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Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
2016 Number 7
ANNOUNCEMENTS:
Hi Folks,
I am delighted to announce that Kellie Brown has volunteered to join the Monaro Pioneers Project to help the further development of the Pioneers and Settlers Index and the maintenance of the database. Many of you will recognise her name from her numerous contributions to the project over the years as well as her tireless support activity on the Ancestry Message Boards. I know from personal experience that Kellie is an exceptional and meticulous researcher who possesses an astonishing memory for detail and her involvement in the project will benefit all who use our website.
Kellie has asked me to tell you "PLEASE let people know that from 1856 pre 1896 for NSW marriages it was up to the Church to collect relevant information i.e. Age, place of birth, parents names etc. I am always seeing people in newsletters say they purchased a marriage certificate but there was only basic information on it. IF anyone has a marriage certificate which names the church, I am willing to spend one day a month (after the newsletter comes out) at the National Library to see if the Church Registers are there and if the those registers contain any more relevant information. The Church Registers are on microfilm so a date and church are needed otherwise I'd be looking forever."
If anyone would like Kellie's help please contact her at Kellie@monaropioneers.com
Regards,
Ian
MONARO PIONEERS now on Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/groups/893648944008345/
CURRENT CORRESPONDENCE:
From:
Pam Birchall
Sent: 3 September, 2016 8:58 AM
Subject: Catching Up
Good morning Ian,
Trying to catch up on things in between my downsizing which should have been done before I left The Shire. Love your Facebook page. Just reading through your latest newsletter ~ I’ve been a bit slack and haven’t caught up with them all.
If I wanted to Share any entries from your Facebook site to mine is that allowable? I’ve probably mentioned to you that I belong to about 4 family history groups and it may help to circulate an unnamed photo and I might fluke an answer for you.
I know you’re pretty busy but is it possible you’re going to Camden next weekend?
I just read the Q & A with Kellie Brown and I for one know just how careful you are with the information you add ~ I supplied certificates/transcriptions as proof and eventually on Mrs. Murphy’s passing you were able to combine the two families for us and for future family members which was absolutely brilliant. I coordinate a group of seniors on a Wednesday morning and I always tell them to check your website. At the moment my young neighbour is working on updating their information so I may be able to eventually add to your records a little.
Again, thank you for your wonderful work, I’m guessing you’ll be celebrating tomorrow, do have a great day,
Pam.
Hi Pam,
Nice to hear from you again, I hope all is well.
Thanks also for the kind words, I am not planning to be in Camden next weekend, what is on?
I suggest you ask Bruce Stubbs who administers the Facebook page for the share permission.
Regards, Ian
LOVELOCK
On 2016-09-03 09:12, Gavin Spicer wrote:
Proposed Change: Lovelock, M.J. (I96105)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I96105&tree=MP
Description: Mervyn James Lovelock born 17 July 1923 in Cooma and died in
Newcastle 24 April 2016 buried in the Methodist section of the Mittagang
Cemetery at Cooma on the 2 May 2015
Gavin Spicer
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
WALLACE
From: Raymond Wallace
Sent: 2 September, 2016 4:18 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wallace, William (I291164)
Proposed Change: Wallace, William (I291164)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I291164&tree=MP
Description: Born: 27AUG1884 at Cotter River, Near Tharwa.
Bapt: 22OCT1884 at Queanbeyan St Gregory's RC
Died: 05DEC1884 at Queanbeyan
Buried: Queanbeyan Riverside
Sources: Baptism records & death certificate
Raymond Wallace
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
BLYTON/WILLIAM’S
From: Vicki Ryan
Sent: 31 August, 2016 11:30 AM
Subject: Question
Good morning Ian and David
I was wondering if there is a list of the cemeteries around Cooma that lists the names of the deceased and their plot numbers. Or would I be best to contact the local Shire.
My husband and I are going to Cooma in a months time and would be easier to have the plot numbers. I have several Blyton and Wiliam's family members that I would like to find.
David I would also like to subscribe to the Monthly newsletters. I tried to do this on line but when I clicked on the link nothing happened. My email address is vickiryan7@bigpond.com.
Regards, Vicki Ryan
Hi Vicki,
I believe the Cooma Council should be able to assist you.
Regards, Ian
ROBINSON
On 2016-08-30 05:08, Gregory McInnes wrote:
Proposed Change: Robinson, Allan Hilton (I253843)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I253843&tree=MP
Description: Buried: 2 Aug 2004, Carinya Gardens Cemetery & Crematorium, Mount
Gambier, SA. Plot/Grave/Niche G228
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROBERTSON
On 2016-08-30 01:30, Stephen Selwyn Roberson wrote:
Proposed Change: Family: Roberson, John Frederick / Stennett, Ely May
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F22108&tree=MP
Description: Hi,
As the grandson of Ely May Roberson (ne Stennett), I wish to advise that my
father, Neville Selwyn Roberson should be added to the list of her children.
Neville Selwyn Roberson was b 20th March 1920 at Stanmore, NSW and died on 4th
June 2013 at Liverpool, NSW.
Regards, Stephen Selwyn Roberson
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
FREEBODY
Subject: THHOMAS FREEBODY [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]
Date: 29-08-2016 16:04
From: "Waterhouse, Ross MR"
UNOFFICIAL
Reading from an extract on Simon Freebody (Adaminaby c1864) I am certain that Thomas Freebody (born in 1909) is my grandfather and am hoping you would be able to provide details (if any) of his siblings.
My grandfather, Thomas, died early (aged 23) his wife Ada (my grangmother) remarried , unfortunately there is little information known of my grandfather and his family.
Should there be any siblings alive and willing to communicate with us we would be happy for them to contact us and we could fill in some gaps regarding Grandad's Son, Thomas, George adopted by his step farther and known as George.
George my father married Norma and have eight children (5 boys and 3 girls) a number of us have children and Grand children, if someone on the Freebody side of the family were interested in the full details, filling the gaps we would be more than happy for them to contact us.
The below extract are details of Grandad, copied from your website, it would be nice to know more about dad's side of the family.
M vii. THOMAS JOSEPH FREEBODY was born on August 31, 1912 in Dalgety, NSW, died in 1935 in Bathurst, NSW1049 [1] at age 23, and was buried in Bathurst, NSW.
Thomas married ADA EMILY C. MORGAN, daughter of GEORGE BURGESS MORGAN and FLORENCE MARY PHILLIPS, in 1932 in Bathurst, NSW.1050 [2] Ada was born about 1914.
Hoping you are able to provide some assistance.
Regards.
Ross Waterhouse
Links:
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[1] http://www.monaropioneers.com/freebodys.htm#1049
[2] http://www.monaropioneers.com/freebodys.htm#1050
Hi Ross,
All the information we have is available in our database - the search link is on our home page. This email will be included in our next newsletter and that may encourage contact with the Freebody clan.
Regards, Ian
STAPLES
On 2016-08-28 06:45, Peter A Crimmins wrote:
Proposed Change: Staples, Emma (I105640)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I105640&tree=MP
Description: Kathleen Crimmins married name Farrell Kathleen Married Patrick
Farrell Had daughter Joan Farrell Kathleen outlived her husband and her
daughter.
Patrick Farrell died at work Glass Blower.
Joan Farrell, died pancreatic cancer 1976 Kathleen died late November or early
December 1986.
She is buried at Rookwood Cemetry NSW
Peter A Crimmins
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
LOVE
From: Elizabeth
Sent: 28 August, 2016 7:41 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Love, Edwin (I96212)
Proposed Change: Love, Edwin (I96212)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I96212&tree=MP
Description: Addition of another daughter of Edwin's (mother Lottie Goward):
Brenda Dorothy Love
Born 22nd March 1938 in Eden, NSW
Died 1983
Brenda had two spouses, although I have yet to find record of her officially marrying them.
The first was:
Leo Martin O'Brien
Born 14th June 1921 in Richmond, VIC
Died 17th March 1980
She bore a child in this relationship:
Gary Martin O'Brien
Second being:
Charles Harold Ralph Jones
Born 30th June 1918 in South Melbourne, VIC Died 6th July 2001
Hope this helps.
