any length of time, a good friend and neighbour, a devoted husband and father. It may be truly said of Maurice Sheehan that he bore the brand of God's noble work. An honest, upright man, respected by all with whom he came in contact either in social or business life, he has been called to his rest surrounded by all that would make his last hours peaceful and happy. His loving wife and dutiful family were in constant attendance upon him to the last; everything that loving care could suggest was done. He was devoted to his Church, his liberality to its support being proverbial. The handsome structure, SS. Peter and Paul's Church, at Hoskinstown, stands upon the land generously donated by him for that purpose.
During his illness he was visited by all classes of the community, and was assiduously attended by the Rev Father Grace, by whom the last rites of his Church were administered His remains were interred in the Bungendore Cemetery on Thursday, the, funeral being one of the largest ever seen there. In the unavoidable absence of Rev. Father Grace, the Rev. Fr. Birch read the prayers at the grave. He is survived by his widow, four daughters, and three sons all grown up.
Freeman's Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1850 - 1932) Sat 30 Sep 1899, Page 7
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
SHEEHAN
On 02/06/2016 21:49, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Sheehan, Timothy (I172317)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I172317&tree=MP
Description: BIRTH.
SHEEHAN At her residence, Hoskingtown, on the 12th December, Mrs Maurice Sheehan of a son.
Queanbeyan Age (NSW : 1867 - 1904) Wed 16 Dec 1874, Page 2
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
SHEEHAN
On 02/06/2016 21:17, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Sheehan, Thomas (I172342)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I172342&tree=MP
Description: Doubts about last child, see below
HOSKINS TOWN.
(from a correspondent.)
It is with deepest regret that I have to record the sudden death in Sydney on Thursday afternoon of Mr. Thomas Sheehan, eldest son of Mr. Maurice Sheehan, of Hoskins Town. Mr. Sheehan had been a member of the police force for some years, . and was in charge of the Manildra station. At the time of his death he was with his wife and child on his way to Hoskins Town to spend his Easter holidays with his parents. On his arrival at Sydney on Wednesday, 10th inst., he was suddenly seized with acute cramps in the stomach, and was at once taken in a cab to Shalvey's Hotel, where medical aid was called in. Drs. Brownless and MacCarthy prescribed for him, but pronounced his case hope less from the first. His friends were hastily summoned, but death ensued before they could reach him. The greatest sympathy is expressed for Mrs. Sheehan, who is a native of the district, and the eldest daughter of Mr. and Mrs. John Seery, of Hoskins Town, also for the bereaved parents and friends. His remains were interred in the R. C. cemetery at Rookwood. It is a consolation to his friends to know he received the last rites of the Church before his death
Freeman's Journal (Sydney, NSW : 1850 - 1932) Sat 27 Apr 1895, Page 18
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BLYTON
From:
Vicki Ryan
Sent: 31 May, 2016 10:39 AM
Subject: Question
Hello Ian
I am hoping you may be able to help me out.
I am trying to
find the death record of William Blyton born 1804 died 1877. He is buried in
the Myalla Cemetery behind the Christ Church. I have all the dates and records
but I cannot find where his death has been registered.
I would like to find this so I can obtain a copy of his death certificate. I
have read someones blog that says he was accidental killed and was hoping the
that the certificate would explain this. I have looked on Trove to find a death
notice but have come up blank. I was hoping the church/parish records may
help.
Regards, Vicki
Ryan
Hi Vicki,
All the information we have is available on our website, I too have been unable to find a death registration.
Regards, Ian
Hi Ian
Thank you so much for your reply. I have been successful in the past in finding information from the Church records and was hoping you may know where the Church records would be for this church.
Regards, Vicki Ryan
NICHOLS
From:
Andy & Joan Jerzyna
Sent: 29 May, 2016 3:53 PM
Subject: re: John NICHOLS 1881-1922
Hi Ian
Re: John NICHOLS – Your Ref. MP99646
John NICHOLS was born in Cooma in 1881 and his early life seems to have been quite chaotic. At one stage he had a number of aliases, one of which was John NICHOLSON. A fluke search on “Trove” revealed a 4- line news item from the Manaro Mercury, and Cooma and Bombala Advertiser, dated Monday 3 July 1922, Page 2, as under –
“Mr. John Nichols received a telegram on Saturday to the effect that his son John died at the Lismore District Hospital on the” previous day”.
Attached is a copy of the Death Registration Transcription 14430/1922 Lismore. John jnr. died on 30th June 1922 and was buried in the Roman Catholic Cemetery at Lismore the following day.
To date I have not been able to find a copy of any marriage to “Lena Perrabould”. She is subsequently referred to as “Lena Ellen” and “Rena”.
_______________________________________
It appears that at the time of his death John had an 11year-old son, Frederick Charles NICHOLS. I also attach a copy of his Birth Registration Transcription 44466/1910 Walcha, and a copy of his Death Registration Transcription 32097/1961 Auburn. Frederick Charles NICHOLS enlisted in the Army during World War II. I intend to ask National Archives to open his files.
_______________________________________
Best regards, Joan Jerzyna
Thank you Joan,
I would suggest that John Nichols married Ellen/Lena/Rena Perabo but I cannot find a birth registration for her. There were two Perabo families that are possibilities in the 1870- 1890 time frame in Bombala.
Regards, Ian
ROBINSON
From:
Andy & Joan Jerzyna
Sent: 29 May, 2016 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Margaret Jane ROBINSON 1861-1935
Hi Ian
Re: Margaret Jane ROBINSON – Your Ref. MP85540
The current detail re the death of Margaret Jane NICHOLS (nee ROBINSON) are incorrect.
Margaret Jane NICHOLS (nee ROBINSON) married William Henry BLAKE in 1935 in Liverpool NSW (5039/1935 Liverpool). She died on 23rd September 1944 in Newington State Hospital, Lidcombe (14924/1944 – Auburn). Margaret was buried on 25th September 1944 in the Catholic Cemetery, Rookwood – Section Graves, Mortuary 2, Area 16, Plat 3544. There was no issue from this marriage.
Copy of her NSW Death Registration Transcription is attached.
Than you, Joan Jerzyna
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
BROOKS
From:
Ian Burke
Sent: 29 May, 2016 12:22 PM
Subject: Book review
Ian,
Attached is a book review I wrote, it was published in the Monaro Post last Weds. If interested, please feel free to put up on your website. I wrote this especially for Monaro readers giving what I thought were some points that related directly to Monaro – a number of people had asked me what I thought of the book. To other readers the book might be just as, if not more interesting for matters like early Sydney commerce and society but for us, I thought the most interesting thing was the way those early colonists drove relentlessly down south and ended up on Monaro. The book follows largely the “traditional” view of what happened (for instance disregarding the Campbells) but I didn’t dispute any of that in the review because it wasn’t actually the main focus of the book.
