St Matthews Church Parish Centre, Windsor, NSW

ASSISTANCE REQUIRED:

BADGERY/BUTCHART/GILES

From: fredjcorten
Sent: Tuesday, 23 May 2017 5:40 PM
Subject: old 1800s photo album

Hi Ian, I have an old 1800s found photo album of the Badgery Butchart Giles family of NSW just wanting to know of any living descendants so I can arrange a return of it thank you Fred Corten Ph 0452441958 

Hi Fred,

We can put your request in our next newsletter to see if that attracts any interest.

Regards, Ian

CURRENT CORRESPONDENCE:

BOURK

From: Margaret McElroy Price
Sent: Saturday, 3 June 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Bourk, Leslie J. (I144725)

Proposed Change: Bourk, Leslie J. (I144725)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I144725&tree=MP

Description: Leslie James Bourk is my maternal grandfather. He was born on 2 February 1896 in Sydney NSW. He died in Sydney on 30 December 1941. He was buried at Waverley Cemetery NSW on 31 December 1941. He married my maternal grandmother Cora Clarice Bourk in Petersham on 31 December 1921.

BC 1896/522

MC 1922/1386

DC 1941/22571

Margaret McElroy Price

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

WALL

From: Margaret McElroy Price
Sent: Saturday, 3 June 2017 2:26 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wall, Cora C. (I144722)

Proposed Change: Wall, Cora C. (I144722)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I144722&tree=MP

Description: Cora Clarice Wall is my maternal grandmother. She was born 4/10/1896 in Cathcart NSW. She died on 8 June 1995 in Petersham. She was buried on 13 June 1995 in the Catholic Section of Rookwood Cemetery NSW. She married my maternal grandfather Leslie James Bourk in Petersham on 21 December 1921.

Margaret McElroy Price

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

WALL

From: Margaret McElroy Price
Sent: Saturday, 3 June 2017 2:15 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wall, Patrick James (I139088)

Proposed Change: Wall, Patrick James (I139088)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I139088&tree=MP

Description: Patrick Wall was my maternal grandfather and his correct name is Patrick Joseph Cecil Wall. He died 6 August 1905 in Quaama NSW due to complications from Brights Disease. He was buried 7 August 1905 in the Catholic Section of the Quaama Cemetery NSW.  DC 1905/8143

Margaret McElroy Price

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

WILSON

From: Beverly Rogers
Sent: Friday, 2 June 2017 9:31 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Wilson, John (I377397)

Proposed Change: Wilson, John (I377397)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I377397&tree=MP

Description: John and Mary ( Higgins ) had another son whom I believe was also born at Monaro Michael Volume Number:V18471841 32A  he was born in 1847 and died in Sale June 1928

Beverly Rogers

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

MACKAY

From: Marcus Mackay
Sent: Sunday, 28 May 2017 8:42 PM
Subject: Duncan Mackay Family

Hi Ian,

I am related to Duncan Mackay who may appear as three separate persons on your web site (5218, 147,663 and 303593). In relation to the first,  a George Mackay (son) was born in Eddrachellis in May 1831. In relation to the second Mary Hughina (daughter) was born in Eddrachellis in 1833 17 May and went on to marry a Chopin. The third has Barbara, Donald Hugh and Duncan.
Barbara is recorded as born in 1838 which is likely correct but not in Australia as the ship they came on (The James Moran) arrived Sydney Feb 1839 in the following year.

Evidence of them being the same family is in the James Moran's passenger list (attached -family no 9 first page.). I am fairly confident about this but don't rule out the possibility that George came from another Duncan.

You may or may not have a record of the other family members (Johanna, Fairlee, Colina and Margaret) who were in the same family. I have not find any yet.

The web site is impressive and I am very grateful to all the people who must have put time into it.

Regards,  Marcus

Thank you for letting us know,

Regards, Ian

MORRIS

From: sandra
Sent: Friday, 26 May 2017 8:54 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Morris, Elizabeth (I68414)

Proposed Change: Morris, Elizabeth (I68414)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I68414&tree=MP

Description: elizabeth was born 1809 at pembrokeshire

sandra

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

TIVEY

From: sandra
Sent: Friday, 26 May 2017 7:54 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Tivey, Edward (I1867)

Proposed Change: Tivey, Edward (I1867)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I1867&tree=MP

Description: edward was born 1782 Melbourne Derbyshire England  and died 1850 in Derbyshire England 

sandra

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

 FOX/HOLMES

From: Deb Kampowski
Sent: Monday, 22 May 2017 1:32 PM
Subject: John Fox/Holmes

Hi Ian,

     I have been researching the man I believe is my 3 x great grandfather John Holmes, he was born John Fox in Goulburn in 1847, and on the Monaro pioneers it has that this John Fox died in 1847, I believe this to be incorrect and that he at some point moved to the Bombala region where he and his brother were adopted by John Holmes, there is a birth record for a John Fox, but it has the mother as Ann and the father as George, the father is correct but mother isn't, I know mistakes can happen on birth certificates etc as I have done that with my son and one of his sisters names on his birth certificate.