Elizabeth
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
From: Bruce Stubbs
Sent: 28 August, 2016 7:47 AM
Subject: Question from Facebook member over Two Monaro Pionners Websites
Hi Ian and David,
On the Monaro Pioneers Facebook page a member recently posted the following issue:
can someone tell why there is 2 sites for the pioneers
one is the index and the other you type in the name and yet one site some of the
names another does not.....
The two websites are:
http://www.monaropioneers.com/
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mould/monaro/
Can you please clarify why there are two websites in the next newsletter?
Regards, Bruce
Hi Bruce,
It is difficult to fully understand the question due to its cryptic nature but I shall answer what I interpret the question to mean.
The MP site has a Pioneers and Settlers Index which tries to list the head of the region's early settler families. Originally this index was intended as a means to find and link to a separate webpage for each family who contributed material and or images during the early stages of the project. Before the database was available on line, each of those separate webpages contained a descendant report showing the family tree as well as contact information. With the availability of the database online, these descendant reports can now be generated dynamically ensuring the information therein is always current and no longer is a separate copy needed on each family webpage. If you check any of those webpages you will find a link called "descendant report" which when clicked will redirect a user directly to the appropriate entry within the database.
The Pioneers and Settlers Index is not complete yet and readers are asked yet again to let us know of any families not listed who should be.
The database contains all the genealogy information we have plus all the images of people, documents, headstones etc for all the known families of the region plus many more from adjoining areas as well as other parts of the state and country. The database is searchable by name as well as other parameters.
Many of the newer Index's entries when selected simply link straight to the individual concerned in the database because there is no separate family webpage on our site.
The site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~mould/monaro/ is Pattrick Mould's early attempt at creating a Monaro Pioneers website and is years out of date and definitely no longer a part of the MP project. Any further explanation or action about this site would need to come from Pattrick Mould.
The only site that should be used is www.monaropioneers.com.
Regards, Ian
POLLARD
From: Warwick
Sent: 27 August, 2016 4:32 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Pollard, Ellen (I34072)
Proposed Change: Pollard, Ellen (I34072)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I34072&tree=MP
Description: MRS. ELLEN GINN
Mrs. Ellen Ginn, one of Goulburn's oldest residents, died in hospital on May
17 at the age of 96 years and 10 months. She had spent the last 65 years of her life in this city. The late Mrs. Ginn, whose maiden name was Ellen Pollard, was born at The Oaks, near Camden where her father and mother settled following their arrival from England 110 years ago, the voyage to Australia, by sailing ship taking 12 months to complete: Later the family travelled by bullock waggon to Jerrawa in search of land; and settled there for a time.
She often recalled, how her father was held-up by bushrangers and also robbed by the blacks, who on one occasion searched the Pollard home, but failed to find £240 planted there. Another time Mr. Pollard was journeying to Yass to pay for the land he had bought at Jerrawa when he encountered bushrangers, who demanded money, only to receive a not negotiable" cheque which they returned in disgust to the rightful owner.
Mrs Ginn could remember the shooting of Trooper Nelson at Collector, and also an historic fire at Melbourne, the ashes from which were carried by the wind to Jerrawa and had to be later swept away from the house and haystacks.
During the Lambing Flat riots soldiers stopped at her home and helped themselves to the milk, geese and fowls.
To the time of her death Mrs. Ginn used a work basket which is now 225 years old, having been handed down to her by her grandmother.
She is survived by five sons and four daughters: also 30 grandchildren, 70 great grandchildren and one great great grandchild. Her husband the late Charles Ginn; was accidentally killed on the Kingsdale Road 50 years ago.
The surviving sons and daughters are: William(Goulburn) Hamilton (Goulburn), Benjamin (Dee Why), George (Ryde), Henry William (North Sydney), Mrs A. Funnell (Dee Why), Mrs. J. Thorburn (Manly) and Mrs. J. McLaughlin (Goulburn). A son and daughter predeceased her.
Goulburn Evening Penny Post, Tuesday 22 May 1934 page 3
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
GINN
From: Warwick
Sent: 27 August, 2016 4:31 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Ginn, Charles (I34131)
Proposed Change: Ginn, Charles (I34131)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I34131&tree=MP
Description: THE LATE FATAL ACCIDENT AT KINGSDALE.-An inquest was held at the courthouse on Tuesday afternoon by Mr. Betts, coroner, in reference to the death of Charles Ginn, who was killed on the previous evening by colliding with a buggy whilst riding into town from Kingsdale. The particulars given to the police and reported in our last issue, although correct in the main, were in error in a few of the details. The facts as given is evidence were as follow :-Benjamin Ginn, son of the deceased, deposed that the body just viewed by the jury was that of his father, Charles Ginn; he was forty-six years of age, a limeburner by trade, and had left a widow and nine chlildren.-James Brown, residing at the limeworkls, Kingsdale, deposed that deceased had been working for him for some time; on the previous evening he and his wife were returning from Goulburn in a buggy about seven o'clock; on nearing Mr. Shepherd's residence he heard the noise of horses approaching at a fast gallop; he saw that there were three horses, two of which were abreast; he cried out and pulled his horse to the left of the road as far as it was possible; shortly after the off front wheel of his buggy was struck by a grey horse; he was confused, and in recovering his seat he did not see the horse fall; he got out of the buggy as soon as he could; he saw a man lying on his back on the road whom he recognised as the deceased, Charles Ginn; his horse was standing by him; wit ness did not notice the deceased breathing, and he put his hand upon his heart and discovered that it was not beating; the deceased seemed quite dead, and never moved; the wheel of the buggy was broken, the axle bent, and the shaft was injured; witness spoke to George Roots and Mark Day, the companions of the deceased, about riding so fast on a main road; Roots replied that he and Ginn were trying to overtake Day; as far as witness could observe they were sober; he saw the riders approach ing, and they must have seen him, as he was driving a grey horse ; they could have pulled up if they had been more careful; there was no obstruction in the road to cause the horse to shy; the buggy was going at a jog; if witness had not given them room he would have been smashed.-George Roots deposed that he worked at the limekilns; on the previous evening he and the deceased started on horseback to come into town about six o'clock; they called at Kennedy's public-house, but did not got off their horses or have any drink; shortly after leaving there they saw a man riding ahead of them, and set off in a swift canter to overtake him; they caught up to him at the corner of Mr. Shepherd's lucerne paddock; witness saw a buggy approaching them; it had a grey horse; they pulled off the road and slackened their pace; the buggy went to its right side of the road; in passing the buggy Day was leading, witness was next and the deceased was behind; the mare the deceased was riding struck the buggy and fell; the deceased fell on to the road and never moved or spoke afterwards; the witness could not say whether the mare fell on Ginn or no; she was very quiet; Day and witness had passed the buggy ten yards before the deceased struck it; there was a mark of an injury on the back of Ginn's head, and blood was coming from his mouth. Mark Day also gave evidence, but it was immaterial. -Constable Drummond deposed that on the pre vious evening he and Constable Wiles went out to Kingsdale and found deceased lying upon the side of the road, dead; there was a clot of blood and gravel on the base of his skull, and blood was flowing from his mouth; there was a large pool of blood in the middle of the road; he noticed an ugly wound on the inside of the off fore leg of the mare the deceased was riding.-No medical evidence was given as the coroner did not consider it necessary. -The jury returned a verdict that the deceased met his death through injuries received in a collision with a buggy, and that no blame attached to anyone.
Goulburn Herald, Thursday 30 October 1884 page 2
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
EBZERY
On 2016-08-26 08:32, Louise Gale wrote:
Proposed Change: Ebzery, Philip (I218184)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I218184&tree=MP
Description: Marriage date 3 June 1844, St Mary's Roman Catholic Church, Sydney
Source: microfilm of parish register
Louise Gale
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
BULL
On 2016-08-26 01:28, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Bull, James Alfred (I292854)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I292854&tree=MP
Description: A PUZZLED ACCUSED.
Alfred Bull was charged with having, on 3rd May last, stolen seven sheep, the
property of exors. of the late D. Howse, of Yammatree, and one sheep, the
property of J. J. L. Grubb, of Bongongolong. Mr. Taylor (Cootamundra) for
accused. When charged, Bull said, 'I plead guilty ! ' Mr. Taylor looked amazed.