Ian
THE OLD SALT WHO OPENED UP THE MONARO
Book Review by Ian Burke
Published in the Monaro Post (Cooma), Wednesday 25 May 2016
Christine Maher: Richard Brooks – From Convict Ship Captain to Pillar of Early Colonial Australia, Rosenberg Publishing Company, Dural NSW, 2016; RRP $29.99
The name Brooks needs no introduction to Monaro readers. Captain Richard Brooks was the first white settler south of Lake George at “Bungendow” (Bungendore) in 1821. By 1827 he had established the first recorded permanent European settlement on Monaro at Gegedzerick station, near Berridale, which stretched from west of the present airport to Jindabyne and the Snowy Mountains. He was soon followed onto the Monaro by many other squatters.
Christine Maher has produced a detailed record of the life of the indomitable captain. Her factual account is based on wide research, demolishing some long-held family traditions while confirming others. The engrossing story is engagingly and clearly told, and makes particularly lively reading.
Richard Brooks was born in Devon, England, in 1765 to a seafaring family which had engaged in the north Atlantic Newfoundland fishing industry for generations. He went to sea at the age of 10 and became an outstanding seaman. In 1796 he married Christiana Eliza Passmore, from a family of London merchant seamen with interests in the Mediterranean. While in India, Brooks seems to have learned of the lucrative trade to the infant colony of New South Wales transporting both convicts and merchandise, particularly rum and spirits which had become the currency of the colony.
Between 1801 and 1811, Brooks made five voyages to NSW. The author tells the stories of these voyages in riveting detail. The voyage of the Atlas in 1801 was particularly notorious because of the high death rate of the convicts (72 out of 207 died). However, Brooks escaped serious consequences. Early in 1813 when he was returning to England on the Isabella, the ship was wrecked near the Falkland Islands. Brooks navigated a longboat 1,500 miles to Buenos Aires to get help to the survivors, an incredible feat of seamanship.
With each voyage Brooks increased his property and financial interests in the colony. In 1810 he acquired the estate of Denham Court (between Liverpool and Campbelltown), where he was later to build one of the finest colonial houses still remaining in Australia. Seeing the demand for meat both in the colony itself and for victualing ships, he amassed a large herd of cattle with stock brought from India. Later in 1813 he brought his family from England to settle permanently in NSW as land grants would not usually be made to passing ships’ captains. Christiana Brooks was an intelligent, cultured woman reluctant to leave her life in London, but she soon settled in Sydney. Her sharply observed writing on the politics, society and economy of the infant colony now form a priceless historical record.
Richard and Christiana Brooks were very active in the life of the colony, with influential connections including W C Wentworth and the Macquaries. But Brooks’ prime interest was in obtaining land for his stock, which from the early 1820s included sheep as well as cattle, and realising an old sailor’s dream of becoming a landed proprietor. Attempts by the governors to control the expansion of the colony failed. When the Illawarra was opened up in 1816, Brooks was in the vanguard of settlers in the district. After Lake George was reached in 1820, Brooks was quick to send his men onto the land to its south. When Currie and Ovens reached the Monaro plains in 1823 from Brooks’ station at Lake George, he was soon expanding further south beyond the legal limits of settlement. By this time, his estates, flocks and herds were among the largest in the colony.
This book provides answers to some of the questions that have long been raised about Monaro history. One of these was how Brooks came to send his 15 year old youngest son, also named Richard, to take charge of Gegedzerick station. Young Richard had been sent to the Lake George station when just 13. The author explains that the official working age then was 12 and the captain himself had gone to sea at 10. She says that “It was common for ‘young masters’ in their teens to be put in charge of a station and managing a large convict workforce with the backup of trusted overseers and family retainers, especially in the outlying districts. The presence of the master’s son implied authority and acted as a deterrent to the convicts, who often considered themselves beyond the reach of the law and control.”
But the human cost was high. Settlement could not be achieved without the virtual slave labour of assigned convicts. Their lot was brutal under terrible conditions, and Brooks the old naval martinet was a hard master. Although he had some sympathy for the emancipist cause (convicts who had served their time and were ready to take a place in society), convicts still under sentence were treated harshly. He had at least 12 executed, and floggings were commonplace. In 1829, two convict shepherds took horses from the Lake George station and proceeded down to the Monaro in an attempt to find a way to the sea. They were apprehended near Gegedzerick and both were hanged.
The Aborigines also fared badly. In 1816 (exactly 200 years ago) outright massacre occurred at Appin as the colonists pushed south into the Illawarra. But Brooks is said to have adopted a conciliatory attitude towards them, holding feasts and giving breastplates to their ‘kings’ or ‘chiefs’. Christiana Brooks expressed sympathy when they were understandably provoked by “the outrages committed on them by the stockkeepers, an ignorant and brutal race…” But she supported the incursion of soldiers to “ensure safety to our flocks and herds” and does not appear to have believed that the Aborigines had any real right to the land they had occupied for unimaginable thousands of years, or that anything should stand in the way of possession and use of the land by Europeans.
The author says that “The Monaro never suffered from the wholesale violence [against the Aborigines] prevalent at other parts of the frontier”. Even if that is true, the fact remains that within little more than a decade after it was first sighted by Europeans, their land was in the possession of the newcomers and the indigenous people were completely dispossessed of what had been their homelands from time immemorial.
The book is somewhat marred by a lack of perspective, in that by focusing on Captain Brooks there is no real comparison with his contemporaries. In many of their attitudes, the Brookses were typical of the people of the time while in some ways they were among the more liberal and advanced. But in the early colonists’ obsession with the accumulation of property and wealth we might see traits that are still prevalent in some segments of Australian society today. On the other hand, Monaro readers may recognise the early origins of skills in bushcraft, land and stock management, and endurance that thankfully for our country are also still evident today.
From:
Andy & Joan Jerzyna
Sent: 28 May, 2016 5:07 PM
Subject: Re Monaro Pioneers
Hi Ian
I don’t think anyone realises just what a massive job you have done with Monaro Pioneers. Just over 388,000 individuals is hard to imagine but with all spread throughout the country and the generations increasing the numbers will never lessen. I can remember when I first submitted my history, just before you came in, that I was warned off using information that then appeared – I was told so much was erroneous. Such was the case with the very little on my family – 2-3 generations mixed into 1.