     From doing my research there seems to be quiet a few people with the same opinion,

   Thanks for a great website

    Deb

Thank you Deb,

Can you provide any details on John Holme’s family and descendants?

Regards, Ian

Hi Ian, I have attached what my cousin olivia peters has on the Monaro pioneers website, Mary Anne Murphy also married a Thomas Triggell, my line of the Holmes /Fox/Clarke comes through Mary Ann Clarke and John Holmes daughter Essie Rebecca Holmes, my Aunty Lynne has put a correction up saying it's not them due to having sited Essies birth certificate which states john was born at sea, Olivia has 7 of the children's birth certificates and we have been through them and Mary Ann states that John was born at sea on 3 of them, John has put on a few if them that he was born in Sydney and N.S.W, another one Mary Ann states he was born at Maharatta down near Bombala, im of the thinking John would know where he was born.

 Thanks for your time

    Deb

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

 ANDERSON

From: Jo Tyndall
Sent: Friday, 19 May 2017 3:48 PM
Subject: Anderson Family tree

Hi Ian,

I have recently opened an account with Monaro Pioneers & have been very successful in finding information on my mothers relations from the Braidwood area. 

What I want to know is can I add members of the family to the family tree info?

I found my grandfather & grandmother, pop's info is there but there is no death date for nanna who is of course deceased & so is my mother.

His name is William Frederick Anderson, 1887-1937. His wife is Lillie May but there is no info on her. Can I provide that info? 

I am so pleased I found this info as I only recently found out that pop's name is on the Cenotaph in Braidwood. I was in Canberra last week & drove to Braidwood to see it. Then I went to the library in Braidwood & followed the info they gave me which led me to you.

I have recently moved back to NSW after living in WA for 38 years & I'm taking a keen interest in mum's family.

Is it the case that only deceased people can be added?

You can contact on this email address & I look forward to your reply.

Regards Jo Tyndall

Hi Jo,

We are delighted you have found our website useful.  We would also appreciate any additional information you can provide, just send the update information you want to add to me I will update our database.  We do add the information on living people to our database to assist future researchers but our system will on display surname and initials while they are still living for privacy purposes.

Regards, Ian

Thank you, I will do that.

CALDWELL/ALLEN/MURDOCH

From: Greg Long
Sent: Friday, 19 May 2017 11:46 AM
Subject: Comments (Home)

Comments (Home): Hi at Monaro Pioneers.

Wondering if these pics could be added to Monaro Pioneers names?

Bombala Cemetery photos

- Franklin Lyle/Olive (nee Murdoch) (my grandparents via Fay Jeanette)

- Allen/Mina Caldwell. (I have sneaking suspicion that Caldwells 'might' be related to Allens or to Murdochs)

Regards,  Greg Long. Canberra.

Thank you Greg,

Mina Alison Caldwell nee Murdoch is indeed related to the Allen’s and Murdoch’s.

Regards, Ian

Cheers Ian, thanks.

The next big question, which may have been solved, is who Elizabeth Murdoch married (prior to Andrew Gilbert) to bear William Murdoch my Grandmother Olive’s dad (he of the bullock shoeing fame). There’s some historic sensitivity to this since William was born out of wedlock (so the story goes).   Perhaps members of my family know the answer or the answer probably lies in Manning River district/Taree news of around that time – 1870’s.

This is intriguing since, as kids we (my kin) were introduced to various very close Bombala district ‘friends’ of my grand-parents Frank and Olive; Mina/Allen Caldwell are an example. It seemed odd how over the years these ‘friends’ often embraced us like long lost waifs. It’s mostly since the death of Olive that the truth of those relationships has emerged, too late, sadly to have built upon them – must have been difficult for them to know and not to tell.

All the best

Hi Greg,

Sorry, we have no information that will assist you on Elizabeth Murdoch although the NSW BDM entry for William’s birth shows his Mother’s name was Elizabeth Martha.

Regards, Ian

WILLIS

From: julie roberts
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 4:04 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Willis, Edwin (I210115)

Proposed Change: Willis,  Edwin (I210115)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I210115&tree=MP

Description: Edwin Willis was born in Marston Magna Somerset England.

julie roberts

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

FALLEN

From: Julie Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, 17 May 2017 3:56 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Mary (I227406)

Proposed Change: Mary (I227406)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I227406&tree=MP

Description: Mary FALLEN.

born near Dublin Ireland.

All her children born near Braidwood not Birmingham.