'What !' he said, 'You must be mentally deranged. How do you plead ?' 'l plead
guilty,' said Mr. Bull. Mr. Taylor then went over to Bull and spoke to him, and
he altered his plea to one of not guilty. Jury.'97 S. H. Eagles, J. Walsh, G. W.
Last, A. E. Sheather, F. P. Rusconi, J. T. Hainsworth, J. S. Bruchhauser, E. J.
Livermore, W. J. Prowse, E. G. McLeod. The Crown challenged one jurer and the
accused four. Accused admitted (on advice of his solicitor) that he killed the
eight sheep and sold the skins, that he threw the carcases down a disused mining
shaft, believing the whole eight sheep were the property of the Howse Estate.
This admission disposed of the necessity of any evidence from Sergt. Hinde.
Constable Ryan deposed that he went to Richards' skin shop on 3rd May last,
about 7 p.m., and took eight skins to the lockup. Then he got Bull to go to the
police station, where, in reply to Constable Simmons, Bull admitted he had been
at Reno that day that he was lopping trees for Howse and Green, travelling out
and back in Bill Sheehan's sulky. Bull told Simmons that he had not brought
anything back in the sulky except an old blanket and two or three empty bags. He
took Bull to the cell, where the skins were, and asked him if he had ever seen
the skins before. Bull replied, 'I know nothing about them.' When charged by
Sergt. Hinde with killing eight sheep, with intent to steal, Bull said, 'I know
I killed seven or eight sheep of Howse's, in Field's paddock, but I never killed
a sheep of Grubb's. The skin must have been taken from the skin shop.' I brought
the skins of the seven sheep I killed to Gundagai and sold them to Richards.'
Accused interposed as witness was giving evidence as to where he found the
carcases in a mining shaft. 'Excuse me,' he said, 'I told Mr. Ryan 'Shut up !'
said accused's solicitor, who went over to his client. Witness, continuing, told
how he found the eight carcases in the old mining shaft, aud, later, he went to
an old shed in Field's paddock, where he found dry blood and a quantity of small
pieces of wool. The two bags he found in Bull's sulky were blood-stained.
Replying to Mr. Taylor, witness said Bull told him, after the arrest, that the
carcases were in a hole 200 yards from Field's house. (Admitted', by Bull that
he cashed cheque -he got from Richards at Webbey's). Beresford Oswald Howse
deposed that he was managing his late father's estate at Yammatree. He first
engaged Bull to work for him about the middle of April. Bull told him he could
get country (said to be Crown land) where he could provide scrub and grass for
witness' sheep, and if witness gave him 50 sheep at the end of three months he
(Bull) would do his best to pull the rest of the sheep through. This arrangement
existed till about 11 a.m. on 3rd May last, when witness cancelled the
arrangement because he found that all Bull's supposedly Crown land was a lease
owned by the Reardons. He then arranged with Bull to pay him for any back work,
and to put him on a weekly wage. To Mr. Taylor, witness said a man named Green
was present when he cancelled the agreement with Bull. He remembered Bull
saying, 'Charlie Green says I can have a bit of land.' His sheep were very weak.
To the C.P., witness said it was not usual to sell warm skins. The sheep from
which the skins were taken would be worth about 8/- each. Thomas Richards, skin
buyer, deposed that he paid Bull l/6/8 for eight skins 3/4 each. J. J. L. Grubb,
grazier, of Bongon golong, deposed that one of the skins produced was his
property. This was the case for the Crown. Accusel, James Alfred Bull, elected
to give evidence. He deposed : On 3rd May Howse said to me, 'Reardon says I's on
his property.' Mr. Green told me I could run Howse's sheep on his property if I
fenced a small portion of it, with water on it, where I had been feeding sheep.
I lopped quince trees and oaks on Green's land. When I told Howse that Green
gave me permission he said, 'Alright.' When I killed these sheep [ considered I
had a right to do so two or three of them were down. Mr. Green had picked them
up. I was minding the sheep when Howse left. It was about 5 p.m. when I killed
the sheep. I used to put the sheep in a yard of Field's at night. I picked out
these weak sheep because there were logs and scrub, and if the sheep got down
they could not be found. I thought it was just as well to have a few 'bob' for
the skins as to let them rot in the paddock. After I skinned the sheep I put the
skins into a bag and put the carcases into a sulky, and on my way to Gundagai
(about 400 yards from where I killed the sheep) I put the carcases down a mining
shaft. A fortnight previously I skinned another sheep, hung the skin on a rence,
and covered the carcase with wood, so that it would not draw the dogs and crows
and flies. I threw the eight carcases down the shaft for this reason. I cannot
read or write, I never before saw the skin claimed by Mr. Grubb. I was to take
50 live sheep I took the dead ones because I thought they were mine. When the
police came to me I was frightened. It occurred to me afterwards that I had done
wrong in telling a lie.' To the C.P., accused said he felt nervous when he saw
Constable Ryan. Howse was telling an untruth when he said he offered to pay him
back wages. A fair wage to receive up where Howse's sheep were would be I per
day. The eight sheep were part of the fifty Howse gave him. He would sooner bear
a loss than Mr. Howse. It took him about half an hour to skin the eight sheep.
He didn't care who knew he skinned the sheep. Howse did not say how he was to
take the 50 sheep. He sold the skins while they were warm because he wanted a
few 'bob.' To His Honor : I had the sheep from about 12th April to 3rd May. May
3 was the first occasion I helped myself to sheep. Those eight sheep were part
of the 50 I was to get. I took them because l wanted to buy tucker.
F. C. Green, grazier, of 'Fleet-wood,' deposed that on May 3, in Field's
paddock, he heard Howse and Bull talking about the agistment terminating because
-Bull had no ground to run the sheep on. When he was leaving Bull came to him,
and he gave him permission to erect a fence across it. Bull then went back to
Howse. Howse's sheep were weak he had picked up two himself. This was the case
for the defence. O. B. Howse was recalled. He admitted that Bull told him about
Green agreeing to let him have a paddock, but witness did not agree to this.
After addresses by counsel his Honor summed up. He told the jury that they could
bring in a verdict of stealing sheep, or stealing the skins, or a verdict of not
guilty. Accused was an unfortunate who had no edu cation and was evidently not
too bright when he insisted on pleading guilty, much to the indignation of his
counsel. The jury brought in a verdict of stealing sheepskins, with a strong
recommendation to mercy on account of the slipshod way the agreement with Howse
was made. His Honor extended the provisions of the First Offenders' Act to Bull.
The value of the skins must be re turned to prosecutors, and Bull must find two
sureties of 50 each, and self for 100 to be of good behavior for two years. If
Bull could not get the sureties he must go to Goulburn gaol for nine months.
Bull was unable to get sureties in court, and, on the application of his
solicitor, was allowed to remain in Gundagai lockup for three days to see if
sureties can be found.
Adelong and Tumut Express and Tumbarumba Post (NSW : 1900 - 1925), Friday 1 June
1923, page 1
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GUNDAGAI QUARTER SESSIONS.
GUNDAGAI, Tuesday.
At the Gundagai sessions, James Alfred Bull was sentenced to nine months'
imprisonment for stealing eight sheepskins. The accused was released under the
first offenders' provisions of the Crimes Act
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954), Wed 30 May 1923, Page 14
APOLOGY.
I the undersigned William Dowell hereby apologise to James Alfred Bull for the
statement I have made to the effect that he was stealing gold from the Long
Tunnel Mine. I had no ground for making such statement, and I hereby with draw
and express my regret for having used same. I have no reason to think that
anyone Is stealing gold from the Long Tunnel Mine. Dated at Gundagai, this 30th
day of September, 1921.
WILLIAM DOWELL.