Ian, are you still taking alterations? I have one which I have backed up with a Transcription.
As to your remark in the last Newsletter, YES I would really appreciate my own copy of the MP database. Could you please let me have the link so that I amy access and down load the files?
Best regards, Joan Jerzyna
Thank you Joan,
Yes I am still more than happy to receive new information and alterations at any time, no plans to stop that anytime soon.
I believe early on a lot of the information may well have been inaccurate or incomplete but the unique advantage and benefit of the MP project was the participation of many contributors and our willingness to correct the errors and add new information. Thus, over time the users of the MP site have provided the additions and corrections to enable the database to expand to what it is today. It would have been a lot smaller and simpler had those pioneers and their descendants stayed put and not moved vast distances or married outside the area. But then again, that is what has made the project so interesting.
Regards, Ian
BARRY
On 28/05/2016 04:10, Maria Barry wrote:
Comments: We are researching William Barry who married Margaret Burke after they received tickets of leave. We wondered if anyone has a copy of their marriage certificate ? They were married 1829 -32 ? in Australia. We are trying to find out names of their parents. They were both born in Cork. Any help appreciated.
Maria Barry
Hi Maria,
We don't have a copy of their wedding certificate unfortunately.
Regards, Ian
GEOGHEGAN
On 26/05/2016 20:46, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Geoghegan, Egbert John Joseph (I94997)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I94997&tree=MP
Description: Birth 1876 Melbourne #10777 Vic BDM
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
HURST
On 26/05/2016 14:07, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Hurst, Milton C. (I139425)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I139425&tree=MP
Description: HURST-The friends of Mr and Mr JOSEPH WEATHERBY of 133 Abercrombie street Redfern, is kindly invited to attend the funeral of their dearly beloved FRIEND, the late Milton Hurst; to leave 165 Vine Street, Annandale THIS AFTERNOON at 1:15pm for Methodist Cemetery, Rookwood.
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954), Mon 19 Mar 1917, Page 5
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
From:
Hans
Sent: 26 May, 2016 6:43 AM
Subject: Jincumbilly enquiry
Good evening,
Just out of interest, have you got any historical facts about Jincumbilly at all. There seems to be nothing on the net.
Cheers, Hans Sander
Hi Hans,
All the information we have is available on our website.
Regards, Ian
HARVEY/DAVISON
From: Rosemarie Wells
Sent: 25 May, 2016 2:37 PM
Subject: Who was ELLA LILLIAN HARVEY......DAVISON
Greetings Ian....
I am interested in a listing on this wonderful site.
The death of John Harvey lists his 2 children including an adopted daughter....Mrs Davison, Manly.. After a bit more research I found an Ella Lillian nee Harvey married Mervyn DAVISON in Manly 1929...Ian can you please offer anymore info. on Ella Lillian....I cant find my more info. on this couple.
Noted another couple Mervyn Theo Davison died 1974 and is buried with his wife Isobel who died 1985...both born early 1900s.
Can't find a Marriage for this couple. !! Is this the same couple as above.
???
My interest is I am looking for a LILLIAN SENNETT b. 1907 Bathurst but lived and worked in Manly in 1930s...Lillian was also known as Ella....when I saw the name ELLA LILLIAN in MANLY Naturally I took notice. All very frustrating Ian.
Any suggestions re ELLA LILLIAN in Manly would be appreciated.
Many thanks, Rosa=
Hi Rosa,
The only information we have is what is already available on our website.
Regards, Ian
GEOGHEGAN
On 25/05/2016 12:03, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Geoghegan, Gertrude Mary Margaret L. (I139424)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I139424&tree=MP
Description: HURST-The Relatives and Friends of Mr and Mrs V HURST, Mr and Mrs R HURST, Mr and Mrs C HOBBS and FAMILIES, Mr and Mrs D HURST and Mr MILTON HURST also Mr R GEOGHEGAN of Goulburn and Mr. B GEOGHEGAN of Cooma are Informed that the funeral of their late beloved MOTHER, GRAND MOTHER and SISTER Mrs Gertrude Mary Margaret Louise Hurst will leave her daughter's residence, 333 Catherine Street Leichhardt THIS (Tuesday). AFTERNOON at 2:30 o'clock for Church of England Cemetery Rookwood.
SMH page 9 Tues 22 March 1938
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WARD/GOODWIN/KAUFFLINE
From:
goodall
Sent: 23 May, 2016 10:19 PM
Subject: Ward/Goodwin/Kauffline
Hi Ian
I am the grand daughter of Eric Alwyn Goodwin - son of Charles Albert Goodwin and Elizabeth Kauffline. Have only just discovered this site. I wish to advise you that a correction that needs to be made to your records.
Eric married Catherine Ellen Martin b. Orange NSW only child of Mary Ann (nee Hartigan) and Edward Lawrence Martin Catherine died January 1987, Toukley NSW, cremated Palmdale NSW - Eric and Catherine's ashes are interred at Palmdale
Eric and Catherine had two daughters Marie Elizabeth b. Cooma
Shirley Ann b. Cooma - my mother
Shirley married Walter William Stephen Booth 11/06/1955
Children - Kerry
Shaen
Brion Charles
Hope this info is helpful
Cheers, Kerry
Hi Kerry,
Thank you for the information.
Regards, Ian
McNAMARA
From: knoonan
Sent: 23 May, 2016 9:07 PM
Subject: April 2016 Newsletter - Re Walker
Hi Ian, Could you forward me a contact detail for M & G Coates Re Walker. I would like to contact them regarding Ann McNamara.
I would like to have a copy of the database for my own personal use as I would not need to be online to do research especially if traveling.
I would like to congratulate and thank you for the work you have done on the database it no easy task of keeping it up to date which requires a certain level of skill and expertise to maintain.
Also I commend you for your efforts to make the database freely available as you outline in the correspondence in this newsletter - Continuance or Archiving for Survival. I think being able to download it from a link would be the easiest way.
Regards, Kevin Noonan
Hi Kevin,
Thank you for the kind words, here is the email address you requested... 'M & G Coates' xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Regards, Ian
MEREDITH
From: Geoff Court
Sent: 23 May, 2016 5:47 PM
Subject: Meredith Family Query
Hello Ian.
