Monaro Pioneers Newsletter
2019 Number 10
WORLAND
On 2019-11-02 18:11, Helen Bion wrote:
Proposed Change: Worland, Joseph Hostler (I56482)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php? personID=I56482&tree=MP
Description: Joseph Worland was baptised 21 Sep 1823 at St Andrew the Great, Cambridge. He can be found in the 1841 Census as the eldest child of 6 children. His younger brother - William Worland migrates to Australia with his family in 1852. William's wife dies shortly after arrival and he re-marries in Sydney in Jan 1854. Some time after this date he moves to the Monaro District with his new wife Julia Robinson and her son Frederick John Robinson. William Worland dies in an accident in Aug 1863.
Helen Bion
STEVENSON/ALLEN
On 2019-11-01 15:44, Peter & Nicki Jennings wrote:
Dear Ian,
I would like to submit four historic photos for the collection and a couple of corrections.
Firstly my grandparents:
Horace Leland Stevenson 1905-1987 and his first wife Eunice Catherine Stevenson (nee Elton) 1909-1973.
The Elton family listing has Eunice is listed as Catherine Eunice – I have my mother’s birth certificate in which she is named as Eunice Catherine nee Elton, similarly on my parents’ Certificate of Marriage.
I also note the following, that Horace “ was buried in Delegate Cemetery, New South Wales”. He was cremated in Canberra and his ashes were interred on his property “Lords Hill” near Bombala NSW. Despite a change of ownership, family members are welcome to visit his memorial.
They had a second child, Carole Elizabeth Stevenson who was born 18 June 1944 in Bombala and died 10 December 2018 in Brisbane
And secondly my great grandparents:
Samuel John Allen 1863-1936 and his wife Elizabeth Allen (nee Wilson) 1863-1944
Kind regards, Peter Jennings
On 2019-10-27 13:50, shelley cahill wrote:
Hi IanElizabeth Mary Hickey (Person ID: I52309) or Ref No. MP52309 died not long after the birth of her son John Joseph Cahill, she died on the 23rd June 1888.I cannot find any reference to the childs birth just that he was born in 1888 in Braidwood, can you suggest how I can find his birth or baptism record pleaseShelley cahill
On 2019-10-25 08:33, Sharon Napier McAlary wrote:
Hi IanPlease see attached the birth certificate for Robert Stewart and the Marriage Certificate of Charles Smith and Mary Williams. Also some conversations on Ancestry some years ago about the Stewart/Williams - still not has shown much light on things - I have tried to contact these people but nothing has come back. The folklore is that Mary was a convict and she smoked a clay pipe. It is not on Robert's birth certificate that his father was a prisoner and that Robert Jnr lived in the factory. Therefore I am assuming mary was at the Female Factory and had Robert there. I have a friend who has some working connection about the factory so I will pass this information on to her and see if she comes up with anything. I will do some more digging myself.Regards, Sharon
Hi IanI have applied for the birth certificate of Robert Stewart - parents Robert and Mary, so I will see what that throws up at me, the certificate is unavailable so that means no one has requested it. Not many things adding up.I am concentrating on the Morrisey Family - if I can ever get the spelling correct and the Bennet Family - Catherine Bennet or Bennett married Patrick Morrisey.I will forward the certificate on when received.Regards, SharonHi Sharon,
Thank you for the certificates, they created more questions than answers.
Do you have any clarifying information on Mary (Ann) Williams? From the DC of Charles her birth surname appears to be McGarthlin and her mother is shown as McGarthlin on her DC which also shows she was "married" to a Robert Stewart in about 1834 (Can't find any marriage record) and had a son Robert who is in our DB and and properly linked now.
This new information brings into question the Marriage details of Charles Smith and Mary Williams in 1844. If correct, where did the surname Williams come from? Given Charles and Mary's first child was born in Jan 1844 and the "marriage" was 15th Feb 1844 I am now very suspicious of the marriage details we have.
Regards, Ian
On 2019-10-13 17:57, Sharon Napier McAlary wrote:
Hi IanI am getting my papers slowly organised. I have been studying with University of Tasmania Family History and it has kept me busy for a time. Please find attached the death certificates of Charles Smith and Mary Smith - marriage certificate on order. Please let me know if this is the information you are looking for? I will send more when it comes to hand. Also I have a photo of Annie Jamieson nee Smith I will obtain from my mother.RegardsSharon
Sharon McAlaryPO Box 9Glenbrook NSW 27730403 027 632
Hi Sharon,
Thank you for the offer, please send the information and images you wish to add to me and I will update the database.