The Gundagai Times and Tumut, Adelong and Murrumbidgee District Advertiser (NSW
: 1868 - 1931)
Tue 4 Oct 1921, Page 2
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
SHEEDY
On 2016-08-25 18:40, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Sheedy, Anne Amelia (I172237)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I172237&tree=MP
Description: death
GUMLEY Annie Amelia Funeral notice 15DEC1942 Funeral Sydney
Morning Herald 15DEC1942
GUMLEY Annie Amelia Death notice 13DEC1942 Death 67 at Royal
North Shore Hospital Sydney Morning Herald 14DEC1942
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
GUMLEY
On 2016-08-25 18:38, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Gumley, Charles S. (I172241)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I172241&tree=MP
Description: death?
GUMLEY Charles Sadler Death notice 05FEB1927 Death 65 late of
Crows Nest Sydney Morning Herald 07FEB1927
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
HAYES
On 2016-08-25 07:01, Lyn Smith wrote:
Proposed Change: Hayes, Arthur James (I139400)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I139400&tree=MP
Description: From his enlistment record, Arthur Hayes' mother was K Wilson, born
1892 Cooma.
NSW bdm 2199/1876 is given as a source, not 1892.
There is no NSW birth record for Arthur Hayes son of Michael and Catherine.
He was not the son of Michael Hayes and Catherine Maher.
Lyn Smith
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
WALLACE
On 2016-08-25 05:11, Raymond Wallace wrote:
Proposed Change: Wallace, Agnes (I291163)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I291163&tree=MP
Description: born 05OCT1881 at Cotter, Murrumbidgee, NSW.
died 01APR1946 at Coledale Heights, NSW
buried RC Scarborough NSW
married 1. - Matthew Moffatt 21MAR1904 at the residence of A.H.D. Crammond,
Dubbo according to the rites of the Presbyterian Church.
married 2. - William Robert Robinson
Sources: birth, marriage & death certificates
Raymond Wallace
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
KEMP
On 2016-08-25 01:30, Geoff Laverick wrote:
Hi Ian
Thanks for the great work you do for the Monaro pioneers website.
In relation to the entry for Mark Kemp , born 1878, married Emma Matilda Povey
1904 youngest child Vera May Kemp b.1911, died Sydney 21st February, aged 86
I am interested in the history of the Colinton region and in particular the Post
Office operated by my grandmother Emma Matilda Kemp ( maiden name Povey). Also
the tiny school at Colinton attended by my mother Vera May Kemp and her brothers
Charles raymond Kemp and Thomas Alfred Kemp
Thanks so much, Jenny Laverick
Thank you Jenny,
Regards, Ian
LOVE
On 2016-08-23 06:05, Barbara Wise wrote:
Proposed Change: Family: Love, Ernest Charles / Paxton, Una Eliza
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F92771&tree=MP
Description: Una Eliza Love (ne Paxton) buried Forest Lawn Cemetery Leppington
Ernest Robert Love buried Northern Suburbs Cemetery North Ryde
These people were my grandparents
Barbara Wise
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
MERCER
On 2016-08-23 00:37, Gary Mercer wrote:
Proposed Change: Mercer, James John (I112434)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I112434&tree=MP
Description: Died Punchbowl NSW
Gary Mercer
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
ROBINSON
From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: 22 August, 2016 11:39 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Robinson, Adrian Gladstone (I11072)
Proposed Change: Robinson, Adrian Gladstone (I11072)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I11072&tree=MP
Description: Died: 14 December 1967. QLD BDM 1967/B94084
Buried: 14 December 1967. Pinnaroo Lawn Cemetery, Brisbane, Qld
Married: Jessie Amelia HESS. 27 July 1940. Brisbane, Qld. QLD BDM
1940/B40247
Gregory McInnes
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WOISIN
From: Freda Woisin
Sent: 22 August, 2016 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: Your genealogy user account has been activated.
To Ian,
My nephew forwarded your website. An Emma Woisin from NW Germany was documented. What an amazing website. Our ancestor Johann Woisin migrated to NZ from the Mechlenburg NW Germany in1876.Wonder if any of her Bryant descendants are in touch with your site, as possibly we may be related. Have activated a user a/c on invitation which is appreciated.
Many thanks, Freda Woisin
SUTHERN
From: Don Walker
Sent: 22 August, 2016 5:58 PM
Subject: Comments (Suthern, Lottie Violet Irene b. 17 Dec 1893 "Raven Head", Berridale, New South Wales d. 23 Jul 1982 Cooma, New South Wales)
Comments (Suthern, Lottie Violet Irene b. 17 Dec 1893 "Raven Head", Berridale, New South Wales d. 23 Jul 1982 Cooma, New South Wales): Hi. My mother died in 2008, and I have just found a letter written to her in about 1934 by L.V.Suthern of Glen-Eira, Berridale, via Cooma. I am wondering if L V Southern (a wife) is Lottie Suthern, and whether there is family who would be interested in receiving the letter. Thanks for any help.
Don Walker (son of Lilly Scott, Goulburn)
Hi Don,
We can include your email in our next newsletter and hopefully that will reach an interested family member for you.
Regards, Ian
VENTRY
From: Bruce Stubbs
Sent: 20 August, 2016 9:30 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Ventry, Percival Gerald (I282620)
Proposed Change: Ventry, Percival Gerald (I282620)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I282620&tree=MP
Description: Ventry, Unknown I106403 is the same person as Percival Gerald Ventry (I282620)
Bruce Stubbs
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WALLACE
From: Raymond Wallace
Sent: 20 August, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wallace, Henrietta M. (I291165)
Proposed Change: Wallace, Henrietta M. (I291165)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I291165&tree=MP
Description: Born 27JUL1891 at Murrumburrah NSW, died 13MAY1935 at Sydney & buried at Randwick RC
married: Patrick Alexander Clarke (I291177) 22SEP1913 at St Andrews Presbyterian Manse, Dubbo NSW.
Patrick was born abt 1894 at Abbotsford, VIC and died 09FEB1937 at Waverley NSW, buried Randwick RC.
Sources: birth, marriage & death certificates
Raymond Wallace
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WALLACE
From: Raymond Wallace
Sent: 20 August, 2016 6:14 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wallace, Ann (I291162)
Proposed Change: Wallace, Ann (I291162)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I291162&tree=MP
Description: born 16AUG1878 at Bankstown NSW and died 19NOV1952 at Randwick NSW, buried at Eastern Suburbs RC
married: 07DEC1904 at St Brigid's RC, Dubbo NSW to John Robert Teague
John born 04AUG1878 at Kempsey NSW and died 29MAY1942 at Hillston NSW, buried at Hillston CofE
Sources: birth, marriage & death certificates
Raymond Wallace
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WALLACE
From: Raymond Wallace
Sent: 20 August, 2016 6:08 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wallace, Michael (I291160)
Proposed Change: Wallace, Michael (I291160)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I291160&tree=MP
Description: Born 28MAR1873 at Yarralumla. Died 20AUG1953 at Fairfield NSW & buried at Rookwood RC
Did not marry and was known as Thomas Michael Wallace.
sources: birth & death certificates
Raymond Wallace
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WALLACE
From: Raymond Wallace
Sent: 20 August, 2016 6:03 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wallace, Maurice (I291158)
Proposed Change: Wallace, Maurice (I291158)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I291158&tree=MP
Description: Born 14OCT1870 at Tuggeranong, died 11AUG1928 at Goodooga NSW & buried at Goodoga.
married 13JUN1907 at the CoE rectory, Narromine NSW to Mary McPhail.
Mary born abt 1883 at Dubbo NSW and died 24JUL1914 at Dubbo NSW & buried at Dubbo.
Mary died from burns received when her dress caught alight
Raymond Wallace
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WALLACE
From: Raymond Wallace
Sent: 20 August, 2016 5:57 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wallace, George (I291157)
Proposed Change: Wallace, George (I291157)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I291157&tree=MP
Description: Born 22APR1869 at Tuggeranong. Died 03FEB1919 at Stanmore NSW & buried at Rookwood RC.
Married: Catherine Jeanette Lynch at Dubbo RC Church 18JAN1899.
Catherine born 1873 at Ellerslie, VIC, died at Stanmore NSW 01AUG1942 & buried at Rookwood RC.
At the time of his death, George was the proprietor of the Mount Stewart Hotel, Leadville, NSW.