My wife, Lorraine, and I are researching Lorraine's family history. One of her great grandmothers was Annie Holmes, the daughter of Charles Holmes and Mary Meredith. Mary Meredith was the daughter of William Meredith and Sarah McDermott. We discovered that William was a convict who arrived in Sydney in 1833 aboard the Camden and Sarah arrived as an immigrant in 1844 aboard the Herald. All this was quite easy to find.
And then I discovered the monaropioneers web site - what a little gem!!!
William Meredith is one of your pioneers. Please pass on our gratitude to all who are involved with creating and maintaining this site.
The web site has been so useful for easily filling in the gaps we had in the Meredith family tree. We have found some inaccuracies in your database and have found quite a bit of additional information. We are putting together a document that tells the story and the descendants of James Meredith and Mary Stephens - the parents of William Meredith the convict - and would be quite happy to send you a copy when it is complete.
I have William's convict details and Sarah's obituary, but that is really all we know about their lives. So what I was really wondering was if you might have any anecdotal information or any other documents about the lives of William Meredith and Sarah McDermott that we could include in our story please?
Best wishes and thanks again, Geoff Court.
Hi Geoff,
All of the information and documents we have are available on our website. I shall look forward to receiving your additional information when it is available.
Regards, Ian
From: Stephen Doggett
Sent: 23 May, 2016 4:33 PM
Subject: Bugtown Road, Adaminaby
Dear Ian & the Monaro Pioneers group, I am wondering if you may have a local historical society in the area of Adaminaby.
The reason for asking is that I am the Director of Medical Entomology at Westmead Hospital and am writing a new academic text on bed bugs, as part of the global resurgence of this group of insects. This will be the first academic text for 50 years.
One chapter I am writing is entitled "Bed Bugs and Popular Culture" and currently I am gathering facts on places that were named after bed bugs (yes there are several in the world).
I was told by a former local of the area that Bugtown Road in Adaminaby was named after an old guest house that was infested well known to be infested badly with bed bugs, which was subsequently burnt down.
I am wondering if there may be some credibility to this, including some evidence that can be cited in by chapter.
Yours sincerely, Stephen Doggett
Hi Stephen,
We have no information that might help you unfortunately. There is a History Society in Cooma who meet in the local Library that may be able to assist. I suggest you put your request on our facebook page.
Regards, Ian
Thank you Ian. I have to admit that I have no idea how to put a request on facebook - never used it.
Kind regards, Stephen
MALONEY
On 22/05/2016 15:54, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Maloney, Bridget Cecilia (I112953)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I112953&tree=MP
Description: DEATHS
BLEWITT, Bridget Cecilia. - On August 15, 1949, beloved mother of Vivienne (Mrs. Wallace, Canberra), Aubrey (Canberra), Eric (Sydney), Stan (Queanbeyan), Cecilia, (Mrs. Blewitt, Queanbeyan), Mavis (Mrs. Goodall, Tharwa) and Gladys (Mrs. Bourke, Royalla).
FUNERALS
BLEWITT - The relatives and friends of the late Mrs, Bridget Cecilia Blewitt, aged 86, of Royalla, are invited to attend her funeral, to leave St. Gregory's Church, Queanbeyan, on Wednesday, August 17, 1949, at 3 p.m., for the Catholic Cemetery, Queanbeyan. Motor Funerals (Canberra) Ltd.
The Canberra Times (ACT : 1926 - 1995), Tue 16 Aug 1949, Page 2
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BLEWITT
On 22/05/2016 15:52, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Blewitt, Joseph (I112952)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I112952&tree=MP
Description: OBITUARY
Late Mr. Joseph Blewitt
Mr. Joseph Blewitt, an old resident of the Territory, died on Saturday last at the age of 76 years. The deceased, who was interested in grazing, had been a resident of "Royalla" all his life and leaves a widow, three sons and four daughters to mourn their loss. His remains were interred in the Church of England portion of the Queanbeyan Cemetery on Sunday, the Rev. Canon Robinson officiating at the graveside. The Canberra Times (ACT : 1926 - 1995), Thu 16 Oct 1930, Page 2
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
COLLINS
On 20/05/2016 12:46, Eleanor Cobain wrote:
Proposed Change: Collins, George Henry (I57948)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I57948&tree=MP
Description: If his death certificate states that he is native born in Australia, then why is he listed as being born in Dublin, Ireland?
Yours sincerely, Eleanor Cobain
Hi Eleanor,
Good question, I have not seen a copy of death certificate so I am unable to make a definitive comment. I do know that quite often the information contained in death certificates can be incorrect being based on the knowledge or memory of the person(s) providing the death information.
Regards, Ian
Dear Ian,
I supplied a death certificate to your site some time ago and it is with the pictures at the front of the Collins Family site. I have been investigating George Collins for a few years now and none of the Irish immigrants fit into this timeline. I am still investigating a connection with the convict Hannah Greaves/Grieves/Graves (per Minstrel
1812) who is stated as a mother of a native born George Collins, born approximately 1815. I found this informtion originally in the 1823, 1825, 1928 census/muster book. I am finding information about her and her sons George and William but as yet I cannot make the connection with our George Collins. Although Tom Collins is listed as the father there is a lot of doubt about whether she was assigned to him before becoming pregnant.
Still looking for clues.
Yours sincerely, Eleanor Cobain
Hi Eleanor,
Quite correct, on further checking I did find the DC you provided, I will amend his birth details.
Regards, Ian
BRYANT
On 19/05/2016 12:15, Janine Bryant wrote:
Proposed Change: Bryant, Stanley Edward C. (I217157)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I217157&tree=MP
Description: Stanley Edward Cyril Bryant married Agnes Maud Marriott (d. 21.6.1984), Stan died 30.1.1974. They had 9 children:
Margaret b.1927 M. Robert Curtis
Mary b.1930 M. Peter Edward Morgan
Nat b. 1933 M. Beulah Elizabeth Cameron
Norma b.1935 - never married
Meg b.1936 M. Gary Raynor Reid
Kaye b.1937 - never married
Colin Cooper 1940 M. Francis Ann Cox
Edwin b. 1943 M. Marjorie Walker Yes died. May 1984?
Paul b. 1946 - never married - Yes died ?
Janine Bryant
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
BUCKMASTER
On 19/05/2016 09:29, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Buckmaster, Eileen I. (I301422)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I301422&tree=MP
Description: MISS EILEEN BUCKMASTER, daughter of the late Mr. Charles Buckmaster and Mrs. Buckmaster, Roseville. Yass, whose marriage to Mr. Henry James, of Narrandera, will take place at. St. Christopher's Church, Canberra, on Saturday. She will be attended by her sister, Mrs. Ron Merriman.
