MP260293 Winifred Flanagan - Brogan - Hurley
This article 'Found Dead' on Trove shines a light on how Winifred Flanagan Brogan had 14 children between 1871 and 1892 prior to James Brogans death 1 Sept 1897 and before she married John Hurley 27 Oct 1897, six weeks after James Brogan was found dead from drowning.
The report on the inquest solves the intrigue.
Trove Article Identifier
NSW BDM Marriage 8584/1897 John Hurley Winifred Brogan at Tenterfield NSW
NSW BDM Death 8216/1897 James Brogan
With regards Deb
Deborah J Freebairn
Good morning and happy new yeara minor correction to the entry for Francis John McDonald, listed as #46, third generation of the family of Alexander McDonald (1813-1900). Although Francis' individual entry shows his service number as 4608 (which is correct - I've checked the AWM records etc) when listed as #46, third generation, his service number is shown as 4609. A simple typo I'm sure, we all make them.Query. Under the entry for Alexander McDonald is a copy of his passenger record card for the British King. It shows his occupation as "NAILOR & SHEPHARD" (sic). This has been taken elsewhere as "Tailor & shepherd". Alexander came from Kinlochmoidart (see attached letter to his former landlord) which is, and was, a remote rural area at the head of Loch Moidart (Kinloch = head of the loch). While the occupation of shepherd is consistent with the rural nature of McDonald's origins, a combination of tailor and shepherd would be unusual. I think that at least some of the male tailors at this time in Scotland were those unable to perform harder outdoor labour. However, given how nails were made (see attached paper sent by a friend in Scotland) at the time, it is likely that at least some nails may have been made by hand locally for local use. I see also from the "Disposal of Immigrants" record that on arrival Alexander was hired by R. Campbell of Sydney ("Merchant" Campbell, of Campbell's Cove and Duntroon, etc) at a salary of 26 pounds plus rations. That was a standard wage at the time for a newly arrived shepherd (including 2 of my own great-great-grandfathers) but tailors were in short supply and could command higher wages. It is unlikely that Campbell, a canny Scot, would have wasted the talents of a tailor and sent him off to be a shepherd on the Monaro.I should explain that Alex McDonald's letter was examined as part of my recent university studies and while that has been completed and cannot be amended, any further use I might make of the letter can be amplified if I can identify him as a "nailor".Is there a contributor to the data base with whom I might check whether Alexander was actually a maker of nails before he left Scotland, rather than a tailor?Best wishes
Our records show the Service number for Francis John McDonald was 4608.
As to your questions about the occupation of Alexander McDonald, we show 2 images of shipping records for his immigration, one shows occupation as Nailor and Shepherd, the other shows Tailor and Shepherd and given he would have had a broad accent, misinterpretation of his statements would have been very possible. However, the notes we have in his record do specifically refer to his occupation after he arrived as being a Tailor.
I recommend you put your questions on our Facebook page to seek out any McDonald descendants and researchers.
On 2020-12-19 13:06, Anthony Boyle wrote:
I personally don't know but I do recommend you put your questions on our Facebook page and one or more of our followers can probably help you.
Ian, I believe Joffrey is the illegitimate son of Patricia Margaret Thornton (I179).
Ref Page 41 of “The Journey from Nimitybelle to Nimmitabel”; on the death of Mary Catherine Thornton the distribution of her children is mentioned but there is no mention of Joffre. Mary’s daughters were put in the care of her sister Margaret. It further states that “Margaret’s husband Patrick John Thornton, died prior to this in a horse accident, when their youngest daughter Patricia was a baby. Later Margaret would also raise Patricia’s son Geoff, and run a boarding house ………”
NSW Birth Index
THORNTON Patrick J 47116/1917 Father’s name(s) not stated Mother’s given name PATRICIA M COOMA
NSW Death Index
THORNTON Patrick Joffre 203376/1989 Father’s name(s) not stated Mother’s given name PATRICIA
THORNTON Patrick Joffre Funeral notice 13SEP1989 Funeral Illawarra Mercury 13SEP1989
THORNTON Patrick Joffre Death notice 11SEP1989 Death 71 late of Wollongong Goulburn Post 12SEP1989
THORNTON Patrick Joffre Death notice 11SEP1989 Death 71 late of Wollongong Illawarra Mercury 12SEP1989
Ida Isabel OWERS
Daughter of William (I38624) and Phoebe (I38625) Owers nee Sims.
Sister of Bertha (I101231).