Sources: birth, marriage & death certificates
Raymond Wallace
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
WALLACE
From: Raymond Wallace
Sent: 20 August, 2016 1:10 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wallace, Richard (I291156)
Proposed Change: Wallace, Richard (I291156)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I291156&tree=MP
Description: Married (1) - Mary Josephine McNamara at Cootamundra 02JAN1893; Mary born 1871 at Jugiong NSW and died at Narromine NSW 22NOV1901, buried at Narromine.
Married (2) - Frances Margaret Taylor at St Teresa RC Church, Narromine 13JUL1902; Frances born 12JUN1880 at Vittoria, NSW and died at Narromine NSW, 15SEP1969, buried at Narromine.
Raymond Wallace
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
WALLACE
From: Raymond Wallace
Sent: 20 August, 2016 12:53 PM
Subject: Mary McDonald ( I6307 )
The Monaro Pioneer database correctly states that Mary McDonald (I6307) was the second wife of James McIntyre (I6406).
What the database does not show is that Mary had two (2) illegitimate daughters prior to her marriage to James McIntyre. Neither of the females is represented in the Monaro Pioneers Database.
At various stages of their lives, particularly marriage and death, the two females identified James McIntyre as their father. James may have been the father of the younger female, born while he was estranged from his first wife Amelia Alice Wallace/Gibbes/Flanagan, but not the elder.. Neither of the females was mentioned on the death certificate of James McIntyre.
The existence of the 2 females was first revealed to me in the death notice of their step brother, George H. McIntyre (1889-1952) which referred to them as surviving sisters.
The eldest daughter, Rebecca Kate (known as Ruby) did not marry. Ivy Roberta Mary McDonald was the first wife of Raphael Cyril Williams (I952) in the Monaro Pioneers Database. Their divorce was granted in 1922. Ivy Roberta Mary remarried and her 2nd husband was Charles Stanley Joyce.
The sources for the information are NSW Birth, Marriage & Death Index, Newspaper death notices, transcriptions of birth and marriage and death certificates and first hand information from the wife of Richard McIntyre who as the child Joyce Edlington, was cared for by Rebecca Kate, known as Ruby.
The information above is to provide context and to identify where the attached file fits.
I have attached a Legacy 8.0 file and a GEDCOM file for your convenience. Both have been stripped of events other than birth, marriage, death & burial. There are 10 individuals.
Thank you for the effort it must take to keep this database in good shape.
Raymond Wallace
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
AKERS
On 2016-08-18 22:08, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Akers, Bridget Ann (I59967)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I59967&tree=MP
Description: To-day's Police Court.
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 9th. BEFORE the P.M. and Mr. E. Ball.
DRUNKS.
One drunkard forfeited his bail; another was fined 5s or 24 hours in the look
up. The fine was paid.
THE SUSPECTED RAPE CASE
James Simpson, on remand, was charged on suspicion with committing a rape on the
person of Bridget Akars, at Bangalore, on the 3rd instant. Mr. Davidson for the
prosceution, Mr. Betts for the defence. Before the details of the case wore gone
into the P.M. ordered the court to he cleared.
Everyone was then compelled to go outside, with the exception of the court
officials, the solicitors, and the press representatives. Mr.- Davidson said he
would proceed with. the case as if it were a charge of attempted rape. On thle
application of Mr. Betts the prisoner's father was allowed to remain in court
during the hearing of the case.
Bridget Ann Akars deposed: I live with my father, Thomas Akars, who is a farmer
at Spring Valley; I shall be sixteen years of age on the 13th of next month; I
have lived at home nearly all my life; I do not know the prisoner before the
court by name; I have seen him before this at Mr. Nash's in Goulburn; I was at
service there about this time last year; I was in Goulburn on the 29th of August
last; I stayed a few days and then I went to the house of Mr. James Sykes (near
Mr. Faithfull's), who lives outside Goulburn; on Wednesday morning in last week
I left Mr. Sykes's place to go to my father's house, distant, through the bush,
about sixteen miles; I left the house a little before ten a.m.; on my way home I
came to the Black Gate, which was the last I had to pass through going home;
this is about eight miles from my home; the gate is in a hollow, surrounded by a
lot of bush; there is a big hill there also; when I got to the place I got of my
horse, opened the gate and went through; when I had shut the gate I went to get
on my horse off a stump; I then saw a man coming down the hill on my left hand
side; I do not think he was coming from the direction of my house; he was about
20 yards off when I first saw him; he had dark trousers and vest, and a light
coat on;. he wore a black felt hat ; his whiskers and moustache were black; I
would know the man again, unless he had false whiskers and moustache on; the man
in the dock is the same height and his nose is the same as the man I saw on the
day in question; when the man got near to me he jumped off his horse and asked
me how I was doing; I replied to him, and told him I was going home; he said to
me " You have got a load on," referring to the swag I had on my horse; I then
stooped down to pick up a stick with which I would have struck him if I could,
as I knew he was " up to no good;" ' while I was in the act of stooping, he
shoved me off the horse on to the ground. [The witness then described, amid
tears and sob's, the details of the offence he committed on her by the man.]
Several articles of under clothing were produced in court, and identified by the
witness; they were much torn, as a result of the struggle which took place
between her and the man. The details of the case are wholly unfit for
publication. The witness, resuming, said that the man took a purse,
containing 4s, from her also, and then went off through the gate, saying "she
should go b----- well where she liked;" when she got home she told her mother
all about what had happened; she also stated that the man she had seen at Nash's
Hotel some time ago had a beard, but' she could not say what the colour of the
hair was; she recognised the prisoner as being that man; the mean she saw at the
gate had a bushy beard and whiskers; the day after the occurrence took place the
witness went to Constables Torpey and Gail, and then all of them went to the
scene of the outrage; tracks were clearly seen there, and these were followed
up-to McClelland's. We afterwards saw the prisoner at John Ryan's, at Ryansville,
but I did not know the man: I heard Simpson speak, and I then knew it was the
voice of the man whom I had seen at the Black Gate; I cannot say it was the same
voice, though ; I saw a horse at Ryan's' which resembled the horse the man rode
on the day of the outrage; Simpson said it was his horse; I think the assault
took place between 11 and 12 o'clock in the day; (the girl then went outside the
court and identified the horse as being the animal the prisoner had with him at
tho Black Gate). To Mr. Betts: I had a good look at the man who assaulted me
at the Black Gate, but I could not see the colour of his hair or his eyes; I had
not recognised the man at all on the day of the outrage; I took notice of the
horse as the man was coming towards me; it was a dark chestnut; I was much
frightened, as I had not my senses when I got home ; I am more sure of the horse
than of the man before ; I will not swear that he is the man; I identify him in
every way, with the exception that he has no beard, and the man who assaulted me
had a full beard; I heard him speak while I was at Ryan's; I went there on
purpose to see if he was the man; I remained looking at Simpson for several
minutes, but I did not recognise him as being the man I had seen in Goulburn or
the person who had assaulted me at the gate; on the Friday after the occurrence
I was told by someone that Simpson must be the man who had assaulted me: the
police were talking to me about his being disguised. John Ryan (of Ryansville)
deposed: I know the prisoner, James Simpson; I saw him last Wednesday at my
place at about 8 o'clock in the morning; he went away between 9 and 10 o'clock;
I do not know what horse he rode; I believe the horse now outside the court to
belong to Simpson; the distance from my house to the Black Gate as three miles;
the road which leads from Sykes's place to Akars' house would take you within
two or three hundred yards of my place; I do not know that he ever had a false
beard in his possession; Simpson told me the Black Gate was open when ho came
through it on Wednesday on his way home to my place. John O'Mara deposed: I work
for Mr. Ryan and live at his place; I saw Simpson last Wednesday morning; he was
riding the chestnut horse which is outside the court; he arranged to break in
some horses, and then left about 9.30 a.m.; he went away in the direction of the
Black Gate; he has a sister living in that direction named Mrs. McClelland; she
lives about two miles away from our place; I next saw Simpson on the following
morning; we worked together all that day, but I did not notice anything about
the man in particular; I was there in the evening when the police came; Simpson
was talking about the Black Gate. The rest of his evidence was immaterial.