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954), Wed 20 Mar 1940, Page 24
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
McDOWALL
From:
Watson, LYN
Sent: 19 May, 2016 11:19 AM
Subject: McDowall Family - Braidwood [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
Hi Ian
I have been researching the McDowall family of Braidwood and have found the following details which you may want to use to amend the family record.
William McDowall was born in County Cavan in Ireland as was his wife Catherine, not Scotland. They sailed from Liverpool in May 1841 and arrived at Port Jackson on 7 September 1841 on the ‘United Kingdom’. He is recorded as a “farm labourer” and Catherine as a “farm servant”. They both appear to be aged 27. There were no children listed so I believe son John was born in NSW not Scotland.
I have also found that William had a sister, Dorothea b.7.7.1811 at Cavan, Ireland. She married Robert Phair in 1834 in Cavan and moved with her family to NZ in 1867. She died in Dunedin, Otago in 1892. Parents John and Mary Ann McDowall.
Regards, Lyn Watson
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
On 19/05/2016 00:52, lynette rickhuss wrote:
Hi Ian
I hope MP is not going to end. Have enjoyed reading your newsletter and accessing the site. MP was the first site I got info from. Started researching last year and have really enjoyed. Most of my grandies all seem to have spent time in Braidwood, Araluen, Tumut, Moruya, Goulburn etc.
I would love a copy of the MP database and have downloaded the Legacy program you recommended. Do I need to do anything else?
Thank you for allowing people like myself to access and research freely from all your hard work. Very much appreciated.
Cheers Lyn Rickhuss
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
MERRIMAN
On 18/05/2016 20:38, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Merriman, Sir Walter Thomas (I255798)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I255798&tree=MP
Description: Another daughter
23407/1911 MERRIMAN REE WALTER T KATE YASS
Death (second marriage)
BAYLY Ree Death notice 14MAY1991 Death 80 at Yass Sydney Morning
Herald 16MAY1991
Warwick
On 18/05/2016 21:34, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Merriman, Sir Walter Thomas (I255798)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I255798&tree=MP
Description: http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/120171414
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/18512383
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
McMAHON
From:
Mel Hulbert
Sent: 22 May, 2016 4:25 PM
Subject: RE: Possible correction to Pioneer Index?
Hi David,
I have been meaning to contact you for a while in regards to some corrections for one of the families listed in the Pioneer Index and was wondering what you required for this?
I will outline what I have and references below.
The family in question is that of John Martin McMahon who married Margaret Maud Mulhearn in 1909, specifically John’s parent’s. John and Margaret are my great grandparent’s on my maternal side and my research has turned up different parents to those currently listed for John. (Currently listed as Michael and Kate McMahon).
John and Margaret’s marriage certificate (#1909/001149) lists John’s parents as Terence McMahon (Dairy Farmer) and Ellenor McMahon nee O’Connor. Terence and Ellenor did have a son John born in 1872 who died in 1873. John Martin was born later c1875 – a thorough search has failed to find his birth certificate and I suspect that they missed the 6 month cut off for registering the birth and thus it was never registered.
Both Terence (#1938/14747) and Eleanor’s (#1928/07033) death certificates list John as a child and his age (Terence’s lists him by his middle name of Martin).
John’s death certificate also lists John and Eleanor as parents (#1967/05448) though I realise this is a secondary source.
(Eleanor’s name has been spelt about 6 different ways on various documents.)
I have further details on Terence and Eleanor’s lines, more on Eleanor’s line though if you would like it.
Kind regards, Mel
Hi Mel,
Thank you for the information, I will amend our records accordingly.
Any additional information you can provide would be much appreciated.
Regards, Ian
Hi Ian,
As requested, further information on the McMahon and O’Connor families.
Terence McMahon died 1 Jul 1938 (age 99) Reg# 14747/1938. The informant was his son-in-law and on this it states he was born in County Clare, Ireland. From his death we can assume his birth was c1838 or 1839. He died at 51 Westbourne Street Petersham, Sydney. He was buried on 2 Jul 1938 in the Roman Catholic Cemetery at Rookwood, Sydney. So far I have not been able to find a birth for him in Ireland but from secondary sources believe his mother’s name may have been Winifred.
His death certificate also suggests he arrived in Australia in 1862 however I have been unable to confirm his passage here so far.
He married Ealenor O’Connor on 4 Sep 1871 (Reg# 01863/1871). The witnesses were John O’Connor and Margaret O’Connor.
The marriage certificate lists his occupation as a Gold Miner in Major’s Creek, Braidwood, NSW.
On his daughter Margaret Mary’s birth certificate (Reg# 10109/1878) he’s listed as a Labourer in the Tantawangalo area, NSW and on his son Michael Patrick’s (Reg# 15452/1882) birth certificate he’s listed as a Maintenance Man at Rocky Hall near Cathcart, NSW.
In 1909 on John Martin McMahon and Margaret Maud Mulhearn’s marriage certificate (Reg# 001149/1909) Terence is listed as a Dairy Farmer. He is also listed as a dairy farmer on his death certificate.
Ealenor O’Connor was born 12 Feb 1850 (Reg # V1850678 35/1850) in Sydney (name spelt as Elinor). She was baptised on 3 Mar 1850 at St James Church of England in Sydney. She died 5 May 1928 (Reg # 07033/1928) in Bombala District Hospital aged 78 and was buried on 7 May 1928 in the Roman Catholic Cemetery at Cathcart, NSW.
Her parents were John O’Connor and Ann Diment.
John O’Connor was in the 11th Foot Devonshire Regiment and on Ealenor’s birth certificate he’s list as a Drummer at Victoria Barracks.
He joined the Regiment on 15 Dec 1827 (from his British Army Service Records (British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription, Military Discharge Paper 25th June 1853, Series: WO97 Chelsea pensioners British army service records 1760-1913, Box: 329, Box Record Number: 116) – Service Number 749) which also showed he was born on 15 Mar 1813 in Gibraltar, Spain. His father was listed as John O’Connor and he was Irish. I have not been able to find his mother as yet.
John’s military career ended on 25 Jun 1853.
He married Ann Diment on 21 Apr 1841 (GRO Marriage Certificate, June Quarter, District Torrington, Volume 10) at the registrar office in Great Torrington, Devon, England. John lists his father as John O’Connor husbandman on the marriage certificate.
The 1841 Census on 6 June 1841 finds both John and Ann at Hardaway Head, Barnstaple, Devon and John listed as in the Army.