Julie Roberts

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

LLOYD

From: Chris Thomson
Sent: Saturday, 13 May 2017 6:50 PM
Subject: ? ancestor search

I am make enquiries about a William George Lloyd 1830-1891 on your pioneers list. His spouse was Mary Ann (nee Meade) Lloyd 1834-1876. Children Walter 1857; Rose 1874; Alexander 1871; James 1869; George 1864; Henry 1865 or 1869; Jane 1868; Ernest 1861; William 1860; Charles 1858 and 1 unnamed child 1863-1863.

If William and Mary match then they are my 3 x Grandparents. Walter being 2 x Grandparent and his daughter, Zelma being my Grandmother.

Thanking you for any assistance

Christine A Thomson

Hi Christine,

It would appear you are correct and your 2xggrandfather was Walter John Lloyd, son of William George and Mary nee Meade.  However, I would recommend you obtain transcriptions of Walter John’s marriage to Fanny Elizabeth Clarke (1887 Hay. NSW) and his death (22/4/1920 Arncliffe) to verify the connection.

Regards, Ian

LONG

From: Kevin
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 9:04 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Long, Mary Anne (I203510)

Proposed Change: Long,  Mary Anne (I203510)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I203510&tree=MP

Description: Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW: 1881-1940), Thursday August 21, 1913, page 3

DIED.

At her residence, Clifford-street, Mary Ann O'Donnell, relict of lie late Martin O'Donnell aged 82 years, R.I.P."

Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW: 1881-1940), Thursday August 21, 1913, page 2

OBITUARY.

An old resident of the city. Mrs. Mary Ann O'Donnell, relict of the late Mr. Martin O'Donnell, died at her late residence, Clifford-street, on Wednesday at the age of 82.  Mrs. O'Donnell had been ill for a long time, and dropsy had manifested itself.  Her residence in Goulburn covered a period of over seventy years, and she had a wide circle of friends.  Five sons and four daughters survive her.  The sons are John (mail contractor, Goulburn), William (per. way department, Bungendore), Martin (Surry Hills, Sydney), James (bookmaker, Goulburn), and Frederick (railway department, Eveleigh).  The daughters are Mrs. Abbott (Goulburn), Mrs. P. Sparrow (Goulburn), Mrs. J. Ryan (Sydney), and one unmarried.

Kevin

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

O’DONNELL

From: Kevin
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 9:00 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: O'Donnell, Margaret Mary (I203508)

Proposed Change: O'Donnell,  Margaret Mary (I203508)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I203508&tree=MP

Description: Goulburn Evening Penny Post (NSW: 1881-1940), Saturday November 29, 1924, page 4

MRS PATRICK SPARROW.

Mrs. Sparrow, wife of Mr. Patrick Sparrow and daughter of the late Mr. Martin O'Donnell, died at her residence, Opal-street, on Thursday evening after a long and painful Illness.  She leaves a husband and five daughters, one of whom is Mrs. A. Levi, of Kinghorne-street.  The eldest daughter is in a convent in Tasmania.  Mrs. Sparrow's brother, Mr. James O'Donnell, for many years kept a boot-shop in Auburn-street.

Kevin

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

SLAVIN

From: Meg
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 5:36 PM
Subject: Response to query re Slavin family

Hi Ian

Judith wrote to you about the Campbell/Walsh family, mentioning a link to Elizabeth Slaven.

I'm connected to the other Slavin's, Michael and Margaret's family. My Aunt contributed the information on this family to MP. I'm probably the family member currently most involved with family history. I would be happy for you to forward my email to Judith.

I am not aware of Elizabeth, and her dates don't quite fit for her to be Michael's daughter or sister, but I am happy to compare notes

Regards,  Mary

Hi Judith,

Here is contact for you as a result of your recent query in our newsletter.

Regards, Ian

PHILLIPS

From: leah burke
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 1:38 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Phillips, Peter (I85179)

Proposed Change: Phillips,  Peter (I85179)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I85179&tree=MP

Description: Death of Peter Phillips 11th March 1871 from certified copy death certificate 3330

leah burke

Thank you Leah,

Ditto my previous email regarding a copy of the death certificate.

Regards, Ian

BEILEITER

From: Gregory McInnes
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 2:52 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Beileiter, Susan Constance (I50292)

Proposed Change: Beileiter,  Susan Constance (I50292)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I50292&tree=MP

Description: The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW) Monday, February 9, 1970 Page 24

ROBINSON, Susan Constance.— February 8, 1970, at a private hospital, and late of Byron Street, Coogee, widow of the late Francis Edward Robinson and dearly loved mother of Eileen, Thomas, Francis, Marjorie, Dorothy, Kathleen and June and loved grandmother of their families.

In her 78th year.

Requiescat in pace.