Mrs. Akars (mother of the girl) deposed: I am wife of Thomas Akars of Spring
Valley; [the witness then detailed the story of her daughter's living ,in
Goulburn and subsequently going out to Mr. Sykes's. | Resuming,she said: My
daughter came home on Wednesday, the 3rd instant, at about half-past two o'clock
in the afternoon ; she made a complaint to me and told me what had happened; she
was dreadfully excited when she came home; my husband subsequently gave
information to the police at Tarago; I did not examine my daughter at all; I
have since seen her clothes. At this stage of the proceedings, the court
adjourned until 2.15. Other evidence was adduced, and the prisoner was committed
to take his trial at the October Assizes. Bail was allowed, himself in 200 and
two sureties of 100 each. The witnesses were bound over.
Goulburn Evening Penny Post, page 2 Tuesday 9 Sept 1884
later article
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/101907094,
found not guilty
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
BOYTON
On 2016-08-18 22:03, Warwick wrote:
Proposed Change: Boyton, Susan Eliza (I259613)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I259613&tree=MP
Description: Death Notice
SASSE Susan Eliza - December 3 1950 at her residence, 1 Mossgiel Street Manly
wife of the late John Arthur Sasse and dearly beloved mother of Louie, Roy, May,
Joe, Gordon, Clarrie, Edie, Irene, Jean and Ken aged 70 years At rest
Page 16 SMH Mon 4 Dec 1950
SASSE-The Relatives and Friends of the late Mrs SUSAN E SASSE are kindly invited
to attend her Funeral to leave Our Private Chapel, 32 Sydney Road, Manly This
(Monday) Afternoon after a short Service commencing at 2 o clock for the
Crematorium Northern Suburbs
F TIGHE and CO A F D A, 12 Sidney Road Manly XU4529
Page 16 SMH Mon 4 Dec 1950
Warwick
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
CRACE
On 2016-08-17 08:05, Heather W wrote:
I wonder if you could give me any suggestions as to where I could find out some further information on the Crace family. I am trying to trace where they lived in the 1930s and potentially where some of the sisters were buried
In 1928 my grandmother Florence May Duell (age 25) set sail from England heading for Australia to work as a cook. She landed in Brisbane and according to her recipe book dated 1930 she was at Charnwood, Moss Vale, NSW then.
She worked for the Crace family and long after she left Australia she corresponded with Miss Crace - I have an envelope dated 1955 from Moss Vale. I have yet to go looking for more correspondence and photos in my Fathers house.
I believe the CRACE family she is talking about are the descendents of Edward Kendall Crace(1844-1892) who owned GInninderra, Gungahlin and Charnwood estates near what is now Canberra. He had 2 sons and 6 daughtesr (I thought but your website has seven)
.
Looking at their family tree,I first thought that my grandmother knew Bessie Crace born 1883 who appeared to be the only unmarried sister at that time. As I had not found a trace of her marrying - or of her death. Your website states she died in July 1955- and the envelope mentioned above was dated November 28th 1955. SO now I am thinking that it is likely to be another daughter Dorothy Alice L Crace who, from your records was born 1879, also never married and died in 1959 in Moss Vale!
Ethel Geraldine Crace also died in Moss Vale after 1955 but as she married George Cameron Perry Circuitt in 1900 I am assuming she wouldn't have been referred to as Miss Crace
In the recipe book she also makes mention of MANDEMAR, Gertrude Smith, Queen (or Quean) SUNDAY SUN, HERALD (another newspaper?, Ethel, Mrs Neills (Brisbane), Mrs Ptomain, Maisie, Mrs Barton's maid, and Mrs Patterson as well as Miss Crace for the source of her recipes. I dont know if the papers are australian or English or if MANDEMAR ws a homestead or a village
We are coming to visit friends in australia on 25th august so would appreciate any help you can give me in trying to find our more information on Charnwood, Mandemar, Dorothy and potentially Bessie and Ethel
Many thanks, Heather
Hello Heather,
The information posted on the site is all we have on the people you are researching.
As for Mandermar it is a small hamlet village in the Southern Highlands of New South Wales, Australia, in Wingecarribee Shire. The village is situated North-west of Mossvale (follow link)
Charnwood is now a suburb of Canberra. I have attached a document regarding E. Crace and Charnwood.
This link indicates the area the document is talking about.
Ginninderra is now also part of the Australian Capital Territory (ACT) and Crace is a suburb named after Edward Kendall Crace.
http://gungahlin.net/crace.html
Edward and family are buried at St. Johns Church in Reid (follow links below).
http://www.stjohnscanberra.org/st-johns-churchyard?lightbox=image_1m8k
Another good link on Edward.
A link on John Crace son of Edward.
http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/crace-sir-john-gregory-jack-9851
I hope this information can assist you in some way.
Hope you enjoy your time in Australia.
Regards, Michael
Dear Michael
Thank you so much for taking the time to reply to me. Your website in itself was very useful and thank you for the additional links
Kind regards, Heather
BARTLE/WYATT
On 2016-08-15 03:59, Rex Harry wrote:
Good even Ian
I have noticed that you have a record for the above.
They were my maternal great great grandparents.
I may be able to assist with additional data.
Ellen ( Bartle) Wyatt died 29 Sep 1872 at Great Portwood St, Btinnington , Cheshire UK.
I think Hannah recorded as born 1821 Glossop , may in fact be a niece of Ellen Bartle ( d/o James Bartle who died when she was very young.)
She may have been given the surname Wyatt and brought up by her aunt and uncle , Ellen and Joseph.
With regard to John Wyatt b1826 , I have doubt that he died 1884 Sowerby Bridge , Yorkshire. I cannot substantiate that.
I cannot find him on a Census beyond 1851.
I have the passenger list for "Sunda" arriving 1863 where he arrived Queensland together with his brother and sister in law.
John Wyatt
1864-65 Electoral District of Wide Bay, Adelaide St Maryborough, qualified by
'board and lodgings' .
1865-66 Electoral District of Maryborough, Maryborough, qualified by 'board and
lodgings' .
1866-67 Electoral District of Maryborough, Maryborough, qualified by 'board and
lodgings' .
John Wyatt qualified to be on those rolls because he would have qualified by
residence by paying at least 40 pound per year for board and lodging.
Dorothy Wyatt b1828 d1892 having married Charnock in 1867.
Cephas Wyatt b1831 d1935 and is buried at Glossop.
Charles Wyatt b1833. I cannot trace him beyond 1859 when he was mentioned in a newspaper article.
Mary Ann Wyatt b1836 married Abraham Kenworthy 1871 in Halifax Yorkshire. She died 1897 and is buried Todmorden Yorkshire.
Thomas Wyatt b1844 d1911 Bairnsdale Victoria ( not Tidale)
Perhaps I should liase with your contributor.
Rex Harry
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
On 2016-08-15 01:30, Phil Doyle wrote:
Guys, I'm clearing out my old skis. I've been collecting all my downhill skis
since the 1980s, 1990s and 2000s – about 10-12 pair. They are mostly old Volkls
and a few early Salomons, but rest assured they are the old "straights". Most of
them also have their original bindings.
I was wondering if any Snowies region Historical Society or Museum would like
them, or if anyone else in the Snowies region would have a use for them? I know
a lot of Snowies locals use the old skis to make gates, entrances, benches,
seats etc., and so I would like to find a home for them rather than throw them
in the tip.
Please let me know ASAP, as the skis must go in the next few weeks...AND I'm
coming to Jindabyne on Thursday and could bring them with me!
Please be aware that I have also offered the skis to other Snowies historical
groups/interests, so I guess it will be a case of "first in".
Thanks, Phil Doyle
Hi Phil,
I suggest you put your offer on our Facebook page.
Regards, Ian
MILLER
On 2016-08-13 18:29, Raymond Wallace wrote:
Proposed Change: Miller, Rupert Walter Eric (I67210)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I67210&tree=MP
Description: Rupert Walter Eric Miller ( I67210 ) died at Bega in 1962 (NSWBDM:
16916/1962 - son of HENRY & ELIZABETH)
The database correctly states he married Agnes M. J. Britt at Waverley in 1925.
Agnes Britt is Agnes M. Jess ( I108472) daughter of Timothy James Jess &
Elizabeth Bartley, and the widow of Philip Britt ( I108485 ).