The first child I can find (I suspect there are others) was 21 Feb 1845 – Mary Ann O’Connor, born Torrington, Devon. (North Devon Archives - Baptisms of Great Torrington, Devon. 1845, page 112). John is listed as a Drummer with the 11th Regiment of Foot.
The next child I can find is Ealenor. I know there are more children as certificate list boys and girls living or deceased and I am missing a couple. After Ealenor there is a 6 year gap to the next child Edward. I know the 11th Regiment of Foot first went to Tasmania before Sydney but have been unable to find other children.
John is listed as a Labourer in 1856 on Edward’s birth certificate and as a Storekeeper in 1858 on Philip’s birth certificate.
John died 12 Jul 1870 at Major’s Creek and was buried on 13 Jul 1870 at Braidwood General Cemetery (Reg # 03060/1870)
Ann Diment (other spellings include Diamond and Dymond) listed her occupation as a glove maker on her marriage certificate (GRO Marriage Certificate, June Quarter, District Torrington, Volume 10). She listed her father as James Diment and his occupation as a husbandman. I have not been able to find a birth for her with father James. But her marriage and death certificates suggest a birth c 1823-1825.
Ann died on 29 Sep 1867 at Major’s Creek and was buried on 1 Oct 1867 at Braidwood General Cemetery (Reg# 04475/1867).
Hope this adds more the website, it really is a wonderful resource for anyone with Monaro connections!
Kind regards, Mel
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
BEATTIE
From:
Bill Pickering
Sent: 14 May, 2016 3:29 PM
Subject: Re Henry Roy Beattie
Greetings Ian,
I am currently doing a search for fellow members of the 1952 technicians-in-training PMG Dept intake in Queensland. There were about 90 of us and we have tracked about 70 odd so far- surviving about 54.
The reason for my email is that one of the group with whom I have been unable to make contact or find what became of is one "John Alexander Roy Beattie. From an engagement notice that appeared in the Brisbane Courier Mail of the 24/12/1953 it appears that the father of John was a" H R Beattie" of Nambour Queensland. There is a good probability that this is the Henry Roy Beattie, subject of the recent alteration made by "Michael Beattie". In his post, Michael ,mentions that Henry Roy was his grandfather so he might be able to help me with my endeavour to make contact with John Alexander Roy Beattie.
Any help that you can provide in this regard will be much appreciated. Too many of " Michael Beattie" in the directory to try using the phone to make contact.
Regards, Bill Pickering.
Good morning Ian,
A very big thank you for your very prompt response regarding Michael Beattie. Actually I had a bit of luck, after sending off the email to you yesterday I was reviewing and noting down where I was with my research, (memory not what it used to be, I'm 81 years old).
The search methodology is as follows; Our technicians group were born over the years 1933 to 1936 and as we had to pass a medical to get the job, almost all of us were fit for National Service. We were generally deferred until the 1st intake 1954 so the "Nashos Nominal Roll" gives a lot of info.
Then using "Ancestry" electoral rolls from 1954 to 1980 gives more info, with no entry for the person in 1954 because of the age 21 enrolment at the time. Noting the division and subdivision details for each election year up to 1980 and then searching for a female with a matching location history often gives the probable Christian names of the wife, if the person has married. ( Most of our group would have relocated several times in that period).
Anyway I decided to have another look at possible phone numbers for our John Beattie and then checked them against the reverse directory, (white pages often gives only one initial whilst the reverse may show " also --", often first initial of wife. In this case it matched and I rang the number and it was in fact my colleague from our training days. We had a good long chat as it was the first contact since 1956.
John is in fact the uncle of your Michael Beattie.
Regards, Bill Pickering.
DARMODY
On 14/05/2016 12:44, Myles Hannan wrote:
Proposed Change: Darmody, Kevin Anzac (I331961)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I331961&tree=MP
Description: According to his birth certificate issued in NSW(4047/1916) Kevin Anzac Darmody was born on 8 Jan 1916 at Majura, Federal Capital Territory. The birth was registered in Queanbeyan.
Myles Hannan
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
McELROY
From:
Janet Pritchard
Sent: 14 May, 2016 9:40 AM
Subject: Family History
Good Morning
Ian,
I hope this finds you well, I have contacted you before regarding my ancestor
Maryann McElroy bap. 1821 Richmond she married a John Tindall 15/5/1839, I am
still very confused at why she had so many father's, I would like to find the
right one please, on Maryann's burial a John McElroy was listed you have a
Edward McElroy listed and mother Jane, and most of Ancestry etc, have a Mathew
listed. Please help I have great people searching for me at present and I just
what to close this family and search other ancestors. Thanks also for your
newsletter, have a good weekend.
Regards, Janet Pritchard:-)
Hi Janet,
The NSW BDM Index shows Mary Ann's Father as John which agrees with what you have seen. I will amend our records to show Father = John with no mother listed.
Regards, Ian
HOLDSWORTH
On 13/05/2016 21:33, Leanne wrote:
Proposed Change: Holdsworth, N.F. (I315669)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I315669&tree=MP
Description: Norma Fay Whitby ( Nee Holdsworth) ( My grandmother ) Passed away peacefully on 8th May 2016
Leanne
Hi Leanne,
Thank you for letting us know,
Regards, Ian
BAILEY
From:
John Bailey
Sent: 11 May, 2016 3:56 PM
Subject: Joseph Bailey b. 1859
Ian,
Thank you for your work and diligence compiling the Monaro Pioneers database. Though I have some concerns on the accuracy of information on the death of Joseph Bailey b.1859 I would nonetheless like to add a story on his life recorded in The Monaro Mercury, and Cooma and Bombala Advertiser 18th June 1887. It was a pleasant surprise to find a relative who was relatively free of run ins with the law and who instead was a hero. I have attached a word doc. transcript as well as a pdf copy (pages 3-4) of the article courtesy of Trove. I am looking for confirmation that Joseph, son of John Bailey b. 1803 and Elizabeth Green b. 1829, is the same Joseph E. Bailey that some members have claimed. Thank you once again.
Regards, John Bailey b. 1956
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
CUNNINGHAM
On 10/05/2016 10:26, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Cunningham, Noel Hilary (I179382)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I179382&tree=MP
Description: WW1 record has been digitised Cunningham Noel Hilary : SERN
748 : POB Goulburn NSW : POE Liverpool NSW : NOK Cunningham Edward
Kellie
Hi Kellie,
Yep, I have included deserters in the AIF Enlisters ranks.