Regards, Ian
On 2019-07-12 08:27, Sharon Napier McAlary wrote:
Hi IanI have some information on the family of Charles and Mary Smith, I am the great grand daughter of Annie Evelyn Smith.Let me know how I can help.RegardsSharonSharon McAlaryPO Box 9Glenbrook NSW 27730403 027 632
On 2019-10-21 16:09, Greg Fraser wrote:
Proposed Change: Sweetman, Richard (I37906)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php? personID=I37906&tree=MP
Description: I do not have any suggested changes. However, I am a descendant of Richard Sweetman and would be interested in connecting with anybody who has supplied information for this entry to share information with them. Someone has added quite a lot of information since i last viewed this site several years ago. I can be contacted by email as above or mobile on 0407 432 493.
Greg Fraser
On 2019-10-21 16:01, Greg Fraser wrote:
Proposed Change: McLaughlin, Ernest (I7866)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php? personID=I7866&tree=MP
Description: I do not think this Ernest McLaughlin had war service in WWI. i have looked at the war service records of 2 Ernest McLaughlins and neither fit the profile of this Ernest McLaughlin. They are short and he was a fairly tall man. Also, I do not think their next of kins were related to this Ernest McLaughlin. Very happy to discuss.
Greg Fraser
On
2019-10-20 09:34, omiller@iinet.net.au
Hi Ossie,Hi Ian,
I am hoping you may be able to assist me. I am trying to obtain a copy of Betty Raffaele’s book, “A Wee Lass and her Laddie”. I had an old email address for Betty and sent the email below however, this was returned as undeliverable.
It has been many years since I have seen Betty. Would you be able to assist me with current contact details or do you know where I may be able to obtain a copy of the book.
Regards, Ossie Miller (a McGufficke descendant!)
Hi Betty,
I hope all is well with you. My name is Ossie Miller - James Oswald Miller and I am the son of the late Marjorie Mary Miller nee McGufficke from Inverell. I met you many years ago at the McGufficke reunion at Jindabyne.
After the reunion, I purchased a copy of your book, “A Wee Lass and her Laddie”. Unfortunately, I loaned it to my sister who has subsequently lost the book. Is it possible to obtain another copy? And on a slight tangent, our son Patrick and his wife Mel produced our first grandchild - Jack Oswald Miller. Jack was born in Wollongong hospital at 1700 yesterday, 18 October 2019. Both mum and babe are doing well.
Kind regards, Ossie Miller (James Oswald Miller)
On 2019-10-18 20:24, Michael wrote:
Proposed Change: McDonald, Unnamed (I342384)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php? personID=I342384&tree=MP
Description: Hi Ian,
I believe this to be twins, I found a Find A Grave memorial (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/195971740/twin- infants-mcdonald).
I believe them to be MCDONALD KATHLEEN PATRICIA 29659/1950 & MCDONALD ROSLYN JEAN 29660/1950 as they have consecutive death numbers and their parents are Walter and Mabel.
Regards, Michael
On 2019-10-16 21:44, Michael wrote:
Proposed Change: Hines, David Wallace (I126472)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php? personID=I126472&tree=MP
Description: Hi Ian,
I believe David was married to Phyllis McDonald (MP54019) in Marrickville in 1927 (BDM: 1974/1932).
Regards, Michael
On 2019-10-14 16:00, Robin Droogleever wrote:
Hello Ian,I have been advised by a contact on Ancestry (her first name is Robyn) to get in touch with you regarding the above who I understand later changed his name to Seymour which might explain why I can find nothing on his marriage or death. If you have information on this chap I would be most grateful if I could get confirmation of what I have written and what I suspect.I am writing the regimental history of the 1st NSWMR in the Boer war and as part of the exercise I intend providing a small biography on every man who served, hence this interest in Eager. I am not related to him, merely a crazy researcher who has 666 of these fellows to provide a biography for!If you had a photo of him at any stage in his life whether as John Eager or John Seymour that you would be prepared to copy for me I would be most grateful.Yours sincerely, Rob DroogleeverEager, John Francis (180) Private, B Squadron. Left Sydney per s.s Southern Cross, 17/1/1900 and disembarked Capetown, 19/2/1900. Invalided enteric fever. Left Capetown per s.s. Damascus, 2/8/1900. Arrived Sydney, Australia 30/8/1900. Discharged 18/9/1900. Awarded QSA and 2 clasps: Drie/CC. Possible: Born Bombala, NSW, 9/9/1866. Parents: James John Eager and Sarah Victoria Seymour (d.1876) who had 7 sons and 1 daughter (1865-76). Looks likely. No record of his death or marriage in NSW. Did he RTA after Boer War? Believed that he went to Papua New Guinea and died there in August 1942.