Agnes Maud Miller, wife of Rupert, died at Waverley 02MAR1950 (NSWBDM: 3734/1950
- daughter of TIMOTHY & ELIZABETH) and her death was reported in the Sydney
Morning Herald 03MAR1950. Agnes is buried in the Eastern Suburbs (Botany)
Catholic Cemetery.
Philip Britt died 10AUG1921 (NSWBDM: 1354/1921 - son of HENRY & MARY A.). His
death was reported in the Sydney Morning Herald 13AUG1921, and he is buried at
Waverley Cemetery.
Raymond Wallace
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
BARKER
On 2016-08-13 07:14, Angela Cook wrote:
Proposed Change: Barker, Norman Lewis (I231852)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I231852&tree=MP
Description: Norman Lewis Barker (McLeod) B.20 March 1919
DIED 6 January 2013.
Norm (Barker) McLeod was my Grandfather. Please add the date of his death to the
data base. He's buried at the Lilydale Memorial Park, Lilydale, Victoria
alongside his wife Ruby Frances (Moyes) McLeod B. 20 March 1920 D. 19 August
2008
Thank you, Angela Cook
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
COUSLEY
On 2016-08-13 07:13, Sharon Hindmarsh wrote:
Proposed Change: Family: Cousley, Robert Woods / Grace Elizabeth R.
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F78796&tree=MP
Description: A few fixes for the Cousley family.
Excellent site many thanks
Sharon
Death Robert Woods Cousley
COUSLEY. On the 17th May, Robert Woods Cousley, aged 66, late of Flinders-lane
(Private funeral.)
1907 'Family Notices', The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957), 18 May, p. 13.
, viewed 04 Aug 2016,
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article10636101
Death Grace Elizabeth Rankin Cousley
Cousley.-On the 27th May, at her residence, "Airdrie," Margaret street,
Canterbury, Grace Elizabeth R., widow of the late R. W. Cousley. (Interred
privately.)
1920 'Family Notices', The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957), 28 May, p. 1.
, viewed 03 Aug 2016, <http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article1706146>
Birth of John Woods Coursley
Vic DBM [Surname wrong spelling]
CONSLEY Given namesJohn Woods EventBirth Father's name / Spouse's
family nameRobert Woods Mother's maiden name / Spouse's given nameGrace
Elizabeth Rankin (Taylor) Reg. year1873 Reg. no9816
Newspaper birth records
Cousley - On the 27th ult at Norna-villa, Upper Hawthorn, the wife of R W
Cousley of a son"
1873 'Family Notices', The Australasian (Melbourne, Vic. : 1864 - 1946), 3 May,
p. 27. , viewed 03 Aug 2016,
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article137579399
Birth of Children of William and Margaret Hindmarsh
Elizabeth Hindmarsh 1865 El Dorado Vic Death at sea 30 May 1870
on board SS Shropshire on journey to London
Mary Ann Hindmarsh 1866 El Dorado Vic Death at sea 14 June 1870 on
board SS Shropshire on journey to London
Sarah Hindmarsh DOB 18 Aug 1868 registered at El dorado Vic (I have the
birth certificate) 24th May 1962 (Wagga Cemetery records)
Thomas Hindmarsh 1870 West Rainton Durham England
Elizabeth Hindmarsh 1872 died 13 June 1872 aged 7 weeks Eldorado (I
have death certificate)
William Hindmarsh 1877 and died the same year at Adelong NSW
Charles Hindmarsh 1879 Grahamstown NSW died 1950 at Liverpool NSW
aged 77
William George Hindmarsh 1882 Grahamstown NSW died 1955 at Campsie
NSW aged 73
John Hindmarsh 1884 Grahamstown NSW died 1956 at Tumblong NSW aged 71
Matthew Hindmarsh 1887 Grahamstown & died 1887 NSW
Margaret Hindmarsh 1890 Grahamstown NSW died 1925 Temora NSW aged 34
Death of Elizabeth and Mary Ann refer to [1870, The "Somersetshire" sea pie : a
weekly newspaper, written on board the S.S. Somersetshire, on her voyage from
Melbourne to London, 28th April to 9th July, 1870 J. Tuck, London pp. 54 and 79,
viewed 20 May 2016
http://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-33707005 ]
John Woods Cousley is a Boer war veteran
Boer War Nominal Roll:
John Woods Cousley
Service Number: 1549
Rank: Trooper
Unit: 2nd New South Wales Mounted Rifles
Conflict / Operation: South Africa, 1899-1902 (Boer War)
Native place: New South Wales, Australia
Source: Murray page number 113
https://www.awm.gov.au/people/rolls/R1448608/
EAGER FOR ACTIVE SERVICE
Twelve men presented themselves at the rifle range yesterday morning to undergo
the shooting test, in order that they might secure the honor of being the
specially selected men to go from Wagga for service in South Africa. Lieutenant
Taylor and Staff Sergeant Harris were in charge of the men, and after some time
and trouble there, seven men passed. In the afternoon MessrsJ. J. M'Grath and W.
Hunter examined 11 candidates for the riding test. The men had to unsaddle their
horses and saddle them, canter and jump a hurdle about 3ft. 6ln high. Out of the
11 candidates nine were passed. A peculiar coincidence about the test was that
the six best shots were also the best riders and they were described as well
fitted to uphold the prestige of
Wagga. The following are the names of the successful candidates H G W.Angel, .J.
Hart, W. Fish, J. Cousley, P. O'Brlen, and F. F. Allen (Coolamon).
1901 'EAGER FOR ACTIVE SERVICE',Wagga Wagga Advertiser (NSW : 1875 - 1910), 29
January, p. 2. , viewed 03 Aug 2016,
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article101844970
Sharon Hindmarsh
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
WALLACE
On 2016-08-11 21:34, Raymond Wallace wrote:
Proposed Change: Wallace, Elizabeth Jane (I127847)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I127847&tree=MP
Description: Married William Henry MURPHY
NSWBDM: 10915/1921 - MURPHY, WILLIAM H. & WALLACE, ELIZABETH J. registered at
WOOLLAHRA
Died: 14MAR1966 late of Kogarah NSW
Source: SYDNEY MORNING HERALD: 15 March 1966
MURPHY, Elizabeth Jane, died 14 March 1966 at Hospital, of 166 Harrow Road,
Kogarah, beloved wife of the late William Murphy. Fond sister of Mary, Nora
[sic], Alexander, Richard, George, Michael & Leo. Sister in law of Pauline, Mary
& Gladys. Fond Aunt of their children. Age 84. At rest.
MURPHY, William Henry
died 25MAR1956 late of Kogarah.
Source: SYDNEY MORNING HERALD: 26 March 1956
MURPHY William Henry March 25, 1956 at his residence 166 Harrow Road, Kogarah,
dearly beloved husband of Elizabeth Jane Murphy, age 76.
Both were buried at Woronora Catholic Cemetery
Raymond Wallace
Thanks,
Regards, Ian
WALLACE
On 2016-08-11 21:15, Raymond Wallace wrote:
Proposed Change: Wallace, Henry (I127856)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I127856&tree=MP
Description: Source: Death Certificate
Died 06APR1960 at Box Hill & Dist. Hospital, Victoria, usual residence Kilsyth,
Victoria.
Buried: Spring Vale Cemetery, Victoria
Raymond Wallace
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
HAVARD
On 2016-08-10 04:45, Jane Weaver wrote:
Proposed Change: Family: Havard, George / McPherson, Johanna
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F15991&tree=MP
Description: Johanna Havard married to George Havard - her maiden name was
Johanna Ryan - not McPherson. They were married in Melbourne in May 1865. He was
24, she was 15. Her father was Michael Ryan (farmer) and mother Margaret Lanigan
? (hard to read)
(I'm the great grand-daughter of her sister in law Lydia (Harrison nee Havard)
The list of children is correct.
Thanks for changing this!
Jane Weaver
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
PAULINE/WILLIAMS
On 2016-08-10 03:24, Fiona wrote:
Hi Ian
Spurred on by comments in the newsletter, I thought I had better share what I know!