Regards, Ian
POTTER
From:
a.potter
Sent: 9 May, 2016 7:31 PM
Subject: Charles Potter
Hi Ian ,
I now have the complete Family Tree from Charles’s Father -William- through to the 7th generation. I have the complete genealogy report which I have attached. In view of the coming changes should it still go to you or what?
Kind regards, Bert Potter
Thank you Bert,
The proposed changes will be transparent to MP users hopefully, but I will continue to manage and maintain the database part of the website for the foreseeable future so please keep sending your material to me as you do now.
Regards, Ian
ROBERTS
From:
famhist
Sent: 9 May, 2016 2:53 PM
Subject: Cooma Pioneers
Hi Ian,
I was in Cooma yesterday and it prompted me to look up my mother’s grandparents.
Daniel Roberts operated a Drapery business on the site of today’s Alpine Hotel from about 1887 till about 1900.
They had two children there – one was (NSW BDM):
|
27889/1888, |
ROBERTS |
CATHERINE E, |
DANIEL J, |
MARY A, |
COOMA |
… my mother’s “Auntie Katie”.
They also had a child Cecil Harold ROBERTS born 1891, Cooma – 3 Nov 1895, Cooma. Buried Mittagang cemetery – No headstone.
An advertisement from the front page of The Cooma Express, Monaro & Southern Districts Advertiser in 1892 read: "A golden opportunity - Seize it! D J Roberts has been particularly fortunate in securing another large lot of winter drapery at a very large discount from ordinary prices. These goods are all perfectly fresh and new, being made specially for This Season's trade. There are no old things but everything is up to date. Roberts has only put on the usual small per centage of profit and when it is borne in mind that these goods have been bought at from 25 per cent below ordinary figures, the advantage of buying now is self-evident. Roberts, the Cheap Draper, Sharp Street, Cooma."
I could let you have more about their parents and siblings, if you wish.
I had been hoping to find a streetscape photo of the area of Sharp Street where we now find the Alpine Hotel around 1900.
Kind wishes, Bruce
PS About the same time my father’s grandparents lived in Bega – Rev Donald McLennan was the Presbyterian Minister there from 1890 to 1895 when he went to Berry.
Hi Bruce,
Thank you, any further information you can provide would be much appreciated.
Regards, Ian
Dear Ian,
I hope this helps:
Daniel John ROBERTS 1853 – 1929
Draper, Cooma – on site of today’s Alpine Hotel
Birth: 1853 in St Stephen (in Brannel), Cornwall, England
Marriage: 1877 in Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England
Death: 1929 in Petersham, New South Wales, Australia5
Burial: Rookwood Cemetery (CoE Section), NSW
Mother: Jenifer DAVIES and Father: Thomas ROBERTS
Wife:
Mary Ann CRAWFORD
Birth: Abt. 1854 in Dublin, Ireland
Death: 1932 in Dulwich Hill, New South Wales, Australia
Burial: Rookwood Cemetery (CoE Section), NSW
Children:
Edith Mary ROBERTS
Birth: 1878 in Everton, Lancashire, England
Death: 1957 in Gosford, New South Wales, Australia
Burial: Northern Suburbs Crematorium, Sydney, Australia
Thomas Crawford ROBERTS
Birth: 1883 in Walton, Lancashire, England
Death: 1964 in Crows Nest, New South Wales, Australia
Burial: Northern Suburbs Crematorium, Sydney, Australia
Albert Ernest ROBERTS
Birth: 1884 in Walton, Lancashire, England
Death: 1954 in Parramatta, New South Wales, Australia
Burial: Church of England Cemetery, Dural, NSW
Catherine Elizabeth ROBERTS
Birth: 1888 in Cooma, New South Wales, Australia
Death: 1967 in Newtown, New South Wales, Australia
Cecil Harold ROBERTS
Birth: 1891 in Cooma, New South Wales, Australia19
Death: 1895 in Cooma, New South Wales, Australia
Burial: Mittagang Cemetery, Cooma, NSW
Daniel Roberts drapery business occupied a building on the south side of Sharp Street that had only been built by J J Mawson in 1890. This building was demolished long after the Roberts had left Cooma, in 1938, and replaced by what is now the Alpine Hotel (170 Sharp Street). The Alpine Hotel license was originally held in Kiandra. After a fire, the license was transferred to Cooma in 1938 and the Coach House Inn was built - eventually renamed the Alpine Hotel.
An advertisement from the front page of The Cooma Express, Monaro & Southern Districts Advertiser in 1892 read: "A golden opportunity - Seize it! D J Roberts has been particularly fortunate in securing another large lot of winter drapery at a very large discount from ordinary prices. These goods are all perfectly fresh and new, being made specially for This Season's trade. There are no old things but everything is up to date. Roberts has only put on the usual small per centage of profit and when it is borne in mind that these goods have been bought at from 25 per cent below ordinary figures, the advantage of buying now is self-evident. Roberts, the Cheap Draper, Sharp Street, Cooma."
The Sydney Morning Herald of 8 February 1893 announced that "Nominations for the Cooma Municipal Council were made yesterday at the council-chambers. Eight were received for aldermen, one of which was declared informal, and there was one withdrawn, leaving the following candidates for three seats:- John Taylor Cooke, David Myles, John E. Body, Henry Gunning, Herbert Henry Mawson, and George E Rook. For auditors there were three nominations:- Alfred Bruce Newman, Charles J. Hain, and Daniel J. Roberts. The polling-day is next Saturday, and a close contest is anticipated." A week later it reported the "polling had been unusually heavy" and "C. J. Haine and A. C. B. Newman were successful as Auditors.
Courtesy Bruce A McLennan, North Curl Curl. May 2016
Did you have any suggestions about where I might go to look for street photos of the relevant part of Sharp Street?
Kind wishes, Bruce
Thank you Bruce,
For the source of possible photos, I suggest you put a request on our Facebook page and you could also try the Cooma Library.
Regards, Ian
Thanks Ian,
Bruce
MATHEWS
On 09/05/2016 22:35, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Mathews, Patrick Kevin (I335696)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I335696&tree=MP
Description: Further search shows this guy might be the nephew of Bernard Cunningham..
From WWII Records
MATHEWS PATRICK KEVIN : Service Number - NX137336 : Date of birth - 10 May 1913 : Place of birth - BUNGENDARE NSW : Place of enlistment - BUNOO NSW : Next of Kin - MATHEWS JOSEPH
Cannot find the birth but I think he lied about the date.