THORNTON Ida Isabel Death notice 04SEP1972 Death formerly of North Wolongong Illawarra Mercury 05SEP1972
THORNTON Ida Isabel Death notice 04SEP1972 Death 51 late of North Wollongong Sydney Morning Herald 05SEP1972
THORNTON Ida Isabel Funeral notice 06SEP1972 Funeral
Illawarra Mercury 06SEP1972
NSW Death Index
THORNTON IDA ISABEL 5541/1972 WILLIAM PHOEBE SYDNEY
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW) Tuesday September 5, 1972 pg 30
THORNTON, Ida Isabel.-September 4, 1972, at hospital, of 46 Porter Street, North Wollongong, Beloved wife of Joffre Patrick Thornton and dear mother and Mother-in-law of Neil and Heather, Frank and Heather, loved ma of their children, dear sister of Bertha (Mrs Buckley), Ted, Phil, Bill and Horrie Owers, aged 51 years, See Wednesday’s “Herald” for funeral arrangements.
The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW) Wednesday September 6, 1972 pg 58
THORNTON. – The relatives and friends of Mr Joffre P. Thornton and family of 46 Porter Street, North Wollongong, are invited to attend the funeral of his beloved wife and their dear mother IDA ISABEL THORNTON, to leave St. Michael’s Pro Cathedral, Wollongong, today (Wednesday) after service commencing at 11 a.m. for the Lakeside Memorial Park, Dapto.
H PARSONS, WOLLONGONG 2 3062.
Proposed Change: Thornton, Edna Gertrude (I50693)
Tree: SE NSW Pioneers and Settlers
Description: The Canberra Times (ACT : 1926 - 1995) Tuesday 22 February 1994 pg 18.
BUCKLEY (Molly). Edna Gertrude. — Peacefully at WVH on 20 Feb 1994. aged 81. Beloved wife of Finian (dec). Loving mother and mother-in-law of Margaret and Neville, Nell, Dot and Kevin, Ian and Barbara, Kay (dec) and Pat, Jim and Dell, Lyn and Allan. Loved grandmother and great grandmother of their children .
Much loved sister of Kitty (dec), Madge, Jack, and Phyllis (dec).
BUCKLEY, Molly. — February 20. 1994. Loved mother of Margaret and Neville, grandmother of John, Owen, Craig, Judy and Bridget. Will be sadly missed.
Rest in Peace.
BUCKLEY. — Requiem Mass for the repose of the soul of Mrs (Molly) Edna Gertrude Buckley will be offered in St. Raphael's Catholic Church, Lowe St, Queanbeyan, on Wednesday 23 Feb 1994, commencing at 9:45am.
At the conclusion of the Mass the cortege will leave for the Queanbeyan Lawn Cemetery.
Dear Monaro Pioneers
Firstly may I congratulate you on the your website.
It’s organisation and comprehension is the very best I have seen. I wish there were more websites like it!
My interest in the O’Rourke family arises from my research into the descendants of Farquhar Mackenzie, Esq 1811-1874. While he did not himself settle on the Monaro, he was in the party of Snodgrass, Campbell, Dickson Hughes, Hutton, Murdock & White which drove 2,400 sheep across the Monaro to Victoria.
Farquhar Mackenzie’s Journal published in 1837 has been much quoted for his observations of the Monaro region and its people. A copy is at the Mitchell Library.
Lacking from your list of Pioneers is Capt John Murchison 1799-1882 who established ‘Taradale’ near Goldburn during the 1830s. Is that because he did stay not long? Sometime about 1837 he moved to Victoria with his son-in-law – Farquhar Mackenzie! The latter had met and married Martha Murchison 1829-1909 (eldest daughter of the fore-mentioned Captain Murchison) as a result of being invited to ‘stay on for a while’ and visit with the family.
I am attaching for your interest the Memoirs of Martha Murchison. Her early childhood is a fascinating read. However I do believe you may find her description of life on the Monaro exceptionally interesting. Personally I very much wish the memoir continued throughout her whole life.
Farquhar’s eldest son, Hector Roderick Mackenzie 1848-1920 married in 1876, Mary O’Rourke 1850-1918, the youngest daughter of Christopher Michael O’Rourke 1805-1861. The later was brother to Thomas, John, James, and David O’Rourke, noted early settlers of the Monaro. Hector and his younger brothers would ride in the Victorian Alps with the sons of Christopher O’Rourke.
If you would like I have much more information about all the above. Most of it is posted to the Ancestry tree entitled, FARQUHAR MACKENZIE AUSTRALIA. I look forward to hearing from you.