My grandfather Reginald Eric Allen Pauline married my grandmother Islet Linda Williams on the date you have shown. However I think you have linked the wrong Islet Williams, apparently a cousin to my Nan.
The two Islets shared the ancestors Robert Williams and Sarah Tindall. According to your database, Islet Liura (born 1882) was their granddaughter via first son Robert. Meanwhile, Islet Linda was a great-granddaughter via son Charles Henry and grandson Vassal Ross. Vassal married Maude Isabel Grant and they had 7 children, the 5th being Islet Linda, my grandmother. To the best of my knowledge, my grandfather only married once!
My Nan, Islet Linda Pauline (Williams) was born in 1925 and still lives in the Eden-Monaro district, so probably best not to include any other details!
Regards, Fiona
Thank you Fiona,
Would it be possible to get the names of your Nan's siblings please?
Regards, Ian
OUTTRIM
From: Tanya Kelly
Sent: 9 August, 2016 5:52 PM
Subject:
Dearest Ian
My Name Is Tanya Kelly, Sydney New South Wales.
I am seeking information, photo’s ect on
Outtrim, Jessie Ann
(1900-1934).
Jessie Ann Outtrim is my great great grandmother... she had a daughter in 1916 –
Mollie Outtrim ( later changing her name name before marriage to Mary Outtrim).
Mary/Molly Later married my grandfather James Edward Stewart...
without going to far into my tree i have contacted catholic care as my
grandmother was given up to the state, catholic care up until last year held her
records which only had one piece of paper in it .. that being her birth
certificate that i had already. I am looking to understand the years from my
grandmothers birth to the time that she was given up....
I have Molly/Marys birth certificate showing her mothers name Jessie an outtrim..
and am seeking any further help or available contacts
Many Thanks In Advance, Tanya Kelly
Hi Tanya,
The only information we have is what is available on our website. This email will be included in our next newsletter and perhaps one of our readers may be able to help you.
Regards, Ian
Many Thanks Ian .. i do have a family tree started with much information
http://trees.ancestry.com.au/tree/68110696/family
Appreciate your help and inclution into the newsletter...
could i be put on the newsletter subscription list please
Again Thank You in Advance, Tanya
Hi Tanya,
David will add you to our circulation list. I don't have access to Ancestry, any chance of a descendants report?
Regards, Ian
CHALKER
On 2016-08-09 11:55, MaBBie wrote:
Dear Ian
My name is Mary-Anne Burns and I am great granddaughter to CHALKER, Lillian Mary (Ref No. MP1505)
While researching the CHALKER family tree I noticed an entry on the Monaro Pioneers site which I believe to be incorrect.
Lillian was indeed married to SELMES, Matthew on 1st August 1942 (Certificate Regn no. 1942/020839), however, had not been married to GORDON, John C in 1908.
A Lillian May CHALKER married John Cameron GORDON (NSW marriage transcript Regn no. 1908/9798) on 21 Nov 1908. Lillian May was aged 29 years and her father is Daniel Edward CHALKER; her mother is Ann KELLY.
With kindest regards, Mary-Anne
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
DUNLEY/WILSON
On 2016-08-09 09:32, Katrina Willis wrote:
Hello
I’ve been researching my mother’s family. Her grandparents were Sydney Herbert
Dunley and Mary Elizabeth Wilson (F94222).
http://www.monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F94222&tree=MP
The website lists only one child born to Sydney and Mary but there were two
others:
Mavis, who married Arthur Bush; and
Gweneth Ruth (my mother’s mother), who was married twice:
Jack/John Austin Standing
William Alexander Long
I can provide you with a little more detail if you are interested.
Regards, Katrina Willis
Thank you Katrina,
Any additional information you can provide would be much appreciated.
Regards, Ian
HEPBURN/FORREST
On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 1:02 PM, <ian@monaropioneers.com> wrote:
On 2016-07-26 22:42, Jenny Corben wrote:
Hello Ian
My name is Jennifer Corben (nee Hepburn) and my husband and I live in the Blue Mountains at Winmalee.;NSW
The Monaro Pioneers site has been an invaluable source of information. My husband Alan and myself have been researching family tree for a number of years and had acquired much information however this site has been just brilliant.
Two years ago we travelled to the UK and visited areas where family came from.
Thankyou to all who have been involved with this enormous task.
I have a lot of information on the Hepburn/Forrest families.
I am from the Hepburn family my father was originally from Lower Bendoc and born at Delegate.
There is information on the early Hepburn pioneers and we would welcome the opportuntity to put all dates and information that we have to date.
My Dad Geoff hepburn has a plaque at Delegate Cemetery and I would assume this is where his information was gathered from including my mum's name on the site also. There is a correction on his site and also brothers and sisters not there.
Look forward to hearing from you so as to see how we can go about adding lots of information to our family.
With Regards, Jenny and Alan corben
Hi Jenny,
Thank you for the offer, yes we would be much appreciative of any additional or correctional information you can provide.
Please send your information to me and I will update our database.
Regards, Ian
Hi Ian,
Here's a first correction for your database.
John James Hepburn, PersonID I70231.
Under his children, you have listed a H A Hepburn. The full name for this person
is Henry Alexander Hepburn. (he was known as Alec). Alec is actually John James
Hepburn's brother. Alec was born 15 July 1912, at Bendoc, Victoria, with parents
Thomas Stark Hepburn & Agnes Helen Hepburn (nee LOCK). John James & Vera May
Hepburn had 7 children:-
Geoffrey John (who you have listed)
Gladys May (who you have listed)
Kenneth George b. 21 May 1932 Delegate NSW, d 21 May 2004 Delegate NSW
Peter Ross b 18 Apr 1936 d 10 May 2015 Eden, NSW
Ella Verna
James Maxwell
Jeanette Claire
As the last 3 children are still living, perhaps their details should not be published??
Regards, Jenny Corben
Thank you Jenny,
Regards, Ian
HAYDEN/MURRAY
On 2016-08-09 07:00, Michelle M wrote:
Hello Ian,
I was going over some of my husband’s family history and found Alice Myra Hayden on your web page.
Myra, as she is known in our family was married to my husband’s Great Uncle Matt (Matthew Gough Murray). Matthew was born on 23/4/1894 and died in 1961. I have the date of his death just not handy. I noticed you did not have Uncle Matts DOB and the date of his death.
Uncle Matt returned home to the family farm in Lima Victoria, after his wife Myra died in childbirth. We believe the child was a boy but have no way of confirming this.
I can send you the date of Matt's death if you would like.
Regards, Michelle Murray
Thank you, that would be very helpful.
Regards, Ian
PAYNE
From: jim walford
Sent: 8 August, 2016 1:44 PM
Subject: Monaro News Letter Reference Payne Family From Chris Clatworthy
Hi Ian
just read the latest news letter and read with interest the letter from Chris he states that Philip Casper Eric Payne is unknown as Eric Casper Payne but his reference to marriage shows it as Eric Casper and the Australian Electoral Rolls 1903 – 1980 also record his name as Eric Casper Payne.
regards
jim Walford
Ps he and Elsie brown where married 6 Dec 1931 and registered in 1932
Thank Jim,
Regards, Ian
EVANS
From: Julie Evans
Sent: 7 August, 2016 8:09 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Family: Evans, Alexander Harold / Surplice, Myra Lilian Ford
Proposed Change: Family: Evans, Alexander Harold / Surplice, Myra Lilian Ford
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/familygroup.php?familyID=F36769&tree=MP
Description: Percy Evans not the son of Alexander Harold and Myra Lilian Ford, they had three sons Arthur Henry Evans 1919-2000, Leonard Harold Frederick Evans 1924-2003 and Francis Stanley Evans 1927-1976.
Julie Evans
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
TRY
On 2016-08-06 06:48, Estelle Owen wrote:
Proposed Change: Try, Eveline May (I57788)
Tree: Eden Monaro Pioneers
Link:
http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I57788&tree=MP
Description: This is my Nanna through my father. I have been told that her name
was spelt differently on her birth certificate, marriage certificate and death
certificate but as far as I am aware it was mainly spelt Evelyn. She preferred
'May'.
Estelle Owen
Thank you,
Regards, Ian