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
IRWIN
On 09/05/2016 19:28, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Irwin, Noble (I180856)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I180856&tree=MP
Description: Braidwood may have been the registration district noted on BDM info but the family was from Araluen, which is where they lived and had land. Poor Noble must have known he was going to die as he made a quick Will on the 30th December, 1874 and he died 1st January, 1875.
Kellie
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Regards, Ian
IRWIN
On 09/05/2016 19:10, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Irwin, William (I96306)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I96306&tree=MP
Description: Registration year 1851
Denomination Presbyterian
Registration district Illawarra District, Kiama
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
IRWIN
On 09/05/2016 18:55, Kellie wrote:
Proposed Change: Irwin, Sarah (I132683)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I132683&tree=MP
Description: Baptism date 19 Nov 1848
Baptism place St.Lawrence, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Kellie
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BROWN
On 09/05/2016 16:51, Patricia McGufficke wrote:
Proposed Change: Brown, Alfred Ray (I293775)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I293775&tree=MP
Description: Alfred Ray Brown buried 25 Aug 1983 Gungahlin Cemetery, ACT
Patricia McGufficke
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BROWN
On 09/05/2016 16:49, Pat McGufficke wrote:
Proposed Change: Brown, Reginald Henry (I293774)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I293774&tree=MP
Description: Reg Brown died 1982 in Concord Hospital, NSW.
Pat McGufficke
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
GRAHAM
On 09/05/2016 16:45, Patricia McGufficke wrote:
Proposed Change: Graham, Thomas (I87806)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I87806&tree=MP
Description: Thomas Graham born 1885 Wollongong,NSW son of Thomas Graham (1855-1915) and Mary Oliver Cavill (1862-1938), died 1958 at Parramatta, NSW. His and Annie May Elliott's children: Robert born 1929 Queensland; Eileen born 1932 Queensland. He and Annie divorced in 1935 and Annie married Hector Brooklyn Davis in 1961 in Wyong, NSW.
Patricia McGufficke
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Regards, Ian
ROBERTS
From:
famhist
Sent: 9 May, 2016 2:53 PM
Subject: Cooma Pioneers
Hi Ian,
I was in Cooma yesterday and it prompted me to look up my mother’s grandparents.
Daniel Roberts operated a Drapery business on the site of today’s Alpine Hotel from about 1887 till about 1900.
They had two children there – one was (NSW BDM):
|
27889/1888, |
ROBERTS |
CATHERINE E, |
DANIEL J, |
MARY A, |
COOMA |
… my mother’s “Auntie Katie”.
They also had a child Cecil Harold ROBERTS born 1891, Cooma – 3 Nov 1895, Cooma. Buried Mittagang cemetery – No headstone.
An advertisement from the front page of The Cooma Express, Monaro & Southern Districts Advertiser in 1892 read: "A golden opportunity - Seize it! D J Roberts has been particularly fortunate in securing another large lot of winter drapery at a very large discount from ordinary prices. These goods are all perfectly fresh and new, being made specially for This Season's trade. There are no old things but everything is up to date. Roberts has only put on the usual small per centage of profit and when it is borne in mind that these goods have been bought at from 25 per cent below ordinary figures, the advantage of buying now is self-evident. Roberts, the Cheap Draper, Sharp Street, Cooma."
I could let you have more about their parents and siblings, if you wish.
I had been hoping to find a streetscape photo of the area of Sharp Street where we now find the Alpine Hotel around 1900.
Kind wishes, Bruce
PS About the same time my father’s grandparents lived in Bega – Rev Donald McLennan was the Presbyterian Minister there from 1890 to 1895 when he went to Berry.
Hi Bruce,
Thank you, any further information you can provide would be much appreciated.
Regards, Ian
THURBONS
On 07/05/2016 18:50, jen white wrote:
Hi Ian,
I can't tell you how grateful I am to you and all the contributors of the MP site for the amazing information you have given me and my family about our roots.
I could not believe that my Grandad's grandfather was a 14 year old convict who had been sent out alone. It felt incredibly close. My Grandad was one of the famous boxing Thurbons. He was William James Gregory Thurbon. My mother, whose line it was, new nothing of our convict past. Possibly, convicts were not something families did not like to admit having, back in the early 1900s and it might have been kept from her.
Sadly, my mother, Gwendoline, passed away last year at the age of 88.
Being an only child , she was the last THURBON along her line.
Anyway, I have bought the Legacy Tree and look forward to downloading the MP database in due course. I recently got a message from OneDrive saying they are changing their free space allocation so hopefully that does not interfere with your handover plans.
If I was retired from work I would be tempted to take the database on and keep it an evolving thing.
So, so, Appreciatively Yours, Jennifer White, nee Buchhorn
Thank you Jen, I will send you the link.
Regards, Ian
On 07/05/2016 18:12, David and Sandra Bales wrote:
Dear Ian,
Firstly and most importantly, thank you for all your work for the Monaro families. I have had a lot of enjoyment reading the results of your efforts and the contributions of others.
I would like a copy of the data base if possible please. We already run Legacy but haven’t upgraded . Will we need to run the upgraded version as we work on version 7.5. We haven’t added much to Legacy recently as my wife and I are both involved with Ryerson Indexing which has taken a lot of our spare time.
Regards from a grateful reader, David
Hi David,
Thanks for the kind words, yes the database will be in the latest version format so you can either upgrade or use the gedcom file to import.
Regards, Ian
EVERINGHAM
From:
Helen Kirwin
Sent: 7 May, 2016 5:32 PM
Subject: Monaro Pioneer Database
Hello Ian
Sad state of affairs for you regarding the Monaro Pioneer Database. I know what you mean about the handing over of any family database as you advance in years. I am facing the same situation BUT I do have family members to hand the Family Tree to. As I advance in age, now in my 70s, I am trying to fix up any errors and leave the Trees complete (as much as you can). Also to leave a system where the family can pick it up and run into the future with it. Luckily I have daughters who are interested and willing to travel into the future with it. Plus it looks like there are a couple of grand-daughters who will carry on into the next stage of guardianship.
I am interest in getting a copy of your database because it contains information regarding my son-in-law's Melville family. He has a strong link with the Hawksbury area, as well, from his mother's side of her family. His history, through his mother, comes down the line from Matthew Everingham's youngest son, John Everingham.
If you do have to make a charge for the database, please let know.
Thank you for all your time and effort in creating and maintaining such an important piece of our history.
Regards, Helen Kirwin (nee Malligan)
Thank you Helen, I hope you are able to use the database.
Regards, Ian