On 2019-10-11 12:13, shelley cahill wrote:
Hi IanA large portion of my family tree is from around your areaMcDonaldTindallPalmerCorriganCahillBruntonHickeyAs I said a lot. I have been able to fill in some of the gaps but one I have not been able to find is when my Grandmother Florence Christina McDonald (Flora) born 15.7.1886 (Daughter of Hugh McDonald & Sarah Tindall) she left NSW to come north to Cairns QLD. (to join her husband Patrick Bede Cahill)She had my father about a month after she arrived here, 17.3.1918. I cannot find any shipping records at all on any site I have tried so far.Her brother Daniel Alexander McDonald (grandson of Dugald) came north a few years earlier and I cannot find any shipping record for him either.Can you give me any advice on this?Shelley Cahill
On 2019-10-09 12:25, Therese JOHANSON wrote:
Proposed Change: McTernan, Lila Ellen (I109625)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php? personID=I109625&tree=MP
Description: My g/aunty Lil McTernan, in her last years scribbled a family memoir of her immediate and extended family to retain their story. I suggest that this instalment of her growing up on the land, just out from Michelago, would fit in with Kellie's recent call out for family stories:-
August 1974: / Reminiscences of Lila McTernan aged 84 years; / Daughter of William McTERNAN (Mount Allen).
... We were all born at Keewong, without a Dr or Nurse, but dear old Mrs John Kelly [Bridget nee McNAMARA 1854-1934] who lived half a mile away was always on hand when anyone was ill...
We had a very happy life at Keewong in our childhood days and roamed the Hills & creeks and climbed trees etc and never had a boring moment. We had no expensive toys and gadgets to entertain us but invented our own playthings and games. We had a swing in a large apple tree close to the house. We had an orchard and grew our own vegetables. We had two tanks to supply water. And when that was exhausted, we had to carry it from the creek.
After the floods & wet weather in the ninetys' [sic] we were struck with a very severe drought which lasted for three years. All the water dams and creeks dried up, and the paddocks were strewn with the bones of the poor sheep and cattle, even the birds were dying. Cassidys [sic] Creek was dry. The first time it could be remembered to completely dry out.
We had one tank for household supply, but with thirteen people could not exist on that although we only used it for drinking. However, the good Lord must have had pity on us, and it was rather strange but during the dry times a little spring would break out in some part of the creek and run early in the morning. The boys while digging holes in the sand discovered one quite close to the house. They dug a little hole in the sand and every evening a little trickle of water used to Bubble up, and in the morning, it would be filled up with lovely clear cold water. Where it came from in the hard, dry sand we used to wonder! After a while it began to disappear gradually but another one started about a quarter of a mile up the creek. My father used to take a Kerosen [sic] bucket in the evening and with our help we used to get enough to supply us all the next day if we were very careful. Scrubbing floors and cleaning was out of the question. And we had all wooden uncovered floors which became pretty grubby.
We all bathed in the same water, in a large round washtub, starting with the baby.
The boys used to go to Mt Allen, as the creek always had a little water in it, but very hard as there was a good deal of lime in the soil. They took the washing to Mt Allen also, but it used to make the clothes a dark half washed colour.
I can remember the first rain we had. We had just come home from school and were having a cup of tea & some bread and cockys joy (golden syrup). And quite suddenly it began to rain, a good heavy shower. We were all so excited we rushed out and stood in the shower. It was such a welcome sight, and you may be sure we were much in need of a good shower. We walked a mile to school every day and there was no scacisity [sic] of dust. However, that was the breaking of the drought.
My Father had 200 sheep left to start again. The sheep were dying so fast that they could not skin them and just had to let them lie there, until the carcase [sic] dried and the wool would peel off the dry skin. Con [Cornelius McTERNAN 1891-1976] and myself used to take a horse out. We both rode the one horse, and carried a chaff bag each, and fill the bags with the wool and tye [sic] them together and throw them across the horses back and bring the wool home. It was called dead wool and was sold much cheaper than shorn wool. Pa was going to give us 2 pence a lb. for all we collected, but by the time it was sold, that was all we had to live on, but we did not mind, as money was not much use to us in those days...
Hope this not too long ~ Therese
Therese JOHANSON
On 2019-10-07 15:52, Peter Johnston wrote:
Proposed Change: Gibbs, J.E. (I8089)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Link: http://monaropioneers.com/TNG/getperson.php? personID=I8089&tree=MP
Description: My first cousin Janice Elizabeth Jordan (nee Gibbs) I8089 died at Cowra NSW on 24 October 2018, and was buried in Cowra Lawn Cemetery on 29 October 2018.
Peter Johnston