Gregory McInnes

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

McTAVISH

From: Leah Burke
Sent: Thursday, 11 May 2017 1:31 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: McTavish, Mary (I85180)

Proposed Change: McTavish,  Mary (I85180)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I85180&tree=MP

Description: Death of Mary Phillips nee Mctavish is 20th May 1889 at Cooma..age 55 years. death certificate No. 11311.

I have a copy of the Death Certificate.

Leah Burke

Thank you Leah,

We could add an image of the death certificate to Mary’s record if you would like to provide a copy.

Regards, Ian

HUNTER

From: Maxwell Pearce
Sent: Monday, 8 May 2017 1:53 PM
Subject: Hunter family

Hi Ian,

I trust you are well.

I’m sure I found the info before on your site regarding the Hunter family of Wapengo, however it is not there now!

I’m interested is seeing the family tree of Charlotte Hunter .. married name Dorl

If I remember correctly her father was John Hunter?

There is also a mystery with this family Alice Hunter .. Married Gorge Pearce .. was supposes to be a sister of Charlotte , however there was no linkage on the previous info I saw.

Would you have any further information on my enquiry?

Regards,  Max

Hi Max,

Please check again, I think you will find all the information is there now.

Regards, Ian

Many thanks Ian,  I found the Hunter info.

I would like to see the Pearce family listed in Monaro Pioneers .

My line is Joseph Pearce married Maria Wilson .. lived in a stone house on  the site where the Norfolk Pine Motel is now .. his land went down to Merimbula lake.

There is a very good story told by Maria about living in Merimbula .. in Trove Sydney news  paper    ..

Could this happen?

Regards,  Max

Hi Max,

Joseph Pearce has been added to our Pioneer Index.  The information we have on his descendants is lacking in detail and any additional information you could provide would be much appreciated.

Regards, Ian

PLUMB

From: Brad Hock
Sent: Sunday, 7 May 2017 9:37 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Plumb, William Henry (I39788)

Proposed Change: Plumb,  William Henry (I39788)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I39788&tree=MP

Description: A thorough trawl of the NSW register of births has been unable to identify a birth record  for Emily Harriett PLUMB and Keziah PLUMB.  I'm aware that not all records exist but the Plumbs did appear to religiously register the remainder of their children, hence I'm having trouble accepting Harriet; but she may still exist.  Considering the recording of the christian names was written down as to how the person believed the name was spelt, I now believe Cassire and Keziah are the same person.  Are you able to shed any light one these two issues please.  As there are mistakes pertaining to the dates of birth for the Plumb siblings in the Monaro Pioneers database, I've now identified the actual dates of birth and dates of death for the Plumbs, and can provide if required. Thanks and regards

Brad Hock

Hi Brad,

Thanks for information, I have merged the two individuals Keziah and Cassire in our records.  I am unable to comment on Emily Harriett though as we have no documentary evidence to draw upon.  The information we have is as supplied to us and I would suggest obtaining a transcription of her marriage or death might decide the issue.  Perhaps she was “adopted” which was quite common at that time.  We would also appreciate any additional or corrective information you can provide.

Regards, Ian

NAUGHTON

From: Danny Naughton
Sent: Friday, 5 May 2017 12:17 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Naughton, Theresa Mary (I219453)

Proposed Change: Naughton,  Theresa Mary (I219453)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I219453&tree=MP

Description: According to my copy of her marriage certificate, Theresa was married on the 1st May 1957 at St Peter and Paul Cathedral, Goulburn, NSW. Cheers.

Danny Naughton

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

NAUGHTON

From: Danny Naughton
Sent: Friday, 5 May 2017 12:11 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Naughton, Alan Joseph (I219450)

Proposed Change: Naughton,  Alan Joseph (I219450)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I219450&tree=MP

Description: According to my copy of his birth certificate, Alan Joseph Naughton was born at Araluen on the 26th December 1905. Cheers.

Danny Naughton

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

NAUGHTON

From: Danny Naughton
Sent: Friday, 5 May 2017 12:15 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Naughton, Kevin (I219455)

Proposed Change: Naughton,  Kevin (I219455)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I219455&tree=MP

Description: Two changes:

1. Kevin's middle name was James

2. According to my copy of his birth certificate, he was born on the 19th June 1913 at a private hospital 95 Henrietta Street, Waverley, NSW.

Cheers.

Danny Naughton

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

NAUGHTON

From: Danny Naughton
Sent: Friday, 5 May 2017 12:09 PM
Subject: Proposed Change: Naughton, Veronica Mary Ethel (I219451)

Proposed Change: Naughton,  Veronica Mary Ethel (I219451)

Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers

Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I219451&tree=MP

Description: According to my copy of her birth certificate, Veronica Mary Ethel Naughton was born at Araluen on the 19th December 1906. Cheers.

Danny Naughton

Thank you,

Regards, Ian